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    Originally Posted by davisj3537 View Post
    Nice job on those squats man. 500 carbs is a great way to destroy the gym. haha.
    Depth all right?
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    2/17: Back Cycle 3 Week 1

    Barbell rows

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    175x10
    175x10
    175x10 (PR)

    Chins

    BWx12
    BWx12
    BWx12
    BWx10 (will 100% get 4x12 next time)

    Neutral grip pulldowns

    145x10
    145x10
    145x10
    145x10

    Unilateral hammer strength rows

    3 pps+10x10
    3 pps+10x10
    3 pps+10x10

    Kai Greene incline curls

    20x10
    20x10
    20x9 (the pump is insane)

    Hammer curls

    30x10
    30x10
    30x10

    Cable pullovers/hyperextension

    110x12/BWx10
    110x12/BWx10
    110x12/BWx10 (first time doing these. Probably a better bet than SLDLs I think given the fact my grip is dead at the end of a sesh. Insane lower back pump, never felt anything like this before)
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    Originally Posted by ardee2124 View Post
    Depth all right?
    Nice job on the squats man. Your first and second reps in my opinion were pretty good. If we're going by strict powerlifting standards it's probably a bit iffy, your third rep I think might have been an half an inch to an inch high, I'd still give you that though. Your fourth rep was probably 2 inches high so I don't know about that one.
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    ^Nailed it
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    Originally Posted by davisj3537 View Post
    ^Nailed it
    Eh, well, should I be expecting these RPE 10 sets to be perfect though? I think I hit decent depth on a regular basis when I'm not eeking out a rep from within my soul.
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    2/18: Bench Cycle 3 Week 1

    Bench

    (warmup)

    150x5
    175x5
    195x7


    Incline dumbbell press

    80x7
    80x6
    80x5 (just that kind of crappy day)

    Bent over cable flies

    60x10
    60x10
    60x10 (my lower right pec was starting to bother me a bit, called it on chest exercises)

    Skullcrushers

    70x10
    70x10
    70x10

    Cable pushdowns

    100x12
    100x12
    100x12
    100x12

    Cambered bar overhead cable extensions

    90x10
    90x10
    90x10

    Facepulls

    80x15
    80x15
    80x15
    80x15

    Bad day overall, no PRs on either bench or incline. Could possibly be because this is the 4th day in a row in the gym and bench is usually first: I don't know. My boy Dan3317 recommended just ditching AMRAP for bench and doing the required reps. I am seriously considering that. Progression is still being driven by the program after all even if you're not pushing the extra sets. If I'm not happy with the 3s and 1s days I will probably do that.

    Because of the switchup with bench and OHP, I'll be doing squats on Saturday after taking the day off tomorrow (much needed), then starting the new "week" on Sunday with bench again and going back to normal.
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    Originally Posted by ardee2124 View Post
    Eh, well, should I be expecting these RPE 10 sets to be perfect though? I think I hit decent depth on a regular basis when I'm not eeking out a rep from within my soul.
    It happens man, I don't think I would sweat 1 slightly above parallel rep if you don't have powerlifting goals in mind
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    16th session in 20 days.

    2/19: Squat Cycle 3 Week 1

    Squats

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    190x5
    225x5
    250x5
    (just decided to hit the required reps and give myself a break)

    RDLs

    190x10
    190x10
    190x10

    Realized the gym was closing early today so that was all I could do. It's fine, I needed rest. Tomorrow off too then Cycle 3 Week 2 starts on Sunday in the correct order.
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    It happens man, I don't think I would sweat 1 slightly above parallel rep if you don't have powerlifting goals in mind
    This. I wouldn't sweat all my reps an inch high if I didn't care about competing. An inch is nothing...
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    2/22: Bench Cycle 3 Week 2

    Bench press

    (warmup)

    160x3
    185x3
    210x4
    (yeah that's it, just going to hit the required reps from now on)

    Incline dumbbell press

    80x8
    80x8
    80x8 (HELL YEAH)

    55x12

    Bent-over cable flies

    50x15
    50x15
    60x12
    60x12 (whatta pump)

    Hammer strength incline press

    1 pps+30 x10
    1 pps+30 x9
    1 pps+30 x10

    Skullcrushers

    75x10
    75x10
    75x10

    Cambered bar pushdowns

    100x12
    100x12
    100x12
    100x20

    Facepulls

    70x10
    70x10
    70x10 (went light, trap was tight)
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    2/23: Back Cycle 3 Week 2

    Bent-over rows

    180x10
    180x10
    180x10 (time to move to 8 next time I think. Hopefully I can make it to 205 at least before I need to lower them again)

    Chins

    BWx12
    BWx12
    BWx10
    BWx10 (just didn't feel that strong today)

