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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    Yes we know blood clots are a potential side effect with the AstraZeneca vaccine. Sad situation. She almost definitely did not need the vaccine.

    On the Oracle guy, no one said the vaccine was 100% effective. In fact, he was VP of a company which was pushing pro vaccine propaganda. Surely someone in such a position would be a member of the NWO. Really makes you think.. that there is no major conspiracy.

    If you look on vaers, tbe P&M shots have more occurrences of blood clots than J&J.

    The spike protein that your body makes is what causes this.


    Is the vaccine meant to kill people or just control their minds? I'm not too clear on this.

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    Its not meant to kill people, its an unintentended consequences of not going through any animal trials or any safety testing that literally every other drug in existence had to go through. These companies were given 0 liability and endless govt $ to ensure they would be paid for every shot.

    Not to mention this is the FIRST drug moderna has EVER had injected to thevpublic, every other drug theyve tried to develop has failed BEFORE they even got to human trials.
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    OP took dabbmw2002's bait more than once. Now he gone
    I baited him? How so? He's responsible for what he says.
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    Originally Posted by MiscInformed View Post
    Ivermectin working miracles.

    India has gone from 24K cases a day in late April to about 1.5K cases a day now.


    https://www.americanthinker.com/imag.../229798_5_.jpg

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...vermectin.html

    Remember, Ivermectin is safe for use by humans. The people who are scaremongering about it are ONLY saying it hasn't been clinically shown to be useful against COVID. In reality, it is. Somehow, it stops this virus from replicating early on, so people treated with the drug in the first days of illness OR those using it as a prophylaxis are seeing the major benefits, but it has also been shown anecdotally to bring patients back from the brink where doctors otherwise had written them off.

    But, you can't force people to take a useless jab of Fauci juice if they know a wonder drug already exists to beat the virus. Especially if that wonder drug is off patent and extremely cheap to buy. Big Pharma has carefully weighed $15B in potential profits against untold thousands or tens of thousands of lives and has chosen... $15B in potential profits! The 9 new Big Pharma billionaires since this whole thing started concur with that decision.
    It's actually crazy how they don't report India anymore, now that they're actually taking HCQ and Ivermeticin
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    Originally Posted by LizzieTish View Post

    Healthy BBC presenter Lisa Shaw, 44, died after ‘severe’ headaches and brain bleed just days after AstraZeneca vaccine
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/15093761...d-astrazeneca/

    Lisa Shaw joined BBC Radio Newcastle in 2016 and had enjoyed a successful career in commercial radio

    Her family said the 44-year-old was treated for blood clots days after her first jab. She died on Friday.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169

    MASSIVE: WORLD RENOWNED DOCTOR BLOWS LID OFF OF COVID VACCINE
    https://ncrenegade.com/massive-world...covid-vaccine/

    Oracle VP Dies of Covid Bioweapon injection (falsely blamed on "covid-19")
    https://twitter.com/TheGeneral_0/sta...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

    fukkk, imagine taking a vaccine and dying for a virus as a 44 year old healthy person, you have a statistically zero percent chance of dying from
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    fukkk, imagine taking a vaccine and dying for a virus as a 44 year old healthy person, you have a statistically zero percent chance of dying from
    What does ‘statistically zero % chance’ mean?
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    Originally Posted by orangetide View Post
    Its not meant to kill people, its an unintentended consequences of not going through any animal trials or any safety testing that literally every other drug in existence had to go through. These companies were given 0 liability and endless govt $ to ensure they would be paid for every shot.

    Not to mention this is the FIRST drug moderna has EVER had injected to thevpublic, every other drug theyve tried to develop has failed BEFORE they even got to human trials.
    This. You don’t have to be a CT to realize this vaccine is untested & simply not needed whatsoever. The amount of people here believing all of a sudden that Govt & Big Pharma has their best interest in mind is mind blowing. A healthy patient is a non-patient.
    Friends that are pharmaceutical Reps tell me stories you wouldn’t believe.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    What does ‘statistically zero % chance’ mean?
    It means you are more likely to die from diarrhea.
    True story, but I’m not gonna down bottles of Pepto every day because of a minute chance I might lose myself taking a chit
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    “WHO Finally Admits COVID-19 PCR Test Has a ‘Problem’”

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...has-a-problem/

    “The thing is, the more cycles that a test goes through, the more likely that a false positive will come up — anything over 30 cycles actually magnifies the samples so much that even insignificant sequences of viral DNA end up being magnified to the point that the test reads positive even if your viral load is extremely low or the virus is inactive and poses no threat to you or anyone else.”


