A few weeks ago I found out I have type II diabetes. My Doc says probably my sups triggered it and everything has to change. I am looking for a new Doc. Searches haven't turned up much info. The bulking has taken it hard, the suggested diets suck. Question is, has anyone tested to find out how certain supps affect blood sugar. CEE, swole, different proteins, green tea, anything. So far I have found pure ALA does a great job lowering the levels and GF pro does not raise them. Any help or links would really be appreciated.
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12-09-2005, 02:39 PM #1Tell it like it is!
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Type II am I done? Doc says so !!
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12-09-2005, 02:43 PM #2Supplement Connosueir
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I had my blood tested a few weeks ago while I was loaded with CEE and my blood sugar levels were spot on normal. I was and still am also taking tons of other supps like: green tea, k-r-ala, fish oil, vit c, vit e, ginger, gms powder, taurine, etc.. so none of those appear to effect blood sugar levels. (a least at the doses and frequency I was taking them when tested).
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12-09-2005, 02:43 PM #3Registered User
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i dont know about the supps triggering it....maybe sped it up, but as far as i know type II has genetic/ hereditary roots that trigger it. (not positive but as far as my knowledge goes)
maybe the supps were involved??? but you were predisposed to it anyway...interesting question though....id definitly seek another opinion like you said. they have drugs out there that can help....i know avandia increases insulin sensitivity.......possible result of type II........but again get the extra checkup, dont take this as medical advice or anything....but just giving you an idea that treatments are out there and i really wouldnt say its all over for you. just see what options are out there and do the best you can. good luckLast edited by HomerJ.Simpson; 12-09-2005 at 02:50 PM.
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12-09-2005, 02:49 PM #4Banned
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did you ask specifically what supps caused it and through what pathways these supps caused it?
I bet he'd be scrambling for his medical books if you actually sat down and hammered him for proof that he isn't just talking out of his ass..
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12-09-2005, 02:56 PM #5uberschwert
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I doubt that as well. Most protein powders contain splenda, which does not raise insulin levels.
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12-09-2005, 03:22 PM #6Tell it like it is!
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He couldn't tell me which it was, I took a whole box in and put them on his desk. I honestly don't think he had a clue on some of them, he said Saw palmetto was useless!!. As you said I'll bet he is checking it out as he wrote down all the info. We have a follow up next week and I was hoping to get some good input here so I would have some ideas to go in with.
EFA gold
Biotin
Red yeast rice with CoQ10
Lean green
Grape seed extract
Celery seed extract
Sesamin
Phosphatidyl serine
ALC
Pure ALA
7 keto
Lycopene
Optimen
Diesel test
ActivaTe
Gf pro
CEE
Saw palmetto
Anybody see any bad news here?? No PH's for over a year.If it's worth doing check it twice, do it once, enjoy what you did!
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12-09-2005, 03:34 PM #7Retired Member--CNGSC
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My first thought as well... your list doesnt raise any red flags as far as I can see. What was your diet like?Originally Posted by Mr. Aries-Non-Rep Coalition Member "Bias Free Since 2003"
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12-09-2005, 03:38 PM #8Short, Pale, and Ugly
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There is never one particular factor that results in Type II diabetes. There are a combination of risk factors. Genetics have a role, but not as clear a role as in Type I (specific genes have been isolated that lead to Type I). Risk factors for Type II include insulin resistance, obesity, hypercholesteremia, and hypertension. Determining one particular cause would be difficult.Originally Posted by calibrated
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12-09-2005, 03:57 PM #9Registered User
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It looks like your doing overkill on your supps... how much of mom and dads money are you spending a month????Originally Posted by calibrated
It's most likely genetics and improper nutrition that lead to type II diabetes
I'm guessing your most likely 'overweight', any idea on your body fat %? Most times type 2 is caused by obesity in which cases many people can put it in remission by losing weightCurrent Student of the Dietetic program at Washington State University, Go Cougs!
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12-09-2005, 04:02 PM #10Just the tip
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I'm going to venture a guess that this guy pays for his own supps, because it's not that common for teenagers to get Type-II.Originally Posted by McBurlyPanthers/Tar Heels/Hurricanes/Durham Bulls
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12-09-2005, 04:21 PM #11Short, Pale, and Ugly
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Not common, but not rare either. There is an increasing trend for DM Type II diagnosis in adolescents. The incidence has risen exponentially since the 1990's.Originally Posted by chlaxman
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12-09-2005, 04:39 PM #12Registered User
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Unless calibrated is on a huge AAS cycle most of those supps seem like a waste of money unless calibrated is trying to self medicate for hypertension, high cholesterol, prostate problems, etcOriginally Posted by chlaxmanCurrent Student of the Dietetic program at Washington State University, Go Cougs!
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12-09-2005, 04:42 PM #13Registered User
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The reason I am so skeptical is because he didn't rule out gentetics, obesity or diet in the original post.Originally Posted by chlaxmanCurrent Student of the Dietetic program at Washington State University, Go Cougs!
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12-09-2005, 07:02 PM #14Registered Abuser
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i get hunger cravings on wheat and corn, it may be related to blood sugar problems. you may want to check out what is mentioned about corn and wheat in one of the blood-type diet books (like Live Right For(4) Your Type). i don't know where else the information is presented on these two problematic grains, but they may be contributing factors. i have felt hypoglycemic after corn sugar, and a strange tingly feeling in my extremities on top of that. couldn't tell until i'd gotten off both of those. YMMV of course, but just a thought...
