Ask a Christian anything

[Mister_E]

They died off because they were either killed off by the things that they evolved into or they died out because they didn't evolve fast enough. Evolution is a very simple concept i'm sure that you'll understand it one day brah.

Oh, is what you stated fact, or theory?

But, to each his own. If you choose not to believe Truth , but theories , then that's your prerogative

[Jesse7771]

how am I supposed to know that it will fulfill me that much? cause you said so?

what if I read the Bible and nothing happens, is it my fault?

sorry it's my first religious thread, I never get out of the misc

Because if you really go at it with an open heart it will be revealed to you. But if you go in it with a heart of spite expecting your own personal gratification he more than likly will not reveal himself to you.

If you want a relationship with someone then you give them a free choice, you do not say "lve me or i will burn you in hell for eternity". See how many friends you make by going arouns saying "love me or i will lock you up in my cellar and torture you".



All evidence points to evolution, all evidence points to the big bang, and there is no reason why one type of person should have more rights than another.




Then he did a pretty crappy job creating us for that purpose didn't he? I thought god was perfect? 4.5 billion people out of 6.5 million do not love him. They love some other god or do not even have a god.

I never said that if you dont belive you go to hell or if you dont have a relationship. The bible never says that itself. It says that if you have sin you will go to hell. The only way to have your sins removed is to ask him

I understand the (questionable) logic behind it, now I need scriptures for proof. I would figure a teaching so common as this has to have scriptural background

Im still pretty new to the faith but Ill ask some who are a bit stronger in the word than I am to help me clarify

I'll tell you why I don't believe in Christianity (Although I was born and raised Christian) or any other major organized religion for that matter:

1. For the most part any religion you're born into is the religion you will believe in. Does this make it right? Think about that for awhile.

I was not born into it I converted several months ago

2. All major religions point to a similar end; a belief in a higher power. Just because I don't affiliate myself with any particular religion, does not mean I cannot be a morally sound and spiritual person.

The key prinicple behind CHristianity isnt just a higherpower and dont do this and that. It is about a relationship with Christ and how to live in the manner fitting of his disciples.

3. I do believe in a higher power, a God if you will. But I'm not going to go around proclaiming that I know the meaning of life and the true path in life that we should all take, that just seems ignorant to me.

The reason I proclaim him is that I love him. And I love my neighbor. He is the greatest thing I know of, it would be evil of me to not proclaim his name whenever I can.

4. Ultimately I would consider myself I'm agnostic because I believe humans do not have the capability to truly even fathom the greatness of one, all encompassing God.

We do not but he has revealed himself to us. Even the most basic aspect of him-how he is totally infinite we cannot begin to fathom

5. Lastly, lets not forget the history of violence and greed that is prevalent with almost all major religions. Millions have been slaughtered for their "wrong" beliefs, and more die every day. In the end religious zealots cause much more harm than good by forcefully attempting others to convert.

True followers of Chirst would never commit such heinous crimes as such more ppl dragging his name through the dirt

Any thoughts on astral projection/other dimensions?

Also have you seen this thread?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...=guy+meditates

While I do belive that there are different dimensions I dont belive that we can astral project infact I dont think I know of any one personally who does

[AKR]

Worship - is the highest expression of love. I think someone established that it is believed that God's purpose of creating man is to have something that would love Him by free will.

Didn't anyone ever teach you that you can't force someone to love you? That's pure selfishness - to create someone and then try to force them to love you. That's sick.

He doesnt send us to hell for not beliving in him its because we are sinful. And God abhors sin above all.

Wrong. Read your Bible. I mean, the most famous verse even says so.


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

And then:

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Acts 10:43, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.


These verses make it pretty clear that people are saved from hell by believing.

[kraven]

So they find a set a bones possibly belonging to one individual, which can be anything from an ape, to an anomaly ...... that's it? We can find plenty of dinosaur fossils, but barely any fossils to support the missing link. I mean come on... you can't say that the supposed evidence is overwhelming..

Agreed in some sence with regards to this perhaps not be 100% there can be a marging of error in cases as such, However this too can apply to the bible. Now think of the bible written by man. Not god. What do you think about the possibility if this being flawed or missunerstood or interpreted. This is just a feasible or even more so then ever.

