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12-18-2012, 09:46 AM #361
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12-18-2012, 09:48 AM #362
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12-18-2012, 09:49 AM #363
A successful invasion is not the same as a successful occupation. We don't have to go too far back to see that. I doubt this will happen one way or the other but it would be foolish to discount it simply because it's inconvenient or improbable.
Purposefully automatic weapons are difficult and very expensive to acquire (legally). Most any semi, of the dreaded "assault" type or other, can be made fully automatic, though I don't see full auto as being notably more dangerous.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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12-18-2012, 09:50 AM #364
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Does everybody believe that gun control is so cut and dry as taking all your guns away?
People should look at the example of Sweden which is an armed country with very little gun violence. If you read up on their laws you would see that they do practice gun control without disarming their citizens.
Mandatory service in the military, where 1) they are taught to use fire arms
2) they are intigrated with their fellow countrymen a lot of who speak different languages so they are given insight into cultreral differences which I know would give me a greater respect for my countrymen and their lives.
There are many other differences between the 2 nations (Sweden and the US) laws when it comes to firearms and in no way do I think it would put an end to shooting sprees but if it would save one life, and one more child could be home for Christmas this year I don't see anything wrong with it.
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12-18-2012, 09:52 AM #365
Kinda miss communication here I think. I'm not discounting it completely my point is if it happened personal guns would be useless, due to the fact it would take one hell of a force to pull it off. This isn't red dawn being wolverines is a Hollywood idea not really practical
Excuses are like A-holes everyone's got 1...............
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12-18-2012, 09:53 AM #366
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12-18-2012, 09:54 AM #367
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12-18-2012, 09:54 AM #368
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12-18-2012, 09:56 AM #370
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12-18-2012, 09:56 AM #371
The thing with occupations is that time is always on the side of the occupied. Where else do they have to go?
I would like to think that we aren't much different than any other culture and would do our best to protect ourselves if it ever came to it. I do not fall back on the idea that each and every one of us would simply sit in the corner in a pool of our own piss at the first sound of thunder. What would I do? I have no idea and would rather never find out. What would most do? I don't know that either. But, I don't think so little of us to think that we would all simply go tits up if a fully functional and integrated federal military were compromised in some way.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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12-18-2012, 09:57 AM #372
Nope but your not talking about invading and holding America as it would apply to this argument. Your also talking about something that happened in the middle of a world war. Does it apply to current times or likelihood? Absolutely not, we were fighting a multi front war all over the world getting back a lowly populated obscure island or defending it for that matter probably wasn't high on the priority list.
Kinda splitting hairs on this one.Excuses are like A-holes everyone's got 1...............
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12-18-2012, 09:57 AM #373
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12-18-2012, 10:00 AM #377
But BigVin just because it seem improbable it still is possible. Didn't the British invade this country? yes I am going back in history, but inevitably we will repeat history, it's in the nature of man(woman) to do so. We have this unhealthy obsession to possess and control.
And you are probably are right your average persons measly personal arsenal cannot defend against a large invasion, but like I said, I rather go do fighting than just sit here and say Oh well we have been invaded I give up.
And that is not the only scenario, what if it comes from within this country? What if a revolution begins? What if a solar flair totally wipes out electricity/computers etc. Yes these are all far fetched ideas, but then what? How will you defend your home and family. With a baseball bat?
There are so many unknowns and possibilities in life, I choose to take the peaceful route now when it comes to conflict, but I will not be naive, sometimes you have to make a stand and protect your life and those of loved ones. And if I have the misfortune to actually live long enough where that becomes a reality then I will stand and fight, even if I am 90 yo. I will be a badass grandma with a AK in my hands
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12-18-2012, 10:02 AM #378
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12-18-2012, 10:03 AM #379
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Vin,
Since you asked, earlier I posted that I have a pump action(not Semi Automatic) AK-47 in 5.56 Nato. I have this firearm for the purpose of Small game hunting. I was looking for an AR platform originally but this was less than Half the price. In Colorado, you have to be under .23 Cal for small game.
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12-18-2012, 10:04 AM #380
I saw no original point; that is I did not scroll back through all the pages of this train wreck. As I said I'm not concerned with justification to the extent that it converts someone at this point. I have no illusions. We might as well be arguing religion. The history of war, occupation/colonialism is interesting to me so I kinda cued off that.
