Misc, Help Me Troll the Police (srs) (gtfih)

[SoggyDoughnut]

WOW, I feel bad. Here I made it seem like cops in new york can kill you and not get in trouble.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/ny...richardsjrneri
that will teach him, he could lose his job if he makes another mistake. (albeit if it is another 'accident' one wonders what the outcome would be)

[Da_Jtac_0]

Exactly.

I am doing nothing illegal, I should have nothing to worry about. There will be nothing in my car that is illegal, therefor they have no probable reason to search my car. If they say they smell marijuana they are lying. I can and will refuse the right to search me or my vehicle without a search warrant.

They can't search your car for smoking a cigarette, claiming they thought it was a joint, neither can they search me for smoking a bong thinking I am using it for an illegal substance.

They can try, but legally they can't, and if they do, they are breaking my civil rights and I will have it all on tape.

I like the idea of doing it right outside the police station, but is this legal to do so? I need your opinions guys. Any other funny places to do it that would still be legal to smoke tobacco?

while this is great logic, i think that any court would back the officer up if he said i assumed the bong was used for drugs because nobody ever smokes tobacco out of a bong.

and if he asks you permission to search then refuse. if he doesn't ask permission it is best not to say you are refusing because this means he believes he has probable cause. if he does though the only thing i would consider saying is, what reason are you searching my car or do you have probable cause to search my car?

[BTBAM]

jakes on u op

wtf?! full vid and story for reps?

[Nolan78]

ib4 police place a pound of green in the back of OPs car then find it

[OatmealRaisin]

while this is great logic, i think that any court would back the officer up if he said i assumed the bong was used for drugs because nobody ever smokes tobacco out of a bong.

and if he asks you permission to search then refuse. if he doesn't ask permission it is best not to say you are refusing because this means he believes he has probable cause. if he does though the only thing i would consider saying is, what reason are you searching my car or do you have probable cause to search my car?

I realize what you are saying, but he has no right to search me for those reasons, not without a warrant at least. It is the same as rolling your own tobacco.

So can anyone help me with laws on filming a police officer? I will not do this without filming for obvious reasons, but if I can get all the info on my rights I will film it all and post it on here. I'll even throw in some misc lingo.

"yeah officer this is my new bong, just bought it, you mirin?"

[TheFatMan]

Exactly.

I am doing nothing illegal, I should have nothing to worry about. There will be nothing in my car that is illegal, therefor they have no probable reason to search my car. If they say they smell marijuana they are lying. I can and will refuse the right to search me or my vehicle without a search warrant.

They can't search your car for smoking a cigarette, claiming they thought it was a joint, neither can they search me for smoking a bong thinking I am using it for an illegal substance.

They can try, but legally they can't, and if they do, they are breaking my civil rights and I will have it all on tape.

I like the idea of doing it right outside the police station, but is this legal to do so? I need your opinions guys. Any other funny places to do it that would still be legal to smoke tobacco?

They will have reasonable suspicion that an illegal activity is/has occurred. Your attempt to block them from searching your car could result in a bunch of things such as: failing to follow a lawful order, hindering, obstruction of justice, etc etc etc.



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[my.self]

lol, OP why do u care so much, srs. ur just like one of those people who walk around in public and film peoples reactions when u carry ur m16 or w/e auto gun around ur shoulder and wait for ppl to call the police on u so u can "practice" ur rights.

[Project_BelAir]

Just going to be wasting your time...

[C411911]

cops are people too who have to feed their families, be a parent, take care of themselves while making a living and you think it's cool to ''troll'' a cop with some stupid ass idea like this? You're a ******* negged.

[Zillionz]

silly crazy white people

[SoggyDoughnut]

Your attempt to block them from searching your car could result in a bunch of things such as: failing to follow a lawful order, hindering, obstruction of justice, etc etc etc.

Not consenting to a search doesn't mean he is physically resisting it. god damn, you should watch some of those 'know your rights' videos.

[Robination]

Not consenting to a search doesn't mean he is physically resisting it. god damn, you should watch some of those 'know your rights' videos.

the cop hate is strong with this one

[OatmealRaisin]

Why am I doing this? Practicing my rights.

We do have rights as people. I am practicing my 4th amendment right. It is not illegal for me to refuse the right for them to search my car. They need probable cause, and me using a pipe for it's exact purposes is NOT illegal. You can't be searched for smoking a cigarette. If an old man was asked to be searched for smoking tobacco out of his corn cob pipe, you can bet he would be mad and refuse the right to search, because HE IS DOING NOTHING WRONG.

I am not dumb, I am not going to physically stop them from searching me. All I have to say is "I do not give you permission to search my car." They know they can't do it at that point without a search warrant, despite what some of you say. What they choose to do at that point is up to them, and is the whole point of this thread.

