"Ron Paul's pointless internet presidency"

**Calhexas** · 03-09-2012, 01:49 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-s-poi...residency.html

Dis bish gonna get slammed...again.

Basically she goes off on Paul's immense amount of online support because it...

A. Slammed her when she tried to talk trash about Ron Paul (she mad)
B. RP hasn't "won" a single state's primary/caucus vote...though (surprise surprise) no mention of delegates.

inb4 RP haters "she's right, she's right!"

**WIJG** · 03-09-2012, 02:01 AM

I agree with the title of her article. The one things that really scares me is that Paulbots tend to have an even stronger emotional attachment to Ron Paul, than Obama supporters have to Obama.

**jackedmayne** · 03-09-2012, 02:25 AM

Uh she's right
Unfortunately, you Paulbots will find something else to cling onto

**NnamdiAsomugha** · 03-09-2012, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by WIJG

I agree with the title of her article. The one things that really scares me is that Paulbots tend to have an even stronger emotional attachment to Ron Paul, than Obama supporters have to Obama.

/thread
always lol @ teh paulbots and their "omfg mainstream media conspiracy , omfg anything bad said about ron paul is high treason"

**devinpb** · 03-09-2012, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by NnamdiAsomugha

/thread
always lol @ teh paulbots and their "omfg mainstream media conspiracy , omfg anything bad said about ron paul is high treason"

Age: 13 lol

How can anyone support anyone else but Paul? We all know if he had even half as much the media coverage as the other candidates, it would be a landslide win.

Show all of the flip-flop mitt bull**** on the mainstream media. Then atleast recognize Paul as a serious candidate, as he is, and well we have a winner ladies and gentlemen. Come at me.

**NnamdiAsomugha** · 03-09-2012, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by devinpb

Age: 13 lol

How can anyone support anyone else but Paul? We all know if he had even half as much the media coverage as the other candidates, it would be a landslide win.

Show all of the flip-flop mitt bull**** on the mainstream media. Then atleast recognize Paul as a serious candidate, as he is, and well we have a winner ladies and gentlemen. Come at me.

a wild paulbot appears

**B.O.L.A.** · 03-09-2012, 02:52 AM

It goes to show how myopic and brainwashed the RP-haters are that they cant understand this one simple fact: it isn't about elections or politics- it isn't even about Ron Paul. It's about ideas, which is a new concept to some people apparently.

**devinpb** · 03-09-2012, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by B.O.L.A.

It goes to show how myopic and brainwashed the RP-haters are that they cant understand this one simple fact: it isn't about elections or politics- it isn't even about Ron Paul. It's about ideas, which is a new concept to some people apparently.

IDEAS

Just making sure people can see this. Because if you're too dumb to still be considering another candidate(and you want to live in a better nation), then you may have other issues as well. Just trying to help.

**gpr777** · 03-09-2012, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by B.O.L.A.

It goes to show how myopic and brainwashed the RP-haters are that they cant understand this one simple fact: it isn't about elections or politics- it isn't even about Ron Paul. It's about ideas, which is a new concept to some people apparently.

This, completely.

**A-GAME** · 03-09-2012, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by B.O.L.A.

It goes to show how myopic and brainwashed the RP-haters are that they cant understand this one simple fact: it isn't about elections or politics- it isn't even about Ron Paul. It's about ideas, which is a new concept to some people apparently.

This. I will rape you now.

**WIJG** · 03-09-2012, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by B.O.L.A.

It goes to show how myopic and brainwashed the RP-haters are that they cant understand this one simple fact: it isn't about elections or politics- it isn't even about Ron Paul. It's about ideas, which is a new concept to some people apparently.

For example, libertarian ideas? Because I'm a libertarian and I don't support Ron Paul. Somehow libertarians existed before Ron Paul and managed not to accuse their ideological opponents of treason.

**WIJG** · 03-09-2012, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by devinpb

How can anyone support anyone else but Paul?

It's amazing how you people consistently parody yourselves.

**betablocka** · 03-09-2012, 03:43 AM

I'm over Ron Paul. Voting Kony.

KONY2012!!!!

**ZenBowman** · 03-09-2012, 05:29 AM

It's a dumb article, but if you get worked up over it you are playing into the stereotype.

It's like a black dude who gets mad that the media is biased against blacks, and therefore goes and mugs someone.

It's dumb, it plays right into the stereotype, you only marginalize yourself.

Don't go looking for dumb articles to get worked up over, it's not very libertarian to insult people you disagree with.

**frasersteen** · 03-09-2012, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by ZenBowman

It's a dumb article, but if you get worked up over it you are playing into the stereotype.