    Neutral grip pulldowns

    150x10
    150x9
    150x8
    120x17 (ditto)

    Hammer strength unilateral rows

    3 pps+20 x8
    3 pps+10 x8
    3 pps+10 x8
    3 pps+10 x8 (gonna keep doing 4 sets on these, need the horizontal rowing volume)

    Cable pullovers/hyperextensions

    100x14/BWx12
    100x14/BWx10
    100x14/BWx10

    Incline curls

    25x10
    25x10
    25x10

    Didn't feel entirely all that strong on some of the back movements, but all right sesh.
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    2/24: OHP Cycle 3 Week 2

    Strict OHP

    (warmup)

    90x3
    105x3
    120x5
    (match PR)

    Flat dumbbell press

    90x3 (I don't know what happened, lost control of one dumbbell, had to bail out of the set, really ruined the tone of my next two sets, felt weak)
    90x5
    90x5

    Dumbbell OHP

    65x5
    65x5
    65x5 (gonna work up to 3x8)

    Lateral raises

    25x15
    25x15
    25x15
    25x15

    Cambered bar pushdowns

    100x15
    100x15
    110x15
    110x15

    Overhead cable extensions

    80x10
    90x10
    100x9

    Facepulls

    80x15
    80x15

    Good sesh other than the aborted DB bench. Oh well. Tomorrow off, squat on Friday. I fly to DC for spring break on Saturday until next Thursday, hopefully I'll have access to a serviceable gym there, I'm not ready to deload yet.

    I have about 2.5 months left for this semester, I think repping 100s on flat and 75s on DB OHP are reasonable goals and should result in plentiful upper body gains that will make other brahs jelly.
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    2/26: Squats Cycle 3 Week 2

    Squats

    (warmup)

    205x3
    225x3
    265x4
    (failed 5th )

    Beltless paused squats

    215x5
    215x5
    215x5

    RDLs

    195x10
    195x10 (started using mixed grip, screw it)
    195x10

    Leg extensions

    125x10
    125x10
    125x10

    Leg curls

    110x10
    110x10
    110x10

    DC tomorrow. Might try and get 2-3 sessions in between Saturday-Wednesday. Could just decide to rest too. We shall see.
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    great job on the squats man, you went heavier than last time
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    great job on the squats man, you went heavier than last time
    Eh, yeah, this is not exactly going as planned though. Maybe not enough rest, I'm not sure. Maybe I should switch back to regular 5/3/1 with 4 5/3/1 days and an optional fifth lighter day for ADHD with at least 2 off days a week?
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    Brahs, I was planning to go in today, but I think a deload is honestly best. It's been over a full three months. Especially after the week I've had with exams and then capped off with an awful six hour flight to get here. I slept ten hours last night and then took another three hour nap this afternoon and I'm STILL tired.

    I might do a fun arm workout on Monday or Tuesday but otherwise I'll hit cycle 3 week 3 bench starting Thursday evening, giving me a full five days off.
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    Looking good in here man. 2 quick 531 tips I could give:
    If you don't want to do the AMRAP and just hit the required reps, I'd really recommend doing the required reps for multiple sets. I've heard Wendler recommend 5x5, 5x3, 5x1 for the top sets on each day in some cases. I find straight sets to be more beneficial ultimately as you can get in a whole lot more volume without frying yourself.
    If that's too much, the other thing (which I did when doing 531 with much success) is to do your top set and then just nail a couple heavy singles after. Example: let's say bench 1 RM is 335. Your top set is 275x3, AMRAP optional. You do that and go on to hit 295x1 and 310x1. I found this is especially useful on squat and bench. Good luck mane
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Looking good in here man. 2 quick 531 tips I could give:
    If you don't want to do the AMRAP and just hit the required reps, I'd really recommend doing the required reps for multiple sets. I've heard Wendler recommend 5x5, 5x3, 5x1 for the top sets on each day in some cases. I find straight sets to be more beneficial ultimately as you can get in a whole lot more volume without frying yourself.
    If that's too much, the other thing (which I did when doing 531 with much success) is to do your top set and then just nail a couple heavy singles after. Example: let's say bench 1 RM is 335. Your top set is 275x3, AMRAP optional. You do that and go on to hit 295x1 and 310x1. I found this is especially useful on squat and bench. Good luck mane
    Thanks man, that is actually a good idea.

    I am happy with AMRAP for OHP and squat, it just doesn't seem to work as well with bench, at least for me.

    I think 5 top sets might be a bit much but I'll start with 3 to see how it goes.

