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[Dominik]

A nutsack hair is what's decided/fought over in most of our elections.

Landslides are the exception, not the norm. Local to presidential.

You're still pretty green so I'd imagine you're looking at the last decade or so with that comment.

2000 as we all know was close. So was 2004. Jimmy Carter in '76 was close. However the majority of presidential elections over the past 50 years have not been close.

1964 Lyndon Johnson. 486 votes. Landslide.
1972 Nixon. 520 votes. Landslide.
1980 Reagan. 489 votes. Landslide.
1984 Reagan. 525 votes. Landslide.
1988 Bush Snr. 426 votes. Landslide.
1992 Clinton. 370 votes. Decisive win.
1996 Clinton. 379 votes. Decisive win.
2008 Obama. 365 votes. Decisive win.

Swinging from B-Dawg's nuts I'd imagine you'd find a way to put a positive spin on anything he does but as an outsider I expected more and judging by how close this race is so do many Americans. If they were happy with the job he was doing then he'd be enjoying a healthier margin than he does right now.

[Lencho]

lol wut? you jumped down my throat when I said the majority of teachers I had sucked donkey dick. For shame Lencho. For shame.

I don't think so, brounselor. I think my issue was with your declaration that teaching is not a hard job, "I wish I had four months off!", etc.



Besides, it's widely known that you were tollin' HARD that day.


EDIT: Also, Farles Farnsworth specified "grade school". If you went 12 years without a decent teacher, I feel for you, bro.

Maybe that manly intellect was too much for those poor public educators to pierce?

[Farley1324]

I think Romney has the popular vote for what's been reported so far, actually

[Farley1324]

I don't think so, brounselor. I think my issue was with your declaration that teaching is not a hard job, "I wish I had four months off!", etc.



Besides, it's widely known that you were tollin' HARD that day.

That ^

[VoxExMachina]

Agreed. I don't think either party is under the illusion either, TBH.

The discussion is going to shift HARD into the fiscal cliff by Friday.

Which is Issue #1 on both party agendas following all of these shenanigans.

If the Republicans control the House, it will bring some balance to the discussion. I think it would be pretty rough if either party controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency.


Also interesting that it looks like we're on a run of 2-term presidents.

[mjw8204]

Also interesting that it looks like we're on a run of 2-term presidents.

Aside from Bush Sr. that's been the trend for the last few decades. I think Americans have to be strongly convinced to NOT re-elect a sitting president, and Mitt Romney just isn't perceived as a desirable enough alternative.

I also agree with Kvk that the Republican party would do well to distance itself from the nut jobs.

[kvk1]

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Our elections are so intricate and complicated you can fidget with the numbers to make almost any point you desire.

What you just listed there is the final product of a giant cake (presidential elections) saying "look at this!" while disregarding all the ingredients (senate/house races, branch composition, etc.) which make up the final product. The latter of which are more important in the long run and influence the presidential elections themselves. Not the other way around. In almost all of the elections you listed there the "nutsack hair" facet existed in some fashion or the other.

You seem to throw out nothing but inciting comments regarding me and/or the election. What I said wasn't putting a positive spin on anything. Spin is propaganda. Stating a fact based on hard data (re: problem of compromise) is not propaganda.

Or is spin whatever you consider to be contrary to the advantage of whoever you support?

Listen, I find all this fascinating/exciting. I like it. I'm passionate about it. I understand you have a cynical view of it, and somewhat rightly so, but chill with the ad-hominems. I don't swing from anybody's nuts. There is plenty to criticize O about and I never shied from stating them here publicly either.

[Lencho]

Our elections are so intricate and complicated you can fidget with the numbers to make almost any point you desire.

What you just listed there is the final product of a giant cake (presidential elections) saying "look at this!" while disregarding all the ingredients (senate/house races, branch composition, etc.) which make up the final product. The latter of which are more important in the long run and influence the presidential elections themselves. Not the other way around. In almost all of the elections you listed there the "nutsack hair" facet existed in some fashion or the other.

You seem to throw out nothing but inciting comments regarding me and/or the election. What I said wasn't putting a positive spin on anything. Spin is propaganda. Stating a fact based on hard data (re: problem of compromise) is not propaganda.

Or is spin whatever you consider to be contrary to the advantage of whoever you support?

Listen, I find all this fascinating/exciting. I like it. I'm passionate about it. I understand you have a cynical view of it, and somewhat rightly so, but chill with the ad-hominems. I don't swing from anybody's nuts. There is plenty to criticize O about and I never shied from stating them here publicly either.

Round 2!

[therorschach]

Speaking of politics, Halo 4 came out today. I've never played any of the Halo games.

[im2manly]

I don't think so, brounselor. I think my issue was with your declaration that teaching is not a hard job, "I wish I had four months off!", etc.



