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10-24-2012, 03:41 PM #31
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10-24-2012, 04:30 PM #32
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10-24-2012, 04:31 PM #33
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10-24-2012, 04:34 PM #34
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10-24-2012, 04:37 PM #35
a while back there was a thread about PEA. I came into the thread(just a few no-name posters at this point, no regulars/reps), and said I find PEA to be awesome, and that 1500-3000mg will have you feeling pretty crazy. I specifically stated that I wasn't suggesting anyone do it per say, but that I found it to be a fun time.
Greg came in(he was pretty new to the boards at this time), and started going nuts on me telling me I was being irresponsible, PEA is a dangerous compound, and that dosage could seriously harm someone.
I'm going to go look for it now.
edit: here it is. LOL now I remember why I found it so odd...he rips me a new one for saying I used 3000mg PEA, but then tells people to use Rx drugs for other uses besides their intended design(and to use them without an Rx)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6428771&page=1
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10-24-2012, 04:57 PM #36
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10-24-2012, 05:03 PM #37
Exactly...I said a high dose of a legal/DSHEA compliant compound was fun to take, and get yelled at it. He suggest people about Rx meds and he thinks he's in the right. But I digress...this is Greg we're talking about. He makes fun of the mentally handicapped...what do we really expect of him?
Up until that thread, he and I had never had ANY interaction... that was quite literally the first thing he had ever said to me.
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10-24-2012, 05:10 PM #38
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10-24-2012, 05:10 PM #39
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10-24-2012, 05:15 PM #40
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10-24-2012, 05:16 PM #41
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10-24-2012, 05:18 PM #42
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10-24-2012, 05:38 PM #43
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10-24-2012, 07:15 PM #44
Last christmas I bought myself a tub of the Irish Cream seasonal flavor they put out. Tasted ok, but every so often I did get these little black clumps of what appeared to be dirt or something. The first time I saw one I assumed it was possibly powdered flavoring concentrate or something of the like. I proceeded to bite into it and it pretty much tasted like dirt. Fished a few more of them out of the tub and never quite figured out what it was. I'm not really one to draw attention to things or anything so I simply got rid of the tub and told my closer friends of my experience.
The o-ring incident was isolated to one particular day in manufacturing. Now, we perform daily inspections on equipment seals, which is obviously much more frequent than the prior weekly inspections.
Also a few months back I took a trip out to a supp shop that a friend of mine owns. When I got in I saw a few tubs of smashed up Trutein lined along the back wall. I asked about them and he told me it was not an isolated incident and he had informed Greg about this. From what I was told, Greg would essentially tell him, thats too bad for you, and would do nothing to ameliorate the issue. This wouldn't have been such big problem if it was an isolated incident, but seeing as how it happened more than once with the same type of response from Greg...I feel as if there may be some underlying manufacturing/packaging issues at Trunutrition HQ.Last edited by GregW1; 10-24-2012 at 07:26 PM.
Body Nutrition - The Best Protein in the World!
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"The supplement business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
-- Hunter S. Thompson
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10-24-2012, 07:16 PM #45
Telling someone who has NEVER taken PEA before to take 3g for the first time is nuts. A responsible answer would have been to take 250-500mg (assuming no MAOI is taken) and titrate upwards. What's most astonishing to me is that a tiny disagreement over PEA dosage from a year or so ago is the source for all your belittling and criticizing me, TNS and my reps. I told you several times, "hey man, let's forget it - you disagreed with me disagreeing with your dosage so that's that. it was nothing, let bygones be bygones" and you STILL to this day harbor that resentment to bring it up in this thread, and presumably it still fuels your contempt for me, the reps & the company. Issues as small as a minor disagreement on a forum really shouldn't be something that gets under one's skin like that and keeps on keepin on. Be cool, man.
Last edited by GregW1; 10-24-2012 at 07:25 PM.
Body Nutrition - The Best Protein in the World!
Magic Pudding & Trutein Now available on the bb.com store: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/body-nutrition.html
"The supplement business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
-- Hunter S. Thompson
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10-24-2012, 07:33 PM #46
See post #44
The o-ring incident was isolated to one particular day in manufacturing. Now, we perform daily inspections on equipment seals, which is obviously much more frequent than the prior weekly inspections.Body Nutrition - The Best Protein in the World!
