Take it easy coach. Hope it's nothing serious.
Savior, are you AMRAPing DL the day after squatting? Either way good luck. I'll post my attempt later today.
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02-19-2022, 06:09 AM #361
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02-19-2022, 07:15 AM #362
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02-19-2022, 09:36 AM #363
Week 1 bench -TM 205
145 x 5
165 x 5
185 x 10
195 x 2
205 x 2
215 x 2
225 x 2
125 x 10, 10, 10, 10, 10
Dumbbell row
65 x 10, 10, 10, 10, 10
Close grip bicep curl ez bar
60 x 10, 8
Side laterals
12, 12
The deadlifts are actually tomorrow and at 360 rather than the 380 I thought it was but whatever. Will try to get 11 and be happy with that. Cheers everyone and happy long weekend
Also felt great to put 2 wheels on the bench. Been a long time. Been higher on my calories the last few daysRecent best lifts
Bench - 225x13, 235x9, 250x5, 280x1
Squat - 295x10, 340x5, 375x1
Deadlift - 430x12, 450x9, 485x5, 515x1
OHP - 150x11, 170x6, 185x2, 190x1
3 mile run: 21:59 @ 170 bw.
BW - 195 Getting fat mode
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02-19-2022, 12:16 PM #364
Alright, new deadlift PR! Didn't get anywhere close to what Savior's attempting, but I'm still pretty happy I got this.
Similar attempt with the bench didn't go as well, but glad to be maintaining at least 5. The arch looks a bit improved.
Millz, I think you're the only one getting Monday off. Lucky Canadians lol.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
"... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
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02-19-2022, 12:53 PM #365
Good job man, is 7 reps a PR for you? I don't think I've seen you get that many before
And honestly 7 reps with resets, no belt and no straps is probably stronger than 11 with belt/straps/tap'n'goBest lifts:
Bench press: 315x4, 345x1
Squat: 465x1
Strict press: 185x8, 195x5, 215x1
Deadlift: 405x13 (conv tap'n'go with straps)
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02-19-2022, 01:03 PM #366
Thanks, and yep. I pulled 405 for 6 recently and felt close to 7 at the time.
Somehow the chalk is making the actual lift itself much easier, not just the grip specifically. No idea how or why that works, but it feels like a night and day difference.
I would honestly consider belt, straps and tap'n'go 11 way better, personally.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
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02-19-2022, 01:12 PM #367
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02-19-2022, 01:18 PM #368
Good lifts Eli! Totally agree that chalk makes the actual deadlift easier to get off the ground. It's weird how that works eh?
I find it helps with different kind of rows too. Not to the same extent but it makes the weight feel less heavy.
With deadlifts though it literally feels like 20 pounds lighter with chalk / straps.Recent best lifts
Bench - 225x13, 235x9, 250x5, 280x1
Squat - 295x10, 340x5, 375x1
Deadlift - 430x12, 450x9, 485x5, 515x1
OHP - 150x11, 170x6, 185x2, 190x1
3 mile run: 21:59 @ 170 bw.
BW - 195 Getting fat mode
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02-19-2022, 02:07 PM #369
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02-19-2022, 04:05 PM #370
Great job Eli.
CNS controls grip force, so chalk basically works by improving sense touch with the bar while helping with a little bit more friction to the bar.
So basically everything feels easier and lighter and so you’re able to apply more force to pulling.
Edit: just wanted to say as well if you’ve ever been dealt fatigued on some days your grip strength suffers and things feel heavier.Last edited by Filmbuff81; 02-19-2022 at 04:26 PM.
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02-19-2022, 04:07 PM #371
Overhead Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 45 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 95 lb × 6 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 115 lb × 3 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 135 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 5: 125 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 6: 125 lb × 10 @ 8
Set 7: 125 lb × 10 @ 8.5
Set 8: 125 lb × 8 @ 9
Ran out of gas on the last set.