    Appreciate you following on man.
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    3/3: Bench Cycle 3 Week 3

    Bench press

    (warmup)

    175x5
    195x3
    220x1
    (more below)

    Incline dumbbell press

    85x6
    85x5
    85x5

    Incline cable flies

    50x10
    50x10
    50x10
    50x10

    Hammer strength incline press

    1 pps+35 x10
    1 pps+35 x8
    1 pps+35 x8

    Incline skullcrushers

    80x8
    80x8
    80x6

    Facepulls

    80x15
    80x12
    80x12

    I probably should have done a light full body today, don't think my joints were ready for all the heavy weight yet, but it's fine. Still progressing on everything, except....

    Bench. I am deciding whether to take a break from 5/3/1 on bench. I will still do it for OHP and squat because it's working, but for bench I think I need more volume as of now. If you're struggling with a lift, the answer is not to do less and less of it, it should be to do more and practise the movement.

    I am thinking something along the lines of 5x5 at 80% one day, 4x4 at 85 the second and 3x3 at 90. That would put me at roughly 190 5x5, 200 4x4 and 210 3x3. I have a feeling this will work better than 5/3/1, at least for now. The 220 single was easy enough today, but I'm a bodybuilder, and this present 5/3/1 setup isn't going to do much in the way of hypertrophy.

    If I did that, the setup would be:

    Day 1: Bench (5x5, 4x4, 3x3 rotation), chest, tris
    Day 2: Back
    Day 3: OHP 5/3/1, db bench, delts, tris
    Day 4: Squat 5/3/1, legs, bis

    I would estimate trying to run at least 3 cycles of this before thinking about switching, and if it works well, hell, I'll just stick with it.

    Let me know what you guys think.
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    3/4: Back Cycle 3 Week 3

    Barbell rows

    (warmup)

    185x9
    185x9
    185x9 (PR)

    Hammer grip chinups

    BWx12
    BWx12
    BWx12
    BWx10

    Neutral grip pulldowns

    155x8
    155x8
    155x8
    120x15

    Hammer strength row

    3 pps+10 x10
    3 pps+10 x10
    3 pps+10 x10
    2 pps x20

    Cable pullover/hyperextensions

    110x10/BWx10
    110x10/BWx10
    110x10/BWx10

    Incline curls

    25x10
    25x10
    25x10

    Hammer curl

    35x10
    35x10

    Hanging leg raises

    BWx5 (toes to bar)
    BWx4 (nope)

    Decline situps

    BWx20
    BWx15

    Great session. Got a back massage earlier in the day, my entire lat-trap-shoulder complex felt like a smoothly oiled machine.

    I am getting serious about abs. Next time I cut I want to have a reason to do it. The crappy part is I am usually dead after back/leg seshes, but can't do abs on bench/ohp days because I need them for rows/squats/deads. Oh well, I will make it work. Hanging leg raises are out of the question now, so I am going to focus on decline situps, Roman chair leg raises, cable crunches and regular crunches. Just keep things simple.
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    3/3: Bench Cycle 3 Week 3

    Bench press

    (warmup)

    175x5
    195x3
    220x1
    (more below)

    Incline dumbbell press

    85x6
    85x5
    85x5

    Incline cable flies

    50x10
    50x10
    50x10
    50x10

    Hammer strength incline press

    1 pps+35 x10
    1 pps+35 x8
    1 pps+35 x8

    Incline skullcrushers

    80x8
    80x8
    80x6

    Facepulls

    80x15
    80x12
    80x12

    I probably should have done a light full body today, don't think my joints were ready for all the heavy weight yet, but it's fine. Still progressing on everything, except....

    Bench. I am deciding whether to take a break from 5/3/1 on bench. I will still do it for OHP and squat because it's working, but for bench I think I need more volume as of now. If you're struggling with a lift, the answer is not to do less and less of it, it should be to do more and practise the movement.

    I am thinking something along the lines of 5x5 at 80% one day, 4x4 at 85 the second and 3x3 at 90. That would put me at roughly 190 5x5, 200 4x4 and 210 3x3. I have a feeling this will work better than 5/3/1, at least for now. The 220 single was easy enough today, but I'm a bodybuilder, and this present 5/3/1 setup isn't going to do much in the way of hypertrophy.

    If I did that, the setup would be:

    Day 1: Bench (5x5, 4x4, 3x3 rotation), chest, tris
    Day 2: Back
    Day 3: OHP 5/3/1, db bench, delts, tris
    Day 4: Squat 5/3/1, legs, bis

    I would estimate trying to run at least 3 cycles of this before thinking about switching, and if it works well, hell, I'll just stick with it.

    Let me know what you guys think.
    Honestly I love 5x5 with bench, I am in the same boat as you I feel like the extra volume is just really good for me. I've been doing it for the past 5 weeks and have been maintaining pretty well on my bench during my cut. I even gained a little bit. It is pretty tough but IMO well worth it in the end.
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    3/6: OHP Cycle 3 Week 3

    Chest and tris were still kinda sore from Thursday. Taking all that time off makes the DOMs pretty bad.