We need some misc lawyers to inform me on the laws of filming a police officer so we can get this ball rolling

[Da_Jtac_0]

They will have reasonable suspicion that an illegal activity is/has occurred. Your attempt to block them from searching your car could result in a bunch of things such as: failing to follow a lawful order, hindering, obstruction of justice, etc etc etc.

this. it may not seem right, but a reasonable belief is enough to search and will hold up in court, but as long as op doesn't physically try to stop them from searching his car i do not see how he could get in trouble for any of that.
op, just say "i have nothing to hide, but i do not consent to a search." if they try to any way keep your mouth shut and move away from the car. if you have to exit the vehicle close the door when you get out.

do not ge between the officer and the car, and do not touch him whatever you do.

[OatmealRaisin]

cops are people too who have to feed their families, be a parent, take care of themselves while making a living and you think it's cool to ''troll'' a cop with some stupid ass idea like this? You're a ******* negged.

It is their choice to search me dumbass. All I am doing is enjoying some fine tobacco out of my tobacco pipe. They will question it, I will tell them I am not smoking marijuana and refuse to be searched because I am doing nothing wrong, despite what they think. If they continue on with it, it is their decision, so don't get butt hurt *******

[kdog777]

The bong is completely legal for tobacco use. They may be able to get you on disturbing the peace or some other B.S charge though.

The police are just another form of taxation. Freeking pigs sit outside people's jobs hoping to catch them doing 5 over on the way home. But when some perv in my neighborhood is exposing himself to 9-10 year old girls. They aint got time. No love for the po po from me.

Do it op!

[Da_Jtac_0]

Why am I doing this? Practicing my rights.

We do have rights as people. I am practicing my 4th amendment right. It is not illegal for me to refuse the right for them to search my car. They need probable cause, and me using a pipe for it's exact purposes is NOT illegal. You can't be searched for smoking a cigarette. If an old man was asked to be searched for smoking tobacco out of his corn cob pipe, you can bet he would be mad and refuse the right to search, because HE IS DOING NOTHING WRONG.

I am not dumb, I am not going to physically stop them from searching me. All I have to say is "I do not give you permission to search my car." They know they can't do it at that point without a search warrant, despite what some of you say. What they choose to do at that point is up to them, and is the whole point of this thread.

We need some misc lawyers to inform me on the laws of filming a police officer so we can get this ball rolling

i still must say that reasonable suspicion is good enough for them to search your car.

if the officer had reasonable suspicion you kidnapped someone, (muffled noises in trunk), dont you think he should search the car even though it is just a boombox in the trunk because you want it to sound like a kidnapping.

it may not be right without probable cause, but probable cause is just that. if the officer thinks there is a probable chance that their is a crime being commited it is his duty to search the car.

[OatmealRaisin]

this. it may not seem right, but a reasonable belief is enough to search and will hold up in court, but as long as op doesn't physically try to stop them from searching his car i do not see how he could get in trouble for any of that.
op, just say "i have nothing to hide, but i do not consent to a search." if they try to any way keep your mouth shut and move away from the car. if you have to exit the vehicle close the door when you get out.

do not ge between the officer and the car, and do not touch him whatever you do.

exactly.

I do not know how many times I have to emphazise it in this thread. I will not be breaking the law in any way

you can not search someone on probable belief. There needs to be reason. Smelling marijuana is a reason to search a car. Me having a I LOVE WEED sticker and a pot leaf shirt is NOT a legal reason to search my car, despite it being a good reason for him to think I may.

[Baby_Jesus]

yea, until this thread is pulled up in court and everything you did was premeditated

[BeeIsHe]

Op make sure your car is off , not on private property , other then that your well within your rights if they ask to search your vehicle just ask y and deny them the right to search your property .(srs)(exp)

[futureMOUNTIE]

OP has a depressing amount of time on his hands. In B4 the video of you being TAZED/bitten by a police dog goes viral on youtube.

[OatmealRaisin]

And worse comes to worse, they get a warrant, search me, and realize that I was smoking tobacco the whole time, even though they think I am some dumb lying stoner.

I don't understand the negs from some people? I am doing nothing wrong. Many more reps though and I do appreciate that.

We have rights as citizens, right to privacy. Tobacco is legal. I have the right to refuse search of me or my belongings. I will be nothing but cooperative, while at the same time confident and direct about my rights

[lexinak]

I like this idea. This is where I need your help misc. Would this be illegal? I do not want to break the law in ANY way, so would that be trespassing on private property?

You don't appear to be very well-versed in the law or your rights.