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12-09-2005, 07:13 PM #15Registered User
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lol, somebody doesn't like my harsh but yet helpful criticism?
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12-09-2005, 07:13 PM #16Registered User
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your also taking ala when you were diagnosed with type 2 diabetes??
i missed that before, now it definately sounds like a genetics, obesity, diet related case unless calibrated is one of the very rare casesLast edited by McBurly; 12-09-2005 at 07:17 PM.
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12-09-2005, 07:22 PM #17Tell it like it is!
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To qualify a couple of points. Genetics could be a factor, my grandmother on my fathers side and two uncles on my moms side had it. I am 6' 224lbs and hover around 21% BF I have a decent diet 40-35-25 never smoked or drank. I lift what I consider to be heavy and probably not quite enough cardio. I had to chuckle about Mom and Dads money! I'm the Dad and yes I spend about $200 per month. "Overkill" I was hoping for preventative. No AAS for sure low cholesterol, mild hypertension, "stress", get a PSA and the dreaded finger every year. The thing that stood out this year was low test levels, both free and test, bottom of the score low. I thought I read somewhere that could cause a problem.Originally Posted by McBurly
What would you guys suggest I add or drop out of the supp selection?? Thanks for the answers.If it's worth doing check it twice, do it once, enjoy what you did!
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12-09-2005, 07:35 PM #18Tell it like it is!
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I didn't negative rep you! I'm very interested in all of the input and appreciate even harsh input, it was just and taken that way. I didn't start the ALA until after I was diagnosed, my levels can go as high as 220 after a meal and drop to 130-150 a few hours after. I read about the ALA on the forum and discovered it would knock it down as much as 30 points, also heavy cardio or squats will do the same. I have wondered if the Doc was over reacting, they never did a glucose tolerence test, just an average which he said was high. Anyone could find themselves in the same boat anytime so these Q & A could help someone else.Originally Posted by McBurlyIf it's worth doing check it twice, do it once, enjoy what you did!
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12-09-2005, 07:36 PM #19Registered User
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Thanks for clearing things up. I wasn't trying to be a blatant dick, I'm just a little skeptical with all the young teenagers on this forum. Your bodyfat seems fine, it doesn't look like a big factor here.Originally Posted by calibrated
What kind of test did they run on you?Current Student of the Dietetic program at Washington State University, Go Cougs!
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12-09-2005, 07:41 PM #20Registered User
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No I'm not saying it was you. It was some fellow named 'The Booger'. It tells you who reps you when it happens. Sounds like you might want to do a fasting blood glucose testOriginally Posted by calibratedCurrent Student of the Dietetic program at Washington State University, Go Cougs!
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12-09-2005, 07:44 PM #21Registered User
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Also, if you were taking any of the following drugs it would cause higher than normal glucose levels
Tricyclic antidepressants
Corticosteroids
Diazoxide
Intravenous dextrose
Diuretics
Epinephrine
Estrogens
Glucagon
Isoniazid
Lithium
Phenothiazines
Phenytoin
Salicylates
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12-09-2005, 07:44 PM #22Registered User
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Many forms of severe stress (for example, trauma, stroke, heart attack, and surgery) can temporarily increase glucose levels.
straight from http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003482.htm
a lot of useful info thereLast edited by McBurly; 12-09-2005 at 07:49 PM.
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12-09-2005, 07:49 PM #23Tell it like it is!
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They ran a standard fasting line of blood tests and it showed up at 211. Next at his office was the meter test 123 then something that he called an average that was 200. Even with 8 samples ED, scanned into the PC with Accu-Check, for three weeks he won't reconsider he says 120-130 is too high. By using the ALA or heavy exercise I can get it to a range that makes him happy.
What should I drop or add from my supp list?? Thanks.If it's worth doing check it twice, do it once, enjoy what you did!
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12-09-2005, 07:54 PM #24Registered User
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Ala and exercise will definately help, your best bet would be to stick with low GI foods or buy some bulk fiber and take some with meals that are high in carbs. If I remember correctly 600mg - 900mg ala is the best dose to take with 3 meals with the most carbs in them is the most effective dosing, I need to dig up that chart if I can find it.
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12-09-2005, 08:03 PM #25Registered User
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I really don't see anything that is widely known to affect glucose levels negatively. You might want to contact DS about activate, its the only real new to the scence product.Originally Posted by calibrated
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12-09-2005, 08:27 PM #26Tell it like it is!
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Great link thanks! You may have hit something here! I was told I had this on 11-7-05 and I was secheduled for Hernia repair, Ingunial and abdominal on the 14th. That was a week of stress for sure! But the Bs numbers were OK. Then after surgery I have been on Percoset 325mg x2, 4x ED, Ibuprofin and Ciprofloxan until 12-2-05 It has been hell trying to get a handle on the BS numbers for the last two weeks, this week without the meds it has improved all week. Damn doctor never even mentioned this. You seem to be up on Diabetes thanks for the information.Originally Posted by McBurlyIf it's worth doing check it twice, do it once, enjoy what you did!
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12-09-2005, 09:49 PM #27I pWnZ tHe WeIgHtS
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get a second opinion
btw it PROB wasn't the supps that did it docs like to blame alot of things on them.......but they know nothing about them
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