    Strict OHP

    (warmup)

    95x5
    110x3
    125x5
    (BIG PR. 5th rep was a major grinder, took 15 seconds)

    Flat dumbbell press

    90x6
    90x4
    90x4 (like I said, was kinda sore still. Gonna give the 90s one more try and see if I can add reps, otherwise gonna go back to 85s and try and hit 3x10).

    Dumbbell OHP

    65x5
    65x6
    65x5

    Lateral raises

    25x16
    25x16
    25x16
    25x16

    Cambered bar pushdowns

    100x20
    100x20
    120x20

    Facepulls

    70x15
    70x15
    70x15

    Really happy with OHP.
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    15 second rep. Nice grind dude. I can't even imagine a rep that long. haha
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    Your 5x5, 4x4 and 3x3 idea is literally exactly what I did after 5/3/1 for my lifts. And actually, I also decided on 80, 85 and 90%. That turned out to be a little too much in the beginning. If that turns out to be the case for you, you could try 78, 82, and 87%. Difference seems marginal but was just enough for me to start really hammering the reps. When doing this, I also made the final set a (very) optional AMRAP, which was fun especially on the pressing.
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    Originally Posted by KrazyEyezKillah View Post
    Your 5x5, 4x4 and 3x3 idea is literally exactly what I did after 5/3/1 for my lifts. And actually, I also decided on 80, 85 and 90%. That turned out to be a little too much in the beginning. If that turns out to be the case for you, you could try 78, 82, and 87%. Difference seems marginal but was just enough for me to start really hammering the reps. When doing this, I also made the final set a (very) optional AMRAP, which was fun especially on the pressing.
    Good luck mane.
    That is actually where I got the idea from haha. I will start with those numbers and see how it feels. 78-82-87 sounds like a good idea, I will switch if it is too much.

    Might have to take another day or two off brahs. Had a bad sore throat all weekend, now it's progressing to a cold/fever. Don't wanna risk anything.

    In which case I am in two minds about what to do when I do get in. If I'm recovering from a virus I don't know if I want to get under a 280 squat right away. Just redo the cycle?
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    I'm terrible at sticking to cycles in this kind of situation. I'd do whatever you felt was "right" to start the next cycle when you're ready. If that's repeating a week of the old cycle or just doing a "feeler" week...it's whatever.
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    Originally Posted by davisj3537 View Post
    I'm terrible at sticking to cycles in this kind of situation. I'd do whatever you felt was "right" to start the next cycle when you're ready. If that's repeating a week of the old cycle or just doing a "feeler" week...it's whatever.
    Probably going to move on with everything else to a new cycle but redo the squat cycle. It wasn't the greatest anyway, no PRs were set, so it's ripe with opportunity.

    Feeling a little better now, just crushing water and juice and taking ibuprofen. Thankfully my professors were nice enough to give me extensions on all the assignments so I'm just eating, drinking and Netflixing for today.
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    Edit: was gonna go in today but my body was just not co-operating. Fever and infection seem to be gone but everything felt like lead. Decided to err on the side of caution and take it day by day. Soon...
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    3/13: Bench

    Bench

    (warmup)

    185x5
    185x5
    185x5
    185x5
    185x5

    Incline dumbbell press

    75x8
    75x7
    75x3 (misgrooved, lost control, eff it)

    Cable flies

    50x10
    50x10
    50x8

    Skullcrushers

    75x10
    75x10
    75x10

    Facepulls

    80x10
    80x10
    80x10

    First sesh back, took it easy.
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    3/15: Back

    Barbell rows

    185x10
    185x10
    185x10 (finally)

    Hammer grip chins

    BWx12
    BWx10
    BWx10
    BWx10 (realized it's hard to progress on chins when I'm overloading my back more by progressing on barbell rows first)

    T-Bar rows (PWO)

    75x10
    100x10
    125x8
    150x5 (was tired by this point. Probably have 180+ for reps fresh)

    Neutral grip pulldowns

    160x8
    140x10
    140x10

    Unilateral hammer strength rows

    2 pps x22
    2 pps + 25 x15
    2 pps + 35 x15

    Cable pullovers

    110x10
    110x10
    110x8

    That was fun. Always love training back more than anything. Noticing some real changes in my back, all the rowing has helped my upper back/traps fill in to match the lats.

    Unfortunately back is the only thing I am happy with right now. After some thought I'm going to be training with geneswest again for some time. His program for me is high frequency on squat and bench, both of which I need to progress on. So, back to basics for now. That starts on Friday, so I'm just doing some fluff stuff until then to get myself back into the swing of things.
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