It's like a black dude who gets mad that the media is biased against blacks, and therefore goes and mugs someone.

It's dumb, it plays right into the stereotype, you only marginalize yourself.

Don't go looking for dumb articles to get worked up over, it's not very libertarian to insult people you disagree with.

As you of all people should know though paulbots are not libertarian and they don't really understand what it means. Pretty much my definition of Paulbot - BRB support Paul, don't understand what he stands for

**Forty0zFreedom** · 03-09-2012, 05:48 AM

Can't argue against Ron Paul supporters.

Create term "Paulbot" instead.

How do more people not see through this sht.

**YUL** · 03-09-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Calhexas

(surprise surprise) no mention of delegates.

"

well, he's got an insignificant amount of delegates.....

Originally Posted by B.O.L.A.

It goes to show how myopic and brainwashed the RP-haters are that they cant understand this one simple fact: it isn't about elections or politics- it isn't even about Ron Paul. It's about ideas, which is a new concept to some people apparently.

well, he is running for the GOP nomination, not popularity of ideas...

there are better ways to get your message across than run for GOP nomination

**ZenBowman** · 03-09-2012, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by frasersteen

As you of all people should know though paulbots are not libertarian and they don't really understand what it means. Pretty much my definition of Paulbot - BRB support Paul, don't understand what he stands for

I think some are, but many have adopted this silly tactic of simply attacking people who disagree with them.

One of the key points to making libertarianism succeed is being okay with people you disagree with, learning to live together.

**OhsoClutch** · 03-09-2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by WIJG

It's amazing how you people consistently parody yourselves.

Originally Posted by WIJG

For example, libertarian ideas? Because I'm a libertarian and I don't support Ron Paul. Somehow libertarians existed before Ron Paul and managed not to accuse their ideological opponents of treason.

JIDF detected.

**steelers1377** · 03-09-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by YUL

well, he's got an insignificant amount of delegates.....

well, he is running for the GOP nomination, not popularity of ideas...

there are better ways to get your message across than run for GOP nomination

not really, he wants to get people talking about the issues and different solutions then the mainstream represents.

please give some better examples on how to do this

**ZenBowman** · 03-09-2012, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by steelers1377

not really, he wants to get people talking about the issues and different solutions then the mainstream represents.

please give some better examples on how to do this

He's done all he can do, I think his strategy was pretty good. He has raised awareness and introduced issues few were talking about prior.

Now it's up to his supporters to carry on the legacy, but, in order to do that, they will have to also adopt his attitude and general civility; else, they will become like those they hate.

**YUL** · 03-09-2012, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by steelers1377

not really, he wants to get people talking about the issues and different solutions then the mainstream represents.

please give some better examples on how to do this

dunno lol, hire a PR firm and work on a position and messaging campaign that reaches a wider audience

imagine if Paul had a #1 rated TV show, youtube channel or twitter account, or had sold out appearances in major cities

**ZenBowman** · 03-09-2012, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by YUL

dunno lol, hire a PR firm and work on on a position and messaging campaign that reaches a wider audience

imagine if Paul had a #1 rated TV show, youtube channel or twitter account, or had sold out appearances in major cities

Guess what? He's set himself up perfectly for that.

Nobody has done more to further the cause than Ron Paul, he's built his support, created a niche, now his supporters can work on expanding it. The only thing they need to be careful of is keeping a cool head and not become partisan hacks themselves.

**YUL** · 03-09-2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by ZenBowman

Guess what? He's set himself up perfectly for that.

Nobody has done more to further the cause than Ron Paul, he's built his support, created a niche, now his supporters can work on expanding it. The only thing they need to be careful of is keeping a cool head and not become partisan hacks themselves.

yes, i would just hope RP and his followers organize so they can hire a PR firm or image consultant to iron out a consistent package that's easy to communicate and be understood, like a brand

likelihood of that is low though. too bad

**Calhexas** · 03-09-2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by YUL

well, he's got an insignificant amount of delegates.....

Really? Tell me...how many delegates does he have again?

Originally Posted by ZenBowman

It's a dumb article, but if you get worked up over it you are playing into the stereotype.

It's like a black dude who gets mad that the media is biased against blacks, and therefore goes and mugs someone.

It's dumb, it plays right into the stereotype, you only marginalize yourself.

Don't go looking for dumb articles to get worked up over, it's not very libertarian to insult people you disagree with.