Lateral Raise (Machine)
Set 1: 10 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 25 lb × 8 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 35 lb × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 45 lb × 16 @ 6.5
Set 5: 45 lb × 13 @ 7.5
Set 6: 45 lb × 11 @ 8.5
Cable Crossover
Set 1: 125 lb × 15 @ 7
Set 2: 125 lb × 15 @ 7.5
Set 3: 125 lb × 13 @ 7.5
Cable Pullover
Set 1: 20 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 40 lb × 15 @ 7
Set 3: 40 lb × 13 @ 7.5
Set 4: 40 lb × 12 @ 8
Preacher Curl (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 20 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 30 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 3: 30 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 4: 30 lb × 9 @ 9
Tricep Rope Push Down
Set 1: 35 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 65 lb × 12 @ 7.5
Set 3: 65 lb × 11 @ 8
Set 4: 65 lb × 9 @ 8.5
Standing Russian Twist
Set 1: 25 lb × 12 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 35 lb × 22 @ 7
Set 3: 35 lb × 20 @ 7
Set 4: 35 lb × 18 @ 7
Set 5: 35 lb × 18 @ 7.5
These felt pretty decent for my back. Hoping they pay dividends over time.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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02-19-2022, 05:32 PM #372
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02-20-2022, 09:44 AM #373
Week 1 deadlifts - tm 400
280 x 5 (sumo)
280 x 5 (conventional)
320 x 5 (sumo)
320 x 3 conventional
360 x 10 (sumo)
360 x 1 conventional
380 x 1 sumo
380 x 1 conventional
405 x 3 conventional (rpe 8)
405 x 1 sumo
240 x 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 conventional
I've been kinda thinking about switching to conventional. I don't like how on the platforms with my sumo stance that I'm not on even ground and I trained sumo almost exclusively from 2018 - 2019 and conventional is just feeling more fun lately and stronger off the floor. Curious to see if I can match my sumo 1rm with some training on it. I've never pulled anything very heavy conventional. I pulled 415 for an easy 2 after doing squats and I've done 405 for a 3x5 before I switched to sumo.
I got 405 x 3 on my conventional pulls today. Too bad the phone fell and there's no actual footage lol. The 5x10s at 240 today are grip training more than anything since I'm doing double overhand. Doing this type of high volume deadlift work really blows up my grip strength.
Recent best lifts
Bench - 225x13, 235x9, 250x5, 280x1
Squat - 295x10, 340x5, 375x1
Deadlift - 430x12, 450x9, 485x5, 515x1
OHP - 150x11, 170x6, 185x2, 190x1
3 mile run: 21:59 @ 170 bw.
BW - 195 Getting fat mode
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02-20-2022, 10:58 AM #374
^^ That's a lot of deadlift sets. Just my 0.02c if you aren't a competitive powerlifter I don't see the point of sumo
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How does my bench form look? Here's 260x6: https://streamable.com/sel79x
It looks like I might not have been centered on the bench; the bar is slanting a little. And I hit the hooks on one of the reps on the way up lol
Does the grip look too narrow? I used to bench with a wider grip
And here's these bench/seal rows: 205x11 https://streamable.com/jkg91h
These look a lot faster than I thought they would be, I don't think I'll have a problem getting to 20+ reps with these
EDIT: Full workout:
Bench:
260x6
260x6
260x6
Bench/Seal rows:
205x11
205x11
205x11
Shrugs:
355x29 (had to stop in the middle and slide the plates back to the collar, should use clips next time)
Curls:
125x9Last edited by SaviorSelfJT; 02-20-2022 at 12:10 PM.
Best lifts:
Bench press: 315x4, 345x1
Squat: 465x1
Strict press: 185x8, 195x5, 215x1
Deadlift: 405x13 (conv tap'n'go with straps)
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02-20-2022, 02:19 PM #375
Bench day. First three sets were probably 1 RIR, last two almost certainly 0 RIR. I'm bulking, but this is only one rep more than I managed over 5 sets with the same weight last mesocycle.