Magic Pudding & Trutein Now available on the bb.com store: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/body-nutrition.html
"The supplement business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
-- Hunter S. Thompson
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10-25-2012, 08:11 AM #47
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10-25-2012, 08:13 AM #48Originally Posted by GregW1
Now granted, it's not a wise decision to recommend dosages with a compound that may elicit deleterious effects in susceptible individuals however, he did not recommend any dosage whatsoever. He was merely questioned about his [personal] dosing protocol. At no point did he suggest taking the same dose and in fact.... after I brought up the issue of interindividual variables, he quickly responded by agreeing with me. /rant~
Wherever progression lacks.... regress can be found in abundance.
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10-25-2012, 08:18 AM #49
Do you know who Reed Hastings is? You probably do, in addition to every business-minded individual in this thread.
Founded Netflix. Very intelligent individual - much like you. Netflix is starting to go down the sinker though, not as good as it used to be.
Why? Because despite his ability to run a company that has supplied the populace with a desirable line of services and products, the manner by which he deals with his consumers has been nothing short of deplorable. The price hike last year comes to mind. Shows a wanton disregard for the position of his consumers.
The guy has absolutely no emotional intelligence, in other words.
Greg, it isn't in my place to say, but I'll say it anyway: you need someone to help you run the day to day, someone who can handle the PR, Marketing and Consumer issues.
I mean, would this entire O-ring issue have occurred had you someone around to help you run the place? I mean, it just seems like you're the only one working or supervising in that facility - can't blame you for making that mistake if this is the case.
People will say otherwise, but I think you are extremely intelligent. Your turd of a personality however, has negatively impacted the way people see your business.
Take a note from Cahill and Vaughn. They don't run things on their own, and they actively interact with their customer base.
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10-25-2012, 08:24 AM #50
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10-25-2012, 08:26 AM #51
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10-25-2012, 08:37 AM #52
I think people need to chill about the o ring thing. Worse things have happened...ie fungal meningitis in steroid manufacturing.
Notice no one who actually got contaminated tubs shows up on these threads complaining? Greg took care of us in a professional manner and to our satisfaction. The protein is of very high quality and tastes delicious. I dont know Greg and I dont care what his personality is like. No offence but I think everyone just needs to take a breath and let it go."get your mouth guard out cause I am going in deeeep and dry"
-400lb Gorilla
MFC
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10-25-2012, 08:49 AM #53
When that company found out that their produce was tainted, they shut down production and issued a recall. Bodybuilding.com did the same thing after the whole AAS debacle.
I do think people should back off from the ad hominem arguments, but the part about taking care of his consumers in a professional manner isn't all that accurate.
In response to the queries regarding the O-ring, he essentially responded that the O-rings were edible, therefore, not warranting a recall or a refund of any sorts.
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10-25-2012, 08:57 AM #54
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10-25-2012, 09:00 AM #55
you need to relax.
comparing tainted steroid to an inert piece of tiny plastic/rubber is not a straight across comparison. You do not need a recall for a few tubs that contain something that is not harmful. When 20 people die from fungal meningitis its a little different. My background in this discussion is as an interventional pain specialist who injects steroids daily and as someone who actually received 2 tubs of shamrock trutein....which I strained and ate every last bit. No one ever said orings were edible but I can tell you that tiny little pieces are not harmful.
no offence but you are the exact type of person for which i wrote my paragraph above. You did not get any contaminated product yet you are continuing to speak about them like it was such a terrible thing. If you dont wat to support his company then dont but there is no need to drag anyone under the bus over and over again."get your mouth guard out cause I am going in deeeep and dry"
-400lb Gorilla
MFC
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10-25-2012, 09:04 AM #56
I really could care less about the entire O-ring thing(which is why I haven't commented on it previously), but this is not a correct statement.
If the product differs from the master batch record(ie - contains foreign ingredients regardless of them being food grade or not), it is contaminated. Contaminated products should always be recalled.
Unfortunately, after our strawberry recall I've had to learn a bit too much about recalls.
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10-25-2012, 09:09 AM #57
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10-25-2012, 09:11 AM #58
It contained an incredibly small amount of wheat, and although our label indicated that it contained wheat, it was not listed as a specific allergen.
It was my bad when proofing the label.
The product itself was not contaminated in any way, and we have not a single end user return despite notifying them.
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10-25-2012, 09:14 AM #59
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10-25-2012, 09:18 AM #60
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