    Just LMAO

    Dr. Fauci: Any PCR-positive with a CT over 35 is "just dead nucleotides, PERIOD." - TWiV # 641

    https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-641/
    ALSO Dr. Fauci: Let's keep testing everyone with the PCR-positive cutoff at 40 CT, guaranteeing massive false-positives
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    “WHO Finally Admits COVID-19 PCR Test Has a ‘Problem’”

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...has-a-problem/

    “The thing is, the more cycles that a test goes through, the more likely that a false positive will come up — anything over 30 cycles actually magnifies the samples so much that even insignificant sequences of viral DNA end up being magnified to the point that the test reads positive even if your viral load is extremely low or the virus is inactive and poses no threat to you or anyone else.”


    Just LMAO

    Dr. Fauci: Any PCR-positive with a CT over 35 is "just dead nucleotides, PERIOD." - TWiV # 641

    https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-641/
    ALSO Dr. Fauci: Let's keep testing everyone with the PCR-positive cutoff at 40 CT, guaranteeing massive false-positives
    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/...-are-adjusted/

    In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been deemed negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Dr. Mina said. “I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,” he said.


    just fukn lol. even Sweden stopped using these tests, and I believe Austria made a ruling that lockdown the country based on these faulty tests would be unconstitutional.
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    It means you are more likely to die from diarrhea.
    True story, but I’m not gonna down bottles of Pepto every day because of a minute chance I might lose myself taking a chit
    I low-key like the taste of pepto for some reason...
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    This. You don’t have to be a CT to realize this vaccine is untested & simply not needed whatsoever. The amount of people here believing all of a sudden that Govt & Big Pharma has their best interest in mind is mind blowing. A healthy patient is a non-patient.
    Friends that are pharmaceutical Reps tell me stories you wouldn’t believe.
    They did go through animal trials and human trials. So you're either just straight up lying or a CT tard. Trials are irrelevant now anyway. Maybe some shady chit did happen that I'm not aware of. Maybe governments and big pharma did cut corners and took a gamble to release vaccines as fast as possible.

    Vaccines started rolling out in the UK nearly 6 months ago. 39,000,000 people have had at least one dose in the UK. Mostly Moderna, Pfizer, and AZ.

    "It's a bioweapon" (not saying you specifically are claiming this, but maybe you are, I don't know)

    Where are the piles of dead bodies?

    When does the mind control kick in?

    The problem is, I could show stats and graphs on the impact of vaccines (mostly due to it having a positive effect on the elderly/sick) but in the mind of a CT retard, nothing is real. Everything is fake. Everything is a conspiracy.

    It has nothing to do with the government or big pharma having our best interest in mind. It is about money and the economy and the healthcare system, like always. So what?
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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    They did go through animal trials and human trials. So you're either just straight up lying or a CT tard. Trials are irrelevant now anyway. Maybe some shady chit did happen that I'm not aware of. Maybe governments and big pharma did cut corners and took a gamble to release vaccines as fast as possible.

    Vaccines started rolling out in the UK nearly 6 months ago. 39,000,000 people have had at least one dose in the UK. Mostly Moderna, Pfizer, and AZ.

    "It's a bioweapon" (not saying you specifically are claiming this, but maybe you are, I don't know)

    Where are the piles of dead bodies?

    When does the mind control kick in?

    The problem is, I could show stats and graphs on the impact of vaccines (mostly due to it having a positive effect on the elderly/sick) but in the mind of a CT retard, nothing is real. Everything is fake. Everything is a conspiracy.

    It has nothing to do with the government or big pharma having our best interest in mind. It is about money and the economy and the healthcare system, like always. So what?
    Really?
    Post the studies then..particularly the animal study on ferrets.

    I’ll wait.

    Surely you’ll deliver


    Edit-you realize there is a latency between an animals immune system & a humans correct? 1-2 yrs.

    Keep trying, maybe one day you’ll post something intelligent
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    I actually did a sorted search on PubMed, and it does look like there is human data as far back as 2009 for mRNA based injections...

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19609242/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25288198/



    And here is a general analysis of mRNA vaccines back from 2021

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3597572/
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I actually did a sorted search on PubMed, and it does look like there is human data as far back as 2009 for mRNA based injections...

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19609242/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25288198/



    And here is a general analysis of mRNA vaccines back from 2021

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3597572/
    “Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/


    Here is another..

    The BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 reprograms both adaptive and innate immune responses

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....03.21256520v1

    They showed that after administration of the vaccine, the innate immune response to other immune system triggers like other viruses, bacteria and fungi was changed in complex ways. Evidence also showed that once the adaptive immune response to COVID “wears off” basically, it could make people more susceptible to more serious illness from COVID infection (not to mention other things) due to these innate immune system changes.
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    changed in complex ways.
    I'm not sure how this relates to my post at all (i was just trying to show the concept isn't new....)


