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    The Targeted Ketogenic Diet (TKD)
    The targeted ketogenic diet is nothing more than the standard ketogenic diet with carbohydrates consumed at specific times around exercise. This means that the general guidelines for constructing a SKD should be used with the exception that more carbohydrates are consumed on days when exercise is performed. If fat loss is the goal, the number of calories consumed as carbohydrates should be subtracted from total calories, meaning that less dietary fat is consumed on those days. The TKD is based more on anecdotal experience than research. Invariably, individuals on a SKD are unable to maintain a high training intensity. However, for a variety of reasons, some dieters choose not to do the full 1-2 day carbup of the CKD. The TKD is a compromise approach between the SKD and the CKD. The TKD will allow individuals on a ketogenic diet to perform high intensity activity (or aerobic exercise for long periods of time) without having to interrupt ketosis for long periods of time.


    Why pre-workout carbs?
    Weight training is not generally limited by the availability of blood glucose. Studies giving carbs prior to resistance training have not found an increase in performance. However, almost without exception, individuals on a SKD who consume pre-workout carbs report improved strength and endurance and an ability to maintain a higher intensity of training during their workout. Anyone following a ketogenic diet who wishes to perform high intensity training can benefit from the TKD approach. Very little research has examined the effects of a ketogenic diet on weight training performance and it is difficult to determine exactly why performance is improved with preworkout carbs. It may be that raising blood glucose to normal levels, which only requires a minimal 5 grams of carbohydrate, allows better muscle fiber recruitment during training or prevent fatigue. Ultimately, the reason why carbohydrates improve performance is less critical than the fact that they do. Additionally, individuals performing extensive amounts of aerobic training on a SKD typically report improved performance with carbs consumed before and during workouts. Even at low intensities, performance on a SKD is limited by glucose and muscle glycogen. For this reason, endurance athletes using a SKD are encouraged to experiment with carbohydrates around training.


    Amounts, types and timing of carbs
    The major goal with pre-workout carbs is not necessarily to improve performance, although that is a nice benefit. Primarily, the goal is to provide enough carbohydrate to promote post-workout glycogen synthesis without interrupting ketosis for very long. That is, the carbohydrate taken prior to one workout is really an attempt to ?set up? the body for better performance at the next workout by maintaining glycogen levels. Although experimentation is encouraged, most individuals find that 25-50 grams of carbohydrates taken thirty minutes before a workout enhance performance. The type of carbohydrate consumed pre-workout is not critical and individuals are encouraged to experiment with different types of carbs. Most seem to prefer easily digestible carbohydrates, either liquids or high Glycemic Index (GI) candies to avoid problems with stomach upset during training. A wide variety of foods have been used prior to workouts: glucose polymers, Sweet Tarts, bagels, and food bars; all result in improved performance.

    One concern of many SKDers is the potential insulin response from carbohydrate ingestion on a TKD. Generally speaking, insulin levels decrease during exercise. Exercise training itself improves insulin sensitivity as does glycogen depletion. So hyperinsulinemia should not be a problem during exercise for individuals consuming carbs pre-workout. However, following training, if blood glucose is still elevated, there may be an increase in insulin. This has the potential to cause a hyperinsulinemic response in predisposed individuals. Sadly there is no direct research to say that this will happen and the only data points available are anecdotal. Most people appear to tolerate pre-workout carbohydrates quite well, and very few have reported problems with an insulin or blood glucose rebound with post-workout carbohydrates. Once again, for lack of any strict guidelines, experimentation is encouraged.


    Effects on ketosis
    Research suggests that carbohydrates consumed before or after exercise should not negatively affect ketosis. However, some individuals find that they drop out of ketosis transiently due to the ingestion of pre-workout carbohydrates. After workout, there will be a short period where insulin is elevated and free fatty acid availability for ketone production is decreased. However, as blood glucose is pushed into the muscles, insulin should drop again allowing ketogenesis to resume within several hours. Performing some low intensity cardio to lower insulin and increase blood levels of free fatty acids should help to more quickly reestablish ketosis. Post-workout carbohydrates might be expected to have a greater effect on ketosis, in that insulin levels will most likely be higher than are seen with pre-workout carbohydrates. For this reason, individuals may want to experiment with pre-workout carbohydrates first, only adding post-workout carbohydrates if necessary.


