Clean Eating is a SCAM!

[JValjean724]

^^^THIS^^^^

The problem with cleantards is they get so defensive of their way being the "RIGHT" or "ONLY" way to eat to acheive a bodybuilding or even a body recomp goal. Glad to hear you occasionally eat a poptart brah.

I think that's the one thing we all agree on, that poptarts are delicious

[chenko]

Correct it's all subjective. Say you had already gotten plenty of vitamin C for the day.

You would be at risk of vitamin C overdose eating the broccoli.
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Stopped reading after this nonsense ......

[Holyspokes]

I think that's the one thing we all agree on, that poptarts are delicious

I disagree, I don't really enjoy poptarts all that much. Continue debate/flame war please.

[RandyJH]

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." - Albert Einstein

Really diggin that quote, thanks for that man!

[seanb1979]

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Stopped reading after this nonsense ......

Broccoli claims thousands of victims each year. The news is swept under the rugs by compromised media outlets who are 'gotten to' by the WWABG (World Wide Association of Broccoli Growers.) If you oppose these guys, prepare to disappear, man.

[JValjean724]

I disagree, I don't really enjoy poptarts all that much. Continue debate/flame war please.

sh** just got real

Really diggin that quote, thanks for that man!

No problem! Einstein has the best quotes for everything, even outside of physics

[SteelerDan]

Love that quote!

"obsession" is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.

[hooked4life]

Love that quote!

sure - but it's also used all the time to avoid talking about substance.

[RandyJH]

sure - but it's also used all the time to avoid talking about substance.

Agreed, it acts as a way to ignore logic, science, and general ability to reason.

Basically if you can't intelligently discuss a topic, or logically defend your position, you might as well throw out a catchy saying or some silly analogy...

[RandyJH]

Oh, and since I want to get in on the analogies...

Trying to eat clean is about as useless as a left hand in a circle jerk!

[hooked4life]

Oh, and since I want to get in on the analogies...

Trying to eat clean is about as useless as a left hand in a circle jerk!

Yeah - proof by analogy is SO prevalent in BBing. Sadly analogies really shouldn't be used as proof because they don't do so.

[chenko]

Broccoli claims thousands of victims each year. The news is swept under the rugs by compromised media outlets who are 'gotten to' by the WWABG (World Wide Association of Broccoli Growers.) If you oppose these guys, prepare to disappear, man.

I better cut back on the broccoli in favour of cheetos .....as i have been told its healthier

I would like to see some science on someone overdosing on Vit C from eating too many Vit C rich foods.....broccoli has so many other nutrients as well

Vit C can be supplemented to high levels without any problems ........

[Mr.Cooper69]

I agree that eating clean is a scam for most people's purposes. It really depends on how you look at food. I would say the majority of people (99%) look at food as something to be enjoyed. As for myself and a few others, performance in the gym has the ability to make or break my mood for the day. Sure, call it obsession, but its something I am passionate about...pushing myself to the limits, seeing improvement in my lifts and physique...it's very addicting. For me, I can't help but to view food as fuel. I train 5 days a week for 2-3 hours a day, and I need my "machine" to be functioning at max capacity. Getting adequate protein and healthy fats are key; I also take in a ton of healthy complex carbs. Keep in mind that this is only my attitude for bulking, as I don't give two ****s about gaining extra fat at the moment. On a cut, I actually take the opposite approach; I care less about how well my body functions at the gym, so I loosen up and just focus on hitting my protein/calorie requirements for the day.

Edit: You also cannot overdose on a water-soluble vitamin such as vitamin C. You would literally burst from consumption of food (even liquids...even compressed tablets/multivitamins!) before overdosing on vitamin C.

[JValjean724]

I better cut back on the broccoli in favour of cheetos .....as i have been told its healthier

I would like to see some science on someone overdosing on Vit C from eating too many Vit C rich foods.....broccoli has so many other nutrients as well

Vit C can be supplemented to high levels without any problems ........

I was using it as an example to prove a point.

Its not common but

Although daily ingestion of high-dose vitamin C is generally regarded as largely innocuous, fatal nephrotoxicity can occur in some rare circumstances. We report a case where the patient, who chose to forgo any advanced conventional medical intervention (dialysis and mechanical ventilation), had failed to disclose his use of high-dose vitamin C and subsequently died. Intra-renal oxalate crystal deposition was demonstrated at autopsy. Directed enquiry with the family then revealed his high-dose vitamin C usage. Even though fully-informed discussion was limited by incomplete prospective disclosure, it remains the prerogative of any competent patient to decline any treatment, including those that may be considered life-saving.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18714631


or you could google it

[MattyH7688]

Going back to my first log post in my old training journal (3/15/09) I benched 175x4

As of a few weeks ago, I hit 275x3. So in about 1.5 years I added 100lbs onto my bench press, I think that's pretty good right? I've also gained probably about 20lbs as well, with only maybe 1 or 2% increase in bf. There have been multiple cut/bulk/recomp cycles along the way.