Besides, it's widely known that you were tollin' HARD that day.


EDIT: Also, Farles Farnsworth specified "grade school". If you went 12 years without a decent teacher, I feel for you, bro.

Maybe that manly intellect was too much for those poor public educators to pierce?

lol yea.

But I remember an interaction that went like:

Im2: Teachers suck and don't care about their students.

Lencho: You were probably stupid. And a dick.

Im2: Nah huh

Lencho: I am a teacher. I care bro.

Im2: Oh snap, my bad dawg.

Lencho: Its cool but I still think your a *******.

Im2: I wouldn't have it any other way.

lol srs I remember it going like that. Also, I can honestly say I may have had 1...maybe 2 teachers that were "decent". Pre school, middle school, high school, college, and law school. Buncha dicks ...actually very bitter about it. Damn unions (vote Christie 2016 (srs)).

[Farley1324]

I very clearly remember the "easy" and "wish I had 4 months off" aspect. I think there was something about being finished working by 3pm too

[Lencho]

Best headline of the night, IMO:



Jesse Jackson, Jr. Wins Reelection - From Mayo Clinic!

[VoxExMachina]

Aside from Bush Sr. that's been the trend for the last few decades. I think Americans have to be strongly convinced to NOT re-elect a sitting president, and Mitt Romney just isn't perceived as a desirable enough alternative.

I also agree with Kvk that the Republican party would do well to distance itself from the nut jobs.

The Democrats certainly have an "easier" message / platform to sell right now.

1. "Tax the Rich": easy to sell to a middle class that thinks they deserve more + "the rich" don't have many votes.
2. Republicans have to stick with "bible belt" messages to secure their base, but that doesn't necessarily sell well to a largely atheist younger generation.
3. Democrats have successfully pitched the idea that they're the party for minorities, which is an advantage with current demographic trends.
4. The Uber-Conservative nut jobs damaged the Republicans.
5. Dems also get the Ghey/Abortion/Environmentalist/etc. groups.

Cliffs: The Democrats have successfully sold the idea that they represent everyone except those who are rich, religious, or like guns. The Republicans need to expand their base, even it it means getting away from the most conservative ideals. (Who else would anyone on the far right vote for anyway?)

[Dominik]

Our elections are so intricate and complicated you can fidget with the numbers to make almost any point you desire.

What you just listed there is the final product of a giant cake (presidential elections) saying "look at this!" while disregarding all the ingredients (senate/house races, branch composition, etc.) which make up the final product. The latter of which are more important in the long run and influence the presidential elections themselves. Not the other way around. In almost all of the elections you listed there the "nutsack hair" facet existed in some fashion or the other.

You seem to throw out nothing but inciting comments regarding me and/or the election. What I said wasn't putting a positive spin on anything. Spin is propaganda. Stating a fact based on hard data (re: problem of compromise) is not propaganda.

Or is spin whatever you consider to be contrary to the advantage of whoever you support?

Listen, I find all this fascinating/exciting. I like it. I'm passionate about it. I understand you have a cynical view of it, and somewhat rightly so, but chill with the ad-hominems. I don't swing from anybody's nuts. There is plenty to criticize O about and I never shied from stating them here publicly either.

Don't take it too seriously and if I offended you then I apologize.

If you were a political reporter, which you're not, then what you post here obviously wouldn't be seen as balanced reporting. You don't hide who you support and there's nothing wrong with that.

I am cynical, and I'm not in a club of one there, however I stand by my point that this race is clearly closer than the majority of elections over the past 50 years. The numbers don't lie.

[im2manly]

I very clearly remember the "easy" and "wish I had 4 months off" aspect. I think there was something about being finished working by 3pm too

well that is uncontested. I was talking about something else.

[Farley1324]

The Democrats certainly have an "easier" message / platform to sell right now.

1. "Tax the Rich": easy to sell to a middle class that thinks they deserve more + "the rich" don't have many votes.
2. Republicans have to stick with "bible belt" messages to secure their base, but that doesn't necessarily sell well to a largely atheist younger generation.
3. Democrats have successfully pitched the idea that they're the party for minorities, which is an advantage with current demographic trends.
4. The Uber-Conservative nut jobs damaged the Republicans.
5. Dems also get the Ghey/Abortion/Environmentalist/etc. groups.

Cliffs: The Democrats have successfully sold the idea that they represent everyone except those who are rich, religious, or like guns. The Republicans need to expand their base, even it it means getting away from the most conservative ideals. (Who else would anyone on the far right vote for anyway?)

And other than a relatively small number of democrats who go full retard against guns (and are from areas like San Fran, Chitcago, or NYC where they can get away with it) the democrats haven't done anything nationally to piss off the gun owners. Most of them realize that gun control is political suicide (at the national level), so they leave it alone.