9 x 127lb (tied my rep PR)
6 x 127lb
6 x 127lb
6 x 127lb
5 x 127lbLast edited by RapidFail; 09-28-2022 at 01:35 AM.
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02-20-2022, 03:16 PM #376
@rapid, an extra Rep is an extra rep! How long are your mesocycles?
@saviour, yeah it was more volume than I was planning. Mostly because I was kind of mulling over switching to conventional so I did a lot of the sets in conventional and sumo. Somewhat disagree on the sumo only for powerlifting... My glutes do most of the lifting with this movement and with pretty good volume I think it's an effective loft for hypertrophy in your glutes (depending how you do them).
Bench looks solid. It's pretty narrow but I also bench with a narrow grip so I tend not to find a narrow grip unusual. Feels better on the shoulders.Recent best lifts
Bench - 225x13, 235x9, 250x5, 280x1
Squat - 295x10, 340x5, 375x1
Deadlift - 430x12, 450x9, 485x5, 515x1
OHP - 150x11, 170x6, 185x2, 190x1
3 mile run: 21:59 @ 170 bw.
BW - 195 Getting fat mode
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02-20-2022, 03:19 PM #377
Front Squat (Barbell)
Set 1: 135 lb × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 185 lb × 3 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 205 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 4: 185 lb × 10 @ 6.5
Set 5: 185 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 6: 185 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 7: 185 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 8: 185 lb × 10 @ 7.5
This sucked, but being able to get solid stimulus for little fatigue is always handy.
Sadly my main gym doesn’t have a hack squat, otherwise I’d probably place that here.
Deadlift (Barbell)
Set 1: 135 lb × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 225 lb × 4 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 315 lb × 8 @ 6.5
Set 4: 325 lb × 8 @ 7
Incline Bench Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 45 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 135 lb × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 185 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 4: 185 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 5: 185 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Leg Extension (Machine)
Set 1: 55 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 100 lb × 4 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 140 lb × 15 @ 7
Set 4: 140 lb × 12 @ 8
Set 5: 140 lb × 10 @ 8
Seated Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 55 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 100 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 3: 100 lb × 10 @ 8
Set 4: 100 lb × 9 @ 8
Set 5: 100 lb × 7 @ 8.5the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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02-20-2022, 03:24 PM #378
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02-20-2022, 03:28 PM #379
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02-20-2022, 09:17 PM #380
This is my 1 RIR week, which was pretty accurate for the first three sets. I was just hoping that the extra calories might translate to a bit more performance. I actually think I'm pretty slow switch for bench. When I drop the weight I can do way more reps - when my 5RM was 60kg I could do 50kg for a set of 16.
Last edited by RapidFail; 02-20-2022 at 09:48 PM.
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02-21-2022, 12:16 AM #381
Ah I thought you were starting to training like 0-2RIR most sets.
But either way with RP style volume ramping I’ve always found that the final weeks you might hit a rep PR on a set or two, but it’s mainly about treading water until the next meso when you eek out a little more progress.
Also when doing 5 sets, only really track the first 2-3 as performance drop offs on failure sets pretty rapidly so the last few sets are really just more of a volume accumulation and not really meant as PR sets.
If anything if you’re pushing the first 2-3 sets, the remaining sets should be pretty lacklustre rep wise and sometimes even weight wise if you really pushed it.
if it was a Machine press you’d squeeze a few more reps out, but not on a free weight bench movement.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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02-21-2022, 06:41 AM #382
Thanks guys, on the lifts. Good point on the lack of any slippage translating into acceleration which carries through the lift. Hadn't considered it and it makes complete sense.
Also, what exactly is Renaissance periodization (which is what I am assuming RP stands for here) and what do you think of it? I'd like to get a better grip on appropriate volume/intensity "budgeting" as long as I'm not following a professionally-written program and am approaching my training miscellaneously.
