You guys who don't care about your future woman's career are retarded

[CosmicGate0289]

I'm married now (my wife is a nurse) but if I was single, I absolutely would not date a woman without a real career (at least 70-90K a year)


the cost of everything now is outrageous. I make 150k+ a year but that's not the great money it used to be. You need a second income (and something close to 100K) to really be comfortable nowadays


also would not date a woman who is not financially responsible. A irresponsible woman can bankrupt you pretty easily

[jimbob007]

If she is working the stripper pole she will make more than you.

[DarthCholo]

the only reason i would care for a woman to have a career is so she woun't expect me to entertain her as we get older in age. Basically it would allow both of us time away from each other. Don't really care how much she makes.

[donblaximus]

water is wet..............

[Visel]

Agreed OP.

My GF finished a degree, has a lot of debt, and hasn't had a job offer yet since her graduation (her field is very obscure / low demand).

She has expressed a desire to move in with me. But I'm just thinking, "no ****?" since she is still in a very cheap college living situation sharing a bedroom and has no income. She wouldn't be able to afford even 1/4 of my rent + bills, srs.

How far we progress at the relationship, and living situation, is honestly literally correlated to her career success IMO.

When you're dating, and you move in together, she is essentially nothing more than a roommate with "benefits." Would you want a roommate who is lightyears away from contributing an equal share to your CoL? No. Would you want a wife who will drag your net worth down another $100k with no benefit to income whatsoever? Hell no.

With this economy, maybe if I made $500k+ I'd consider being more charitable. But nope.

[MikeLowrrrey]

If I made $150k as a single man, I'd be very comfy. The medium household income is $76k.



As far as settling with a woman, I mean it can go both ways. A stress free wife, a very clean house, and hot food on demand sounds very nice. Would you turn down a good woman who makes $35k part time as a librarian?

[eddiehaskell]

i think part of the alpha shtick is that you shouldn't care because she won't be working or going around people...just waiting at the door to massage you

[blueberryboy]

No worries here.

My girl makes big $$...self employed . We are both home owners ...if it continues we may buy together some day ( haven't moved In yet)

[CosmicGate0289]

If I made $150k as a single man, I'd be very comfy. The medium household income is $76k.



As far as settling with a woman, I mean it can go both ways. A stress free wife, a very clean house, and hot food on demand sounds very nice. Would you turn down a good woman who makes $35k part time as a librarian?

Unless you're making 200k long term, I would not date a woman making 35k


Everything costs a bazillion dollars now. I don't care about avg income. Most people are broke

[nothingshocking]

I'm not sure I agree. I'm dating a young woman who was raised in a traditional conservative European country. I wouldn't want to Americanize her and have her find a career.

Traditional gender roles are pretty nice to me. It's how my parents were.

I make plenty of money, and if she made 50-70k per year it wouldn't really make a huge difference.

Not sure I want to get married again, but this seems much better than the nurses, doctors, lawyers, and corporate professionals etc that I've dated.

[Aleister_White]

good relationship with money: i am 100% aligned

salary: personally i don't really care - if she makes 50k she can pay for some food / family expenses while i pay the rest - i would rather value if she has time to take care of kids, home, food, etc. - not sure it's a good idea that a woman does not work at all...

[blueberryboy]

Unless you're making 200k long term, I would not date a woman making 35k


Everything costs a bazillion dollars now. I don't care about avg income. Most people are broke

You claim to make 150k - what exactly are you doing with 12,500 before taxes each month that you're taking this stance of everybody's broke.

[Aleister_White]

I'm not sure I agree. I'm dating a young woman who was raised in a traditional conservative European country. I wouldn't want to Americanize her and have her find a career.

Traditional gender roles are pretty nice to me. It's how my parents were.

I make plenty of money, and if she made 50-70k per year it wouldn't really make a huge difference.

Not sure I want to get married again, but this seems much better than the nurses, doctors, lawyers, and corporate professionals etc that I've dated.

this too

[MikeLowrrrey]

Unless you're making 200k long term, I would not date a woman making 35k


Everything costs a bazillion dollars now. I don't care about avg income. Most people are broke

I prefer my woman working part time stress free, unless she opted to work full time. I don't won't her dealing with long commute times, 8 to 5 office work etc.


I could make it with woman on $150k salary in a majority of cities outside of Cali and NY.

[CosmicGate0289]

I'm not sure I agree. I'm dating a young woman who was raised in a traditional conservative European country. I wouldn't want to Americanize her and have her find a career.

Traditional gender roles are pretty nice to me. It's how my parents were.

I make plenty of money, and if she made 50-70k per year it wouldn't really make a huge difference.

Not sure I want to get married again, but this seems much better than the nurses, doctors, lawyers, and corporate professionals etc that I've dated.

If you're making 250k+, that's different and you don't apply in this category

[blueberryboy]

If you're making 250k+, that's different and you don't apply in this category

If you claim to make 150 ..and still financial pinched...you're either frauding or manage your money extremely poorly ..living well above your means .