[Farley1324]

Best headline of the night, IMO:



Jesse Jackson, Jr. Wins Reelection - From Mayo Clinic!

Chicago is so fukking corrupt it is beyond ridiculous.

I cannot believe that nothing has yet surfaced with Obama being involved in the asshattery

[kvk1]

Don't take it too seriously and if I offended you then I apologize.

I've had a long day.

Sorry if I pulled an overly girly "don't hurt my emotions" card there.

If you were a political reporter, which you're not, then what you post here obviously wouldn't be seen as balanced reporting. You don't hide who you support and there's nothing wrong with that.

Definitely not.

I don't claim to be walking this ridiculous tightrope of fairness and balance. Which I find inane. Evaluate your views, find candidate (of whatever party) most similar with those views, pick a side, fight for it.

"Dante's Inferno" quote: there is a special place reserved in hell for those who do nothing in a time of moral crisis.

I'd like to apply the quote to these people so afraid of picking a political position that they end up fighting for nothing; in order to play the safe-bet of not hurting anyone or attracting any self-criticism.

I am cynical, and I'm not in a club of one there, however I stand by my point that this is clearly closer than the majority of elections over the past 50 years. The numbers don't lie.

Yes, based on top-level presidential election data. Which is absolutely fair enough.

[Lencho]

lol yea.

But I remember an interaction that went like:

Im2: Teachers suck and don't care about their students.

Lencho: You were probably stupid. And a dick.

Im2: Nah huh

Lencho: I am a teacher. I care bro.

Im2: Oh snap, my bad dawg.

Lencho: Its cool but I still think your a *******.

Im2: I wouldn't have it any other way.

lol srs I remember it going like that. Also, I can honestly say I may have had 1...maybe 2 teachers that were "decent". Pre school, middle school, high school, college, and law school. Buncha dicks ...actually very bitter about it. Damn unions (vote Christie 2016 (srs)).

lol, here's the convo:


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post841401731


I read along throughout the day, but never even commented on any of your inanity

[mjw8204]

2. Republicans have to stick with "bible belt" messages to secure their base

I believe I've said it before in here, but this is an unfortunate burden on the Republican party. For a country that was founded on the idea of religious freedom and tolerance, there are sure a lot of people that want to use government as an instrument to impose their religious will on the country.

[kvk1]

People are still in line to vote all over the state. It's almost midnight. Crazy.

[Lencho]

Chicago is so fukking corrupt it is beyond ridiculous.

I cannot believe that nothing has yet surfaced with Obama being involved in the asshattery

Tricky Ba... no, wait.


Slick Bar... nope.



Hmmmm...



Oily Obama?

[im2manly]

I've had a long day.

Sorry if I pulled an overly girly "don't hurt my emotions" card there.



Definitely not.

I don't claim to be walking this ridiculous tightrope of fairness and balance. Which I find inane. Evaluate your views, find candidate (of whatever party) most similar with those views, pick a side, fight for it.

"Dante's Inferno" quote: there is a special place reserved in hell for those who do nothing in a time of moral crisis.

I'd like to apply the quote to these people so afraid of picking a political position that they end up fighting for nothing; in order to play the safe-bet of not hurting anyone or attracting any self-criticism.



Yes, based on top-level presidential election data. Which is absolutely fair enough.

you could be the next Bill Mahr, Nate Silver, Chrissy Hizayes or Krugman even (whatever political or economic pundit you so desire). You should have done poli sci or econ.

[therorschach]

It's almost midnight.

It's only 11:13pm you over-rounding prostitute.

[kvk1]

It's official.

Obama re-elected.

[Dominik]

I've had a long day.

Sorry if I pulled an overly girly "don't hurt my emotions" card there.

Understandable. I've had a sleep since then and you haven't.

Now get some sleep.

[VoxExMachina]

I believe I've said it before in here, but this is an unfortunate burden on the Republican party. For a country that was founded on the idea of religious freedom and tolerance, there are sure a lot of people that want to use government as an instrument to impose their religious will on the country.

I don't think that any recent Christian / Republican president has really moved the needle with regard to "imposing religious will" on anyone. It's just a platform.

Just like no Democratic president has really done anything to push the agenda of Labor Unions.

It's all just posturing to get certain groups in your back pocket before you go try to pitch to moderates.

[im2manly]

lol, here's the convo:


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post841401731


I read along throughout the day, but never even commented on any of your inanity

lmao yea TAAB got so upset. But I really thought it was a different convo, I guess it was wishful thinking .

[Lencho]

you could be the next Bill Mahr, Nate Silver, Chrissy Hizayes or Krugman even (whatever political or economic pundit you so desire). You should have done poli sci or econ.

F*ck Cenk Uygur, kvk1 is the true Young Turk.

[therorschach]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ictory-speech/