I didn't actively seek this out. It was one of the main stories on yahoo's homepage, which is something I sift through regularly, opening a lot of miscellaneous stuff from time to time. Being a Ron Paul supporter, it obviously caught my attention. I thought it was funny how she basically used this article as a vengeance piece against Ron Paul's supporter base, which she constantly insists is highly organized, but helpless. She claims his support base is small, based upon a total number of votes presumably. Strange how someone who tries to come off as such a qualified and professional journalist doesn't think to mention how many of these states are closed states, meaning only registered republicans can vote, and Ron Paul's primary support comes from the younger age groups, of which the staggering majority is registered democrat and independent. On top of that she doesn't seem to highlight the hilarious number of instances where voter fraud and vote tampering seems to have taken place (because why would she mention that when her apparent cause is to get back at Ron Paul supporters...not actually report any statistical truths).

IMO, it just sounds like she watched some youtube video (just like she claims the majority of Ron Paul's supporters did) incorrectly labeled him a racist (since she appears to admit this is what she did...btw I'd like to know which of the other candidates she supports) and got the ususal RP online beatdown (would think a real journalist worth a damn would've done some better research before throwing out such accusations...then again reading this article...it seems pretty consistent of her not to). Funny thing about that Mrs. Heffernan...people tend to defend a man who has been preaching a message centered around the US constitution much more ferociously than someone who, oh I don't know...done nothing but contradict themselves for 10-20 years (hello Newt/Santorum/Romney and to a degree Obama). Back in the day, such defense was deemed patriotism. These days, it's termed "extremist," "conspiracy theorist", and "bigotry." Weird how things change like that.

Anyways, I thought I posted this, because its just more evidence of a mainstream media source trying to influence people NOT to vote for Ron Paul (his campaign is hopeless so voting for him is wasting your vote...a notion that is unAmerican in itself).

Funny how most Ron Paul haters agreed with her idea. Like I said, those who want to defend his message (not just the man himself) are the real patriots. Those who are voting just to sandbag are the terrified sheep, lacking any real integrity or principles to vote FOR a candidate, rather than AGAINST one.

**ZenBowman** · 03-09-2012, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Calhexas

Back in the day, such defense was deemed patriotism. These days, it's termed "extremist," "conspiracy theorist", and "bigotry." Weird how things change like that.

No, never. Patriotism has always been ascribed to violent warmongers and genocidal maniacs (srs). Peace has never been considered patriotic.

Anyways, I thought I posted this, because its just more evidence of a mainstream media source trying to influence people NOT to vote for Ron Paul (his campaign is hopeless so voting for him is wasting your vote...a notion that is unAmerican in itself).

The MSM is not a singular entity. Yahoo is hardly "the MSM". Lew Rockwell makes posts bashing Obama regularly. He is allowed to. People are allowed to write what they want, say what they want, do what they want. Free speech is libertarian.

Funny how most Ron Paul haters agreed with her idea. Like I said, those who want to defend his message (not just the man himself) are the real patriots. Those who are voting just to sandbag are the terrified sheep, lacking any real integrity or principles to vote FOR a candidate, rather than AGAINST one.

What if someone feels no candidate represents their interests?

**YUL** · 03-09-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Calhexas

Really? Tell me...how many delegates does he have again?

.

47 to 421 @ this stage is pretty bad. game ending bad.

no reason for the prevailing trend not to continue

**joelz54_99** · 03-09-2012, 08:39 AM

Bishes gonna Bish brah

**Calhexas** · 03-09-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by ZenBowman

No, never. Patriotism has always been ascribed to violent warmongers and genocidal maniacs (srs). Peace has never been considered patriotic.

Self defense of your nation is patriotism. wtf are you talking about?

The MSM is not a singular entity. Yahoo is hardly "the MSM". Lew Rockwell makes posts bashing Obama regularly. He is allowed to. People are allowed to write what they want, say what they want, do what they want. Free speech is libertarian.

A. I'd argue that in a world where the internet is becoming a very powerful entity (like she's trying to say), yahoo is a viable mainstream media source for a large population of people. Unfortunately, I don't know what kind of statistics I'd be looking for (CNN/FOXnews vs Yahoonews?). Nor do I really care to look them up.
B. I'm not saying people can't say what they want. I'm saying that if you want to accuse RP supporters of incorrectly accusing the media of slamming RP, probably not wise to do so in an article on a large media outlet like yahooNews that does exactly that...slams RP and his supporters.

What if someone feels no candidate represents their interests?

Well I'd wonder what exactly their interests are, because I'm not sure they're intelligent enough to vote if they can't find one.

**voltio8836** · 03-09-2012, 08:39 AM

As I've proven before, majority of Ron Paul lovers are not libertarian. You can see from my various threads that many ron paul lovers have hints of authoritarianism in them.

-hate media, wants to regulate media
-hates those with differing opinions than ron paul
etc

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