[DuracellBunny]

It was never about money for me. I worked 80 hour weeks, which has a very different dynamic.

My wife was very successful herself and "got it". If she had been a stay at home wife all that time, I don't think it would have worked. A low ambition, happy to stay at home woman and I would be the wrong combination.

Now that we have a kid, we share staying at home with her, partly because I like spending time with my daughter; she's great.

The important thing is that you do you and she does her. Whether that makes sense 100% to everybody else isn't the issue.

[FarmersSon]

Really context dependent. My wife was 20 when we got married, I was 22. Neither of us had a career, and the first priority for both was a family. My wife was 5 or 6 months pregnant when she graduated college and has never worked a job outside the home since we had out first. Oldest graduates high school this week. We have 5 kids now and she's never had time for work and won't for several years still. In that situation, why should I care?

However, I would care if I was marrying a 30-year-old and planning on one kid. Even then, money wouldn't be the top priority. A top tier schoolteacher could make a great mother even though they don't make a lot of money. I'd mainly be looking for someone who excelled in their chosen field and was out making a difference in the world.

[Maestro]

water is wet..............

not really,

there are a large chunk of miscers that want their gf's/wives to be completely helpless and 100% reliant on them. In their eyes, if a woman has an opinion/career of her own then she's more likely to cheat. They also want her to be barefoot and pregnant perpetually in the kitchen making meals basically acting as a brood mare.

[DrugsToGetBig]

as long as she acts like she's supposed to, she can wait table's part-time at the local diner and i would give 0 ****s.


how she is as a woman is far more important than the job she has that she most likely loathes and makes her miserable to begin with.

a good woman taking care of my babies staying at home > any job a woman could have

[Aleister_White]

funny thing i have observed : the rich girls i dated were the worst in terms of expectations of the man paying for everything

i expected them to contribute since they were rich but the reaction was really bad

maybe anecdotical though

[FarmersSon]

It was never about money for me. I worked 80 hour weeks, which has a very different dynamic.

My wife was very successful herself and "got it". If she had been a stay at home wife all that time, I don't think it would have worked. A low ambition, happy to stay at home woman and I would be the wrong combination.

Now that we have a kid, we share staying at home with her, partly because I like spending time with my daughter; she's great.

The important thing is that you do you and she does her. Whether that makes sense 100% to everybody else isn't the issue.

I laugh when people conflate being low ambition with being happy to stay at home. I'm sure they're out there, but none of the stay-at-home moms I know could be called "low ambition".

[TryingMen]

I'm married now (my wife is a nurse)

[DuracellBunny]

I laugh when people conflate being low ambition with being happy to stay at home. I'm sure they're out there, but none of the stay-at-home moms I know could be called "low ambition".

I'm talking career ambition, not life ambition.

Plenty of stay at home women are very ambitious for their kids and they have been, are and will continue to be the "woman behind the man", but that isn't what I'm referring to.

My wife works for me. She "gets" it and understands that side of my life completely. We are a team, both at home and at work.

[FAPhaggot]

It's a catch 22 for sure. Irresponsible government fiat printing and 4 decades of negative real income growth have now made it impossible for men under 40 to play the breadwinner, and they now need a second income. But then who handles the childcare?

The easiest way to square that circle is to not have children. And what are we seeing across the entire developed world...

[guest89]

I prefer a woman that works a low stress part time job she enjoys. And she does cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping and laundry at home. Mine works full time and does all that ^ but she is high energy. I doubt if many women could keep up. When we have a kid I want her staying home to raise the kid. If she needs something to do she can do a small home business and earn some extra spending money that way.



Having a woman that focuses on her health, fitness, cook good/healthy meals at home, and keep my place clean/neat/organized is far more valuable to me then if she supplements the house-hold income.

[NitrogenWidget]

all i hear about from my retired 1st responder friends is all the married nurses the firemen and cops pass around.

better wrap it opie because those 1st responders don't which is weird because being safe is supposed to be their job.

[guest89]

all i hear about from my retired 1st responder friends is all the married nurses the firemen and cops pass around.

better wrap it opie because those 1st responders don't which is weird because being safe is supposed to be their job.

Yeah the nurses are definitely sl00ts. Probably some of the biggest sl00ts tbh.


Getting run through by cops, military and all the hospital doctors for sure.

[Composed]

lol @ “career women”. American society really went the wrong way.

[FarmersSon]

I'm talking career ambition, not life ambition.

Plenty of stay at home women are very ambitious for their kids and they have been, are and will continue to be the "woman behind the man", but that isn't what I'm referring to.

My wife works for me. She "gets" it and understands that side of my life completely. We are a team, both at home and at work.

Gotcha, and I appreciate the clarification. I've seen "low ambition" used a lot as a code word for lazy and suspect that's how many would read it.

Perhaps I'm just sensitive.