    But the conclusions sound super vague to me.

    "Changed in complex ways..."

    And how does that indicate anyone would have more severe infection? Did people get the vaccine and then actually get a severe infection?

    They say "evidence" but i'm not following what the evidence was... did it happen or didn't it happen?
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    I'm not sure how this relates to my post at all (i was just trying to show the concept isn't new....)


    But the conclusions sound super vague to me.

    "Changed in complex ways..."

    And how does that indicate anyone would have more severe infection? Did people get the vaccine and then actually get a severe infection?

    They say "evidence" but i'm not following what the evidence was... did it happen or didn't it happen?
    “COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ”

    Worsen..not change for the better
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    Originally Posted by Paul Kreul View Post
    “COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ”

    Worsen..not change for the better
    What I’m saying is that they’re speculating…

    “Changed in complex ways”

    “May sensitize…”


    So… then, it also may not?
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    What I’m saying is that they’re speculating…

    “Changed in complex ways”

    “May sensitize…”


    So… then, it also may not?

    I’m not going to die from covid either, all the more reason why we shouldn’t being rushing out to get a vaccine.
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    I’m not going to die from covid either, all the more reason why we shouldn’t being rushing out to get a vaccine.
    You’re not likely to die or suffer much from either
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    You’re not likely to die or suffer much from either
    Well I’ve had Covid, I’ll stick with my ant-bodies before I rush out & get an untested vaccine
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    You’re not likely to die or suffer much from either
    You completely dodged a relevant point; why would you INCREASE your risks if it’s not warranted then? In other words, if you don’t take the vaccine you’re only risking Covid. If you take the vaccine, now you’re risking Covid AND the vaccine.

    How do people reason through this??? This is the point. Allowing individuals to do their own risk assessment. Leaving it up to the youth and the uneducated means we will all make a bad decision together. This is exactly why collectives are extremely dangerous
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    Well I’ve had Covid, I’ll stick with my ant-bodies before I rush out & get an untested vaccine
    Good call.

    Curious: how did you figure out you had it?
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    You completely dodged a relevant point; why would you INCREASE your risks if it’s not warranted then? In other words, if you don’t take the vaccine you’re only risking Covid. If you take the vaccine, now you’re risking Covid AND the vaccine.

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    Increase my risk of what?

    I never conceded that getting the vaccine increases my risk of Covid… if I believed that, I wouldn’t get it…
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    Good call.

    Curious: how did you figure out you had it?
    I had a bad flu
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    I had a bad flu
    So you’re guessing you had Covid then…
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    Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    You completely dodged a relevant point; why would you INCREASE your risks if it’s not warranted then? In other words, if you don’t take the vaccine you’re only risking Covid. If you take the vaccine, now you’re risking Covid AND the vaccine.

    How do people reason through this??? This is the point. Allowing individuals to do their own risk assessment. Leaving it up to the youth and the uneducated means we will all make a bad decision together. This is exactly why collectives are extremely dangerous
    What do you mean how do you reason through it? The vaccine side effects are extremely minor compared to COVID-19 and the vaccine helps prevent COVID-19 and the SPREAD. Its not just about you, its about having empathy too. Its the same reason you can't drink and drive. No one gives a fuk if you kill yourself, its everyone else on the road that cares.
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    What do you mean how do you reason through it? The vaccine side effects are extremely minor compared to COVID-19 and the vaccine helps prevent COVID-19 and the SPREAD. Its not just about you, its about having empathy too. Its the same reason you can't drink and drive. No one gives a fuk if you kill yourself, its everyone else on the road that cares.
    Yeah bro, losing taste and smell, or worse, being completely asymptomatic is truly awful.

    Lets cancel all cancer screenings and outpatient procedures again, wouldnt want some young person to lose taste and smell! We should give up our lives so the 85 year olds can keep thriving.
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    Yeah bro, losing taste and smell, or worse, being completely asymptomatic is truly awful.

    Lets cancel all cancer screenings and outpatient procedures again, wouldnt want some young person to lose taste and smell! We should give up our lives so the 85 year olds can keep thriving.
    Yea having a sore arm is truly awful, what kind of pussy can't deal with a sore arm for 12 hours?
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    Yea having a sore arm is truly awful, what kind of pussy can't deal with a sore arm for 12 hours?
    ^ this is the same guy screaming at AdamWW for being a pro-vaxxer.

    Some people are not worth engaging. I'll leave it to you to decide where that line is drawn, but this retard is way off the reservation in my book, totally a waste of any effort put into any response you might give towards whatever idiotic point he's trying to make.
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