As for automatic weapons, I don't particularly care. They are hard to acquire and are expensive and honestly if I wanted a fully automatic weapon I would make one or modify an existing semi. It's almost trivial to do.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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12-18-2012, 10:05 AM #381
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12-18-2012, 10:08 AM #382
I'm all good with that and like I said belive everyone has a right to have guns, but outside LBMs I have them cause they are fun to shoot explanation the rest of the explanations for owning them are just fodder. I'm good with I have them cause they are fun I bet they are, personally I don't own a gun might at some point but I don't need 1. I have 600lbs of dogs most home incursions happen wen people are asleep a gun does me no good there but try getting in without the dogs finding you lol.
I'm not for anyone taking your guns away but there has to be something done to ensure safer practices with guns. Kind of side tracked all the real arguments with two pages of invasion talk.
Btw I'm still waiting to hear on the licensing and testing idea? Since they guy with the face mask In his av wants to compare with carsExcuses are like A-holes everyone's got 1...............
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12-18-2012, 10:10 AM #383
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12-18-2012, 10:13 AM #384
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Sorry I had to get some work done.
Yes but if that soccer mom was in a Ford Focus she wouldn't have killed so many people when she ran into their car.
As for the tests and licenses, sure I'm OK with that but it won't do any good because again mass murderers don't care if they're licensed or not. I have all sorts of tests and safety courses so I've already gone through whatever might be required anyway, didn't learn a damn thing from any of them but perhaps they might be good for an average noobie so I'm all for it.
I mean, I understand having a phone for emergencies but who really NEEDS ability to send a text message?
Sound familiar?
NRA memberships come with firearms liability insurance. Perhaps everyone should become a member of the NRA.
Again I'm OK with licensing and insurance, as long as the criteria is as loose for killing people as it is for vehicular homicide. Hey, kill a family with your SUV because you're texting and you're back on the road before too long. How many DUI's does it take to have a license suspended? Guns are just a "feel good" hot button issue, you want to stop innocent kids from suffering look to traffic.
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12-18-2012, 10:15 AM #385
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12-18-2012, 10:15 AM #386
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That is a very good question and not one I will pretend to have an answer to. You can also look at Canada's gun laws which are stricter than the US. We have similar cultures and yet Canada has lower gun violence than the US although not as low as Swedens. I am not claiming to know all the answers but I am saying there must be something out there that can make things better. I own guns myself and like my right to do so, so don't take it that I want all guns gone off the face of the earth but I do believe there should be some form of mandatory training, and better storage laws to protect against accidental child deaths.
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12-18-2012, 10:15 AM #387
I don't like someone somewhere keeping tabs and what I own and how many. I have no problem with training or even a background check. But, I don't want the SWAT team to show up at my house if I report a stray dog because their system says I have x,y and z weapons in the house. I don't trust the government in any way shape or form with information and I don't trust that the laws they pass will be used for their intended purpose (eg RICO, Patriot Act, etc.).
I used to believe that no matter what there was a layer of people, say government or military, that were on top of it all. That truly knew what was right/wrong and had things figured out. As I've gotten older and drifted in and around some of those organizations I realize that there are certainly plenty of smart individuals placed here and there, for the most part they are just as f'in clueless and psychotic as any other segment of the population. I firmly believe that power that isn't had and information that isn't had can't be misused or abused and I'm willing to accept the risk of a little less protection against the reward of knowing that information and power they don't have can't be misused.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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12-18-2012, 10:19 AM #388
Frankly I don't know. Wasn't a rhetorical question. I'm very skeptical it is one of respect and responsibility as a function of training. It obviously never hurts but my gut instinct is that education is our go to response to make us feel in control. Obviously I am all for education but I feel there's more to it than that. What are my feelings worth? Squat
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12-18-2012, 10:21 AM #389
So a war has to be declared for an invasion to truly be an "invasion"? How would you classify the well-armed and extremely violent Mexican cartels digging through tunnels to bring in their drugs and other $hit through SoTex's backyard? I think our friends in the South have every right to stop these thugs.
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12-18-2012, 10:31 AM #390
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