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09-13-2010, 06:48 AM #121
Last edited by boykid28; 09-13-2010 at 07:45 AM. Reason: date of post
-we are what we repeatedly do. therefore, excellence is not an act but a habit.
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snatch:90kg
clean & jerk:117.5kg
total:202.3kg
oly squat:179.5kg
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09-13-2010, 01:14 PM #122
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No they don't...
comparatively speaking, most of what olympic weightlifters do in training is ballistic, snatch, clean and jerk, pulls, squats, etc. Olympic weightlifting is a ballistic sport. As i metioned weightlifter do strength work during certain cycles but it is never solely the focus of training.
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09-13-2010, 01:58 PM #123
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09-13-2010, 02:32 PM #124
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Not really squinky...
Olympic weightlifters focus on building technical skill, power, then strength. Olympic weightlifters focus on the RATE they can apply force (power), over the absolute AMOUNT of force they can produce (strength). I learned form Shin-Ho Kang a coach who has produced Olympic and World Champions and helped develop the Korean system of training. I also have been/are involved in coaching 2 Olympians (one of whom is a medalist). Either you can't read English or need to re-read my posts. This thread was started due to someone unfamiliar with the sport saying Olympic lifters are weak which they certainly are not (when comparing the world's best weightlifters to powerlifters). So far you seem to think strength and power are the same, which the definitions and equations for each are different. So whose out of the loop...?
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09-13-2010, 07:55 PM #126
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Yeah I did notice it was about beginners and amatuers..Olympic weightlifting is mostly an amatuer sport where lifters live off of the stipends or rewards given to them by their respective federations. It is an amatuer sport on an International level much more so than powerfliting. So amatuer is a relative term. Which brings me back to my original point that Olympic weightlifters focus on developing technique and functional mobility then absolute strength, but do develop strength along the way all with the goal of increasing the rate at which force can be produced. Powerlifting is SLOW compared to Olympic weightlifitng and if you like you can look up the diffrences in the watts of power a maximum effort a Olympic weightlifter produces in a snatch or clean and jerk compared to max effort squat, bench or deadlift.
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09-13-2010, 09:19 PM #127
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09-13-2010, 10:38 PM #128
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09-14-2010, 06:47 AM #129
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09-14-2010, 07:20 AM #130
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09-14-2010, 02:12 PM #131
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Some definitions for you...
For those who don't understand the fundamental differences between Olympic weightlifting and Powerlifitng...
Force= mass x acceleration
Power= Force x Distance, divided by time
Strength= force x distance
simply put power equates to the rate at which one can generate force through a specific period if time (like the amount of force one can generate on a bar to lift it form the floor to overhead). Strength is the amount of force one can generate. Olympic lifting and Powerlifting are polar opposite extremes of these expressions.
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09-14-2010, 03:25 PM #132
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09-14-2010, 04:33 PM #133
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09-14-2010, 04:37 PM #134
because I hate the crossfit-esque elitist attitude held by some olympic lifters
because some people should know better
they should earn respect by doing as such
in the general sense powmongo is correct that the OL lifts have the potential to be faster lifts than PL ones, the snatch is the fastest movement in sports for a reason, however he fails to realize that PLers performing their craft are moving the bar as fast as possible even on grinders, it just so happens that its so heavy the 'slow'-ness is all you see, watch bolton again doing speed deadlifts with 245kg
slow?Last edited by GoJu; 09-14-2010 at 04:45 PM.
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09-14-2010, 04:41 PM #135
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09-14-2010, 04:50 PM #136
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09-14-2010, 05:08 PM #139
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beyond stupid?
Again you fail to scientifically back up anything you say. Powerlifting is slow compared to Olympic weightlifting when comparing power output or watts of power produced. All you can say is that your an engineer and yet fail to understand 4th grade science. Powerlifters do not have to produce the power Olympic lifters do becasue they are not pulling a bar form the floor to overhead (squating under a barbell while it rises) which requires a much more amount of barbell acceleration than powerlifters need to produce. I have coached a world Champion female teenager who at 15 sqauted 463 and deadlifted 429. this same teen went on to Olympic lifting and made 3 Jr. World Teams. So I know the differences of both. Again I will implore you to look up the amount of power (watts) a maximum effort clean and jerk or snatch produces, as compared to a maximum effort bench, squat or deadlift. start with the encyclopedia of weigtlifting by arthur dreschler, or explosive lifting for sports by harvey newton, those books can help you get started.
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09-14-2010, 05:18 PM #140
I have dreschler's book (and again I don't need a physics lesson, I know what watts are), and you're misinterpretting what I'm saying; I'm NOT disagreeing with you that the weightlifter's movements produce more power than the powerlifters but you've changed your tune in the sense that now we're referring to comparison of maximum efforts between the 2 sports vs before when you were discussing the two in absolute terms, the powerlifter is NOT going 'slow' on purpose which is what your original posts implied and what I disagreed with
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09-14-2010, 05:26 PM #141
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09-14-2010, 05:33 PM #142
all I was arguing was that powmongo was wrong to call PL slow in the general sense, in mathematics usually some sort of proof of a theorem's contradiction in one way is enough to prove it wrong in the general sense that's what I sought to do with the bolton vids; if we are going to speed/power output of OL vs PL than there is no question that the OLer is better in that area vs say his weightclass equivalent in PL but that isn't what I was arguing about.
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09-14-2010, 05:34 PM #143
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09-14-2010, 05:40 PM #144
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09-14-2010, 05:42 PM #145
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09-14-2010, 05:56 PM #146
couldn't one argue that if a PL'r lifts the bar slow, the lift just takes a little longer, where as when an OL'r lifts the bar, if he's slow he misses the lift?
Maybe I'm misinterpreting the argument, but in OL speed is a necessity, where as with PL it's not as much.Misc Strength Crew
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09-14-2010, 06:01 PM #147
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09-14-2010, 06:22 PM #148
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09-14-2010, 06:44 PM #149
He never said that PLers were going slow on purpose. He originally said "Powerlifting is SLOW compared to Olympic weightlifitng and if you like you can look up the diffrences in the watts of power a maximum effort a Olympic weightlifter produces in a snatch or clean and jerk compared to max effort squat, bench or deadlift."
Thats true and is consistent with everything hes posted since that comment so Im not sure where youre seeing a change in tune. You interpreted as PLers lifting a bar slow on purpose but powmongo has been talking about force, acceleration, power, etc. and you havent addressed those comments when quoting him, but rather talk about how you dont need a lesson.Last edited by GqArtguy; 09-14-2010 at 06:55 PM.
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