Are you sure, for instance, that it is legal for you to record a police officer in any capacity without his knowledge and consent? Because it's often illegal. Is that unfair? Yes. But it's the law and if you've already pissed off the police force you can be sure that they'll press any charges they can get.

[SoggyDoughnut]

the cop hate is strong with this one

Not really, there are good cops out there. Just like there are good judges. But god damn if police abuse 1. isn't being punished and 2. is increasing at an increasing rate. Also, the political system in america is fukt beyond all hope.

[TheFatMan]

Not consenting to a search doesn't mean he is physically resisting it. god damn, you should watch some of those 'know your rights' videos.

As OP states below, he is going to refuse them the search. I would take that to mean that he is actively resisting the search. If they have resonable suspicion to search, they won't be asking/needing consent. Is the OP simply going to say, "No you can't search" and then move? If that's the case then I retract my previous statement of possible charges.

Why am I doing this? Practicing my rights.

We do have rights as people. I am practicing my 4th amendment right. It is not illegal for me to refuse the right for them to search my car. They need probable cause, and me using a pipe for it's exact purposes is NOT illegal. You can't be searched for smoking a cigarette. If an old man was asked to be searched for smoking tobacco out of his corn cob pipe, you can bet he would be mad and refuse the right to search, because HE IS DOING NOTHING WRONG.

I am not dumb, I am not going to physically stop them from searching me. All I have to say is "I do not give you permission to search my car." They know they can't do it at that point without a search warrant, despite what some of you say. What they choose to do at that point is up to them, and is the whole point of this thread.

We need some misc lawyers to inform me on the laws of filming a police officer so we can get this ball rolling

You sitting in a car, smoking *SOMETHING* out of a tool commonly used in an illegal manner provides REASONABLE SUSPICION. Does that mean it does contain drugs? "Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences". No where in that statement does it say they actually were engaged in an illegal activity.

Your statement that they would need a warrant is also invalid. Carroll doctrine allows search of a vehicle without a warrant. You may want to read up more on the law before you make assumptions of what can and can't be done. You bigger legal flaws then the issue of videotaping.

[Da_Jtac_0]

exactly.

I do not know how many times I have to emphazise it in this thread. I will not be breaking the law in any way

you can not search someone on probable belief. There needs to be reason. Smelling marijuana is a reason to search a car. Me having a I LOVE WEED sticker and a pot leaf shirt is NOT a legal reason to search my car, despite it being a good reason for him to think I may.

while you may not actually be breaking the law, it is obvious he will think you are.

if he has a reasonable belief that you are breaking the law then he will search you, and it will hold up in court. im sorry, but that is what will happen.

do you think the judge will see it as some innocent person with his rights abused or an officer who is doing his job to the best of his ability given the situation and the information he has.

if they arrest you or do something else then that is a whole other story.

for the record i support you and think you should go through with it, however, don't expect to be able to say "they searched me without probable cause!"

[my.self]

hey guys, i found OP.

[OatmealRaisin]

I understand what you guys are saying. I think I need to make some things more clear.

I will in NO WAY physically resist

I am not going to be some cocky ass-hole to the cop. I will be cooperative and polite, just simply verbally refuse his right to search my car, which most people would do if they weren't do anything wrong, it is a violation of your rights

I understand a bong looks like it will be used for illegal substance, that is the whole point of this thread. It is legally sold as tobacco, I am using it for tobacco, it is a violation of my privacy to search me for doing nothing wrong

Some of you guys are getting butt hurt and negging without even reading the thread. we have rights for a reason, I am just practicing them

[muckit]

Almost every state in the United States has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a violation or misdemeanor.

From wikipedia, I have been arrested for this before, consulted a lawyer and was informed it is nearly impossible to beat, most likely what they will charge you with when they figure out you are ****ing with them, while I am all for civil rights I just dont think this is a good idea and will be shocked if you don't get charged ticketed for something, which in the long run will just cost you time and money, and in the end you wll be the one getting trolled more than likely, unless the cops are retarded and do some really stupid ****.

[TheFatMan]

I understand what you guys are saying. I think I need to make some things more clear.

I will in NO WAY physically resist

I am not going to be some cocky ass-hole to the cop. I will be cooperative and polite, just simply verbally refuse his right to search my car, which most people would do if they weren't do anything wrong, it is a violation of your rights

I understand a bong looks like it will be used for illegal substance, that is the whole point of this thread. It is legally sold as tobacco, I am using it for tobacco, it is a violation of my privacy to search me for doing nothing wrong

Some of you guys are getting butt hurt and negging without even reading the thread. we have rights for a reason, I am just practicing them

What is the point of this? You tell them no you don't want to be searched, and then they LEGALLY search your car anyway? What's the point of this exactly? What "rights" are you showing or proving?