People like to overestimate how "special" they are.

why yes they do

[RandyJH]

why yes they do

If this happens to be a stab at me, your stretching for it man...

[hooked4life]

If this happens to be a stab at me, your stretching for it man...

Is it narcissistic for me to have thought it was a stab at me?

[alan aragon]

Matty seems to have developed a habit of stabbing.

[Dr. Horse]

If this happens to be a stab at me, your stretching for it man...

Is it narcissistic for me to have thought it was a stab at me?

Hey now, hold your horses! He's clearly referencing me!

[Flyin Ryan]

Matty seems to have developed a habit of stabbing.

We could call him Captain Stabbin.

inb4"heydudethatsaporno"

[hooked4life]

Hey now, hold your horses! He's clearly referencing me!

He who would pun would pick a pocket!

[alan aragon]

We could call him Captain Stabbin.

inb4"heydudethatsaporno"

Well, it is all about proper care of the backside.

[DanTheManB]

Well, it is all about proper care of the backside.

I'm not reading the whole thread. And I most likely know where you stand Alan. But so I don't assume, what is your true stance on this subject?

[alan aragon]

I'm not reading the whole thread. And I most likely know where you stand Alan. But so I don't assume, what is your true stance on this subject?

Which subject - backside stabbin' or clean eating?

[vrundmc]

Which subject - backside stabbin' or clean eating?

I would like to hear about clean eating.

[hrg217]

I think they also like to overestimate how special others are, such as jealously saying how certain people can eat "whatever they want" and still have a great physique. They blind themselves to the fact that they could be doing the same thing and be enjoying themselves a whole lot more.

This is definitly something I am guilty of. Im in college and see all the guys round me pounding junk food and alcohol and many dont work out and are in fine shape, and many do work out and are in great shape. I however remained afraid to eat unclean and think of myself as just not a "lucky" one that can eat whatever.

[alan aragon]

Let me begin by challenging anyone to hit their macros on burgers, fries, shakes, & soft drinks. It won't happen. Hitting your macros is almost a self-regulating "diet cleaner". Getting some variety across the food groups helps, especially if you plan on getting enough fiber to crap with any comfortable level of regularity. I also think that making a conscious effort (not a neurotic one) to have a variety of foods hedges your bets in the direction of long-term health. In practice, roughly 10-15% of your total calories (daily or weekly - your choice) coming from whatever you damn well want does not significantly hamper progress, and in many cases actually helps. I'll write a long-winded article about it for WBB soon. Bless those guys for their patience in waiting for articles from me.

[MikeK46]

Agreed, it acts as a way to ignore logic, science, and general ability to reason.

Basically if you can't intelligently discuss a topic, or logically defend your position, you might as well throw out a catchy saying or some silly analogy...

This topic has been beaten to death countless times and sometimes its more satisfying to throw out a catchy saying or silly analogy than waste one's breath.

[hooked4life]

Let me begin by challenging anyone to hit their macros on burgers, fries, shakes, & soft drinks. It won't happen. Hitting your macros is almost a self-regulating "diet cleaner", especially if you plan on getting enough fiber to crap with any comfortable level of regularity. I also think that making a conscious effort (not a neurotic one) to have a variety of foods hedges your bets in the direction of long-term health. In practice, 10-15% of your total calories (daily or weekly - your choice) coming from whatever you damn well want does not significantly hamper progress, and in many cases actually helps. I'll write a long-winded article about it for WBB soon (bless those guys for their patience in waiting for articles from me).

Exactly - hitting good macros carries a lot of diet implications with it.

[DanTheManB]

Let me begin by challenging anyone to hit their macros on burgers, fries, shakes, & soft drinks. It won't happen. Hitting your macros is almost a self-regulating "diet cleaner". Getting some variety across the food groups helps, especially if you plan on getting enough fiber to crap with any comfortable level of regularity. I also think that making a conscious effort (not a neurotic one) to have a variety of foods hedges your bets in the direction of long-term health. In practice, roughly 10-15% of your total calories (daily or weekly - your choice) coming from whatever you damn well want does not significantly hamper progress, and in many cases actually helps. I'll write a long-winded article about it for WBB soon. Bless those guys for their patience in waiting for articles from me.

figured i'd like your view on the topic, thanks

This topic has been beaten to death countless times and sometimes its more satisfying to throw out a catchy saying or silly analogy than waste one's breath.

whatever