IME it's one of the most elusive aspects of the "science" side of all this, since redlining all the time is not feasible and some excellent gains can mysteriously be made from submaximal training.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
"... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
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02-21-2022, 08:00 AM #383
It’s Mike Israetel’s brainchild of ramping sets up over the course of a mesocycle along with reducing RIR.
You’re essentially looking to find your
MV - Maintenance volume
MEV - Minimum Effective Volume
MAV - Maximum Adaptive Volume
MRV - Maximum Recoverable Volume
In nutshell if you’re doing a 5 week meso + deload
Your first week would be at MEV and also like RIR of 3/4
And based on performance and other factors of pump, soreness, recovery, etc.
You would slowly ramp sets until week 5 where you would be training at 0-1 RIR and possibly hit your MRV before deloading.
Ideally you’re spending most of your time at MEV-MAV since that’s where you’re recovering well and making gains.
But you’re essentially do small overreaching cycles.
Some people go nuts and will ramp from like 10-20+ sets which can get nutty.
A lot of the concepts originated within his book with chad Wesley smith scientific principles of strength training and then he adapted them for physique training.
I think in the context of sport’s performance and fatigue management for athletes it makes a lot of sense.
For physique development, I still employ some aspects but a little more conservatively these days to ensure a little more bias towards strength progression.
If you utilize it right, you can make big gains. But if you have ever done accumulation blocks you’ll know you start feeling like garbage near the end of the cycle before you deload or taper and super compensate.
Essentially RP style training can be seen as that except with the goal of hypertrophic super compensation rather than strength.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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02-21-2022, 08:32 AM #384
That was quite thorough and helpful, thanks.
While I have a loose grasp on a lot of these acronyms and formal terminology, what puzzles me still is how MEV, for instance, can be derived on any kind of solid basis in the first place. It makes sense to use RIR or RPE in a marginal context within an individual set, but since it is entirely circumstantially-dependent, I don't see how it can be relied upon to define what actually constitutes a minimum for effectiveness from a macroscopic perspective, and to what extent this will vary from person to person or even within one's own training level.
Obviously, much of this is circumstantial and necessarily approximated, but the challenge for me is finding the "building blocks" of forming that picture, to acquire a meaningful sense of parameters to observe when structuring miscellaneous workouts. I might read that book or look into that training philosophy in more detail, since I am starting to get frustrated with simply training by feel and the "shot in the dark" results I could expect from that.
Of course, I'm not an advanced lifter, so this really is the province of people who are and I'd probably be better served sticking with something tried and true and already available, like running Candito's program again or trying Calgary's.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
"... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
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02-21-2022, 09:05 AM #385
Well it’s been shown 1 hard set to failure weekly is enough to maintain gains and the metas says 10 sets per week is a good starting place to make gains.
The studies also show even as low as 5-6 sets yields good gains.
So it’s a reasonable assumption to start there for weekly sets and increase if performance stalls or you aren’t making the physique changes you want.
RP has templates and their weekly volume usually starts between 6-12ish depending on the split and level of advancement I think.
RP has a scientific principles of hypertrophy book too.
Eric helms muscle and strength pyramids is a good read too.
And the whole MEV - MRV thing is a moving target. I view it similar to RPE, where it doesn’t need to be 100% accurate you just need to be consistent in your rating of it.
RP YouTube has a video on finding MRV I think.
And I’d agree you could easily just pick a number of sets and run it into the ground.
Ramping RPE/RIR over the course of a meso and repeating.
I went months last year where I get sets static and simply manipulated RIR.
Whatever weights and reps I hit in week 3, I was then using those as my week 1 numbers at a lower RPE higher RIR.
Basically wave load progression with elements of RP RIR progressionthe latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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02-21-2022, 03:10 PM #386
Mood for today:
Craving some serious volume and have a 40 set challenge workout I wrote up earlier. Kind of like a lower intensity marathon session, and I'm going to include some exercise variations since the occasional stimulus shock is important to maintain. I'm going to see if I can get this in somewhere between 2-2.5 hours, and will edit my post with any failures or shortcomings. Might also upload one of the more supplementary exercises for a form check.