Perhaps the bible is more like a guide book for people who constantly need to be told what to do because they can not control themselves and was not meant to be taken so literal. Its a book of stories that explain what: cause and effect. Keep it simple. its about good morals and principal. Doing the right thing. There are many great things that come from the book furthermore there are just as many bad things that have been created because of people not understanding what the book is really saying. Many people refuse to keep an open mind and consider other options and realise there can be more then one meaning for something.

[Large_Emu]

Oh, is what you stated fact, or theory?

But, to each his own. If you choose not to believe Truth , but theories , then that's your prerogative

I don't want to scare you or anything but theism is also a theory.

[Jesse7771]

Ive stated my opinions on evolution, and that I am agnostic towards it.

But there is one thing that makes me as such and that is whenever major adaptions take place there must be periods of millions of years when they are useless.

I mean a foot turning into a fin is understandable. But an exoskeleton turning into a skeletal system seems like a big gap which would not be very beneficial. Major adaptions take very long to take affect, and until they are useful to an orginisim they are detremential to the survivial of the orginism, so by the laws of evolution they should disappear. But they dont they eventually become incredably important adaptions. This does not make seince to me.

The other thing that pushes me away are horseshoe crabs. If every creature slowly adapts to a more perfect form nothing should remain for too long in one state. If evolution is true then the horseshoe crab which has not changed to 100s of millions of years must be the absolute pinacle of biologicial perfection.

[ModsIsMad]

Will answer all questions aside from things like:

"u mad u beleive ina fary tael?"
Or
"u stoopid chistin i hats u!"

Please dont ask any questions that are directed at insulting my religion. Any other insulting questions are fun tho.

out of all the religions, don't you feel that christians and catholics tie for having the gayest religion?

[Mister_E]

Human didn't evolve from apes, brah. They both evolved from a common ancestor.

Yeah, how far should we go back in ancestry ? Isn't part of the theory saying that we all evolved from Fish? So our first ancestors are fish?

[Jesse7771]

Didn't anyone ever teach you that you can't force someone to love you? That's pure selfishness - to create someone and then try to force them to love you. That's sick.






Wrong. Read your Bible. I mean, the most famous verse even says so.


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

And then:

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Acts 10:43, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.


These verses make it pretty clear that people are saved from hell by believing.

You are wrong. You cannot have your sins removed if you dont belive in him. Beleif is a requirement of being saved.

[Jesse7771]

out of all the religions, don't you feel that christians and catholics tie for having the gayest religion?

Howso?

[Large_Emu]

Yeah, how far should we go back in ancestry ? Isn't part of the theory saying that we all evolved from Fish? So our first ancestors are fish?

Yes, then fish evolved into amphibians which then evolved into reptiles.

We know this because of

1) Fossil evidence
2) DNA evidence
3) Distribution of current species of animals

[Mister_E]

I don't want to scare you or anything but theism is also a theory.

Actually, Christianity is not.

[AKR]

You are wrong. You cannot have your sins removed if you dont belive in him. Beleif is a requirement of being saved.

Exactly. Believe is a requirement to being saved from hell. If you don't believe, you go to hell. You have no argument against the verses I posted. Jesus himself said that if you believe in him, you are saved. It's pretty obvious that god cares as much about being loved and believed in as anything else.

Deuteronomy 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."

You don't even know the Bible. I'm quoting scriptures left and right and you have nothing.

[Mister_E]

Yes, then fish evolved into amphibians which then evolved into reptiles.

We know this because of

1) Fossil evidence
2) DNA evidence
3) Distribution of current species of animals

Ok, overwhelming evidence... then why is it still classified as "theory"?

[Large_Emu]

Ok, overwhelming evidence... then why is it still classified as "theory"?

Because people such as yourself pick holes in it based on things you've heard from creationist websites.

It's generally classified as a fact amongst the people who have had a decent education.

Why is theism still only a theory?


What kind of evidence would you like?

[G A B E]

Exactly. Believe is a requirement to being saved from hell. If you don't believe, you go to hell. You have no argument against the verses I posted. Jesus himself said that if you believe in him, you are saved. It's pretty obvious that god cares as much about being loved and believed in as anything else.

Deuteronomy 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."

You don't even know the Bible. I'm quoting scriptures left and right and you have nothing.

When you find God, you will love him. If you do not love God and oblige by his laws, he will not let you go to heaven. In the absence of God, there is hell.

If you do not love him, then you do not want to be with him in heaven, therefore you go to hell (the absence of God)

dont think of it as an angry punishment, but the only other alternative from not being faithful.