    Training and the TKD
    While an intake of 25-50 grams of carbohydrates prior to training is a good rough guideline, some individuals have asked how to calculate the exact amounts of carbohydrate which they should consume around exercise. For weight training, the amount of carbs needed will depend solely on the amount of training being done. Recall from the previous sections that a set of weight training lasting 45 seconds will use approximately 15.7 mmol/kg of glycogen. Individuals on an SKD typically maintain glycogen levels around 70 mmol/kg and performance will be extremely compromised if glycogen is lowered to 40 mmol/kg, allowing roughly 2 sets per bodypart to be performed. Assuming ~30 mmol/kg used per bodypart in 2 sets, we can estimate how much carbohydrate is needed to replace that amount of glycogen. To convert mmol of glycogen to grams of carbohydrate, we simply divide mmol by 5.56. 30 mmol/kg divided by 5.56 = ~5 grams of carbohydrates to replace 30 mmol of glycogen. So for every 2 sets performed during weight training, 5 grams of carbs should be consumed to replenish the glycogen used. If a large amount of training is being performed, necessitating a large amount of carbohydrate (greater than 100 grams) it may be beneficial to split the total amount of carbohydrate up, consuming half 30? prior to the workout and the other half when the workout begins. This should avoid problems with stomach upset during training. Some individuals have also experimented with consuming carbohydrates during training. All approaches seem to work effectively and experimentation is encouraged.


    Post-workout nutrition
    For individuals wishing to consume carbs post-training to help with recovery, an additional 25-50 grams of glucose or glucose polymers are recommended. In this situation, the type of carbohydrate ingested does matter and fructose and sucrose should ideally be avoided, since they may refill liver glycogen and risk interrupting ketone body formation. This limits post-workout carbohydrates to glucose or glucose-polymers, which are not used to refill liver glycogen (7). With pre-workout carbs, there will be an increase in insulin after training ends. Even if individuals do not want to take in carbs after training, ingesting protein can help with recovery as the insulin from pre-workout carbs should push amino acids into the muscle cells. Consuming 25-50 grams of a high quality protein immediately after training may help with recovery. Fat should generally be avoided in a post-workout meal. First and foremost, dietary fat will slow digestion of protein and/or carbohydrate. Second, the consumption of dietary fat when insulin levels are high may cause fat storage after training.


    Summary of the guidelines for the TKD
    1. Individuals following the SKD who want to perform high intensity activity will absolutely have to consume carbs at some point around exercise. The basic guidelines for setting up a SKD should still be used to develop a TKD. The only difference is that calories must be adjusted to account for the carbohydrates being consumed around training.

    2. The safest time to consume carbs, in terms of maintaining ketosis, is before a workout and ketosis should be reestablished soon after training. Depending on total training volume, 25-50 grams of carbohydrates taken 30-60? prior to training seems to be a good amount. The type of carbohydrate is less critical for pre-workout carbs but quickly digested, high GI carbs seem to work best to avoid stomach upset.

    3. If more than 50 grams of carbohydrates must be consumed around training, it may be beneficial to split the total amount, consuming half 30? before training and the other half at the beginning (or during) of the workout.

    4. If post-workout carbohydrates are consumed, an additional 25-50 grams of glucose or glucose polymers are recommended. Fructose and sucrose should be avoided as they can refill liver glycogen and interrupt ketosis. Additionally protein can be added to the post-workout meal to help with recovery. Dietary fat should be avoided since it will slow digestion and could lead to fat storage when insulin levels are high.

    5. If post-workout carbohydrates are not consumed, taking in protein only can still enhance recovery as blood glucose and insulin should be slightly elevated from the consumption of preworkout carbohydrates.


    Excerpts from The Ketogenic Diet: A complete guide by Lyle Mcdonald
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    i think we have plenty of stickies... i think the TKD post should just be emerged into the current keto sticky... on the first page of it that is...
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