A.S.
Flat Bench:
5 x 8 at 225
Chest-Supported T-Bar Row:
5 x 8 w/ 135 added
A.S.
Dumbbell Incline Press (45 degree):
4 x 10 w/ 75s
Lat Pulldown:
4 x 10 at 190
A.S.
Dips:
3 x 12 at bodyweight
Barbell Shrug:
3 x 12 at 225
A.S.
Barbell Curl:
4 x 8 at 95
Lateral Raise:
4 x 8 w/ 25s
A.S.
Twist Curl:
3 x 12 w/ 30s
Tricep Pulldown:
3 x 12 at 100
Machine Rear Delt Fly:
2 x 15 at 50
Machine Cardio Row (Full Resistance):
5x sprint to 500m <2 minutes.
Time goal: >150 minutes
Time achieved: ______
EDIT: Results and modifications listed in spoiler...
Spoiler!Last edited by EliKoehn; 02-21-2022 at 07:27 PM.
Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
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02-21-2022, 09:47 PM #387
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02-22-2022, 02:51 AM #388
Looks like a great day. I love alternating antagonist muscle groups to shorten the workout.
So, I had Sat, Sun, Mon off, fully rested except for sleeping on a bed too small and lacking sleep. I’d eaten well Friday, Sat, Sun but not so well yesterday so it’s going to be interesting to see how todays torso day goes. Unfortunately I slept on my sore shoulder some. My son and I took some large AC units out of my in-laws windows, cool to see him bully stuff like that as he explodes into a muscular young man.
So far, no more issues with ear ringing or dizziness. Let’s hope that was a one day deal.
Over the weekend…
I picked up another 70 lbs of free weights, lots of nifty 1.25 and 2.5, five and tens….stuff for my dbs and ez curl bar. Also got a second ez curl bar. I’m excited about that. All of it was …*free!*
Lift big fellas!, I’m going to get mine in after a large power breakfast. I plan to go high volume, high intensity and hit a variety of rep ranges with three movements for chest, three for back, three for shoulders (if I can press )…"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-22-2022, 05:12 AM #389
Set the log book and pr chart aside. Put the x
Camera away and went to work chasing the pump and feel.
Bench pyramid 20-5
incline pyramid 15-5
flyes 4x8-12
rows, pulldowns, narrow pd 5x8-15 each
upright row pyramid, side laterals,5x8-15
75 min"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-22-2022, 02:56 PM #390
Bench Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 45 lb × 15 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 95 lb × 6 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 135 lb × 4 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 185 lb × 3 [Warm-up]
Set 5: 225lb × 10 6.5
Set 6: 225lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 7: 225lb × 8@ 7.5
Rear Delt Seated Row (Machine)
Set 1: 50 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 110 lb × 6 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 150 lb × 10 @ 6.5
Set 4: 150 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 5: 150 lb × 10 @ 7
Lateral Raise (Machine)
Set 1: 25 lb × 15 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 45 lb × 20 @ 7
Set 3: 45 lb × 18 @ 7.5
Set 4: 45 lb × 17 @ 8
Bench Press (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 60 lb × 6 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 80 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 3: 80 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Set 4: 80 lb × 9 @ 8
Parallel Lat Pulldown (Cable)
Set 1: 70 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 120 lb × 11 @ 7
Set 3: 120 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 4: 120 lb × 8 @ 7.5
Chest Dip
Set 1: 15 reps @ 7
Set 2: 12 reps @ 7
Hammer Curl (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 25 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 35 lb × 13 @ 7.5
Set 3: 35 lb × 10 @ 8.5
Set 4: 35 lb × 10 @ 9
Pretty uneventful day slowly getting some work capacity back.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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