[ARNOLD_Layne]

dont think of it as an angry punishment, but the only other alternative from not being faithful.

again, what if I didn't know that I had to be faithful to Him?
what if some jackass from another religion convinced me to join them.. and I spent all my life loving another 'god'. do I deserve your god's hell in that case?
how am I supposed to know that your god is the true one?

[AKR]

When you find God, you will love him. If you do not love God and oblige by his laws, he will not let you go to heaven. In the absence of God, there is hell.

If you do not love him, then you do not want to be with him in heaven, therefore you go to hell (the absence of God)

This does nothing to get around the fact that, according to the Bible, people are tortured for eternity if they don't believe in your god.

dont think of it as an angry punishment, but the only other alternative from not being faithful.

How is it the only alternative? God HAS to eternally punish people? And don't give me that "it's not torture, it's just nothing" stuff.

Matthew 25: 41"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

46"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


Mark 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[c] 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.[d] 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'[e] 49Everyone will be salted with fire.



Revelations 20:10and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And don't lie to me and tell me that god is not angry about non-believers. The Bible makes it very clear that it angers him. He is a vengeful and jealous god.

Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.


Numbers 31:3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.

Isaiah 34:8 For the LORD has a day of vengeance,
a year of retribution, to uphold Zion's cause.

Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

[kraven]

Ive stated my opinions on evolution, and that I am agnostic towards it.

But there is one thing that makes me as such and that is whenever major adaptions take place there must be periods of millions of years when they are useless.

I mean a foot turning into a fin is understandable. But an exoskeleton turning into a skeletal system seems like a big gap which would not be very beneficial. Major adaptions take very long to take affect, and until they are useful to an orginisim they are detremential to the survivial of the orginism, so by the laws of evolution they should disappear. But they dont they eventually become incredably important adaptions. This does not make seince to me.

The other thing that pushes me away are horseshoe crabs. If every creature slowly adapts to a more perfect form nothing should remain for too long in one state. If evolution is true then the horseshoe crab which has not changed to 100s of millions of years must be the absolute pinacle of biologicial perfection.

Most species that "evolve" is due to a genetic mutation. Some species just dont mutate.

[ARNOLD_Layne]

Most species that "evolve" is due to a genetic mutation. Some species just dont mutate.

yes but strong join date to post ratio.
even stronger stats

[CRNAstylin]

I'd like to state my beliefs on how there can be so many people in the world who don't believe, and how there can be so many other religions. Also, this will contribute to the explanation of why people born into a religion tend to follow that religion.


Do we as individuals in a society recognize the weight of our choices? Do people in society today realize that the choices they make have immense and eternal gravity? or do they believe that the choices they make affect them only and have no weight? I would argue that alot of people DO NOT consider the choices that they make. They don't take into consideration that the things they do will affect anyone more than them personally at the present time that they are in.

For example, how often do you think about your decendents, say to the 10th generation? Who you marry, how many kids you have, where you live, etc all will affect your decendents; even to the 100th generation. I believe that what is now a HUGE number of unbelievers began as a small number and simply multiplied from there. We can trace these roots back to Cain, Abel, Enoch, and Seth. This pattern traces out until Noah and the time of the flood, when it happens again.

To illustrate it again, let's say you and 4 friends went to populate a new continent. all friends believed in a different god. Fast forward 1000 years and you would have the beginnings of present day.

[kraven]

yes but strong join date to post ratio.
even stronger stats

Thanks ;-) They tend to reset them after 1 million

[ARNOLD_Layne]

To illustrate it again, let's say you and 4 friends went to populate a new continent. all friends believed in a different god.

but who's right?

[aeons]

Ok, overwhelming evidence... then why is it still classified as "theory"?

I am surprised you are not aware that there's a major difference between theory and a scientific theory.

[Scoundrel]

Exactly. Believe is a requirement to being saved from hell. If you don't believe, you go to hell. You have no argument against the verses I posted. Jesus himself said that if you believe in him, you are saved. It's pretty obvious that god cares as much about being loved and believed in as anything else.

Deuteronomy 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."

You don't even know the Bible. I'm quoting scriptures left and right and you have nothing.

just to clarify, hell is not eternal. the previous post akr made is an example; 'that whosever believeth in him...shall not perish.' The wages of sin is death, and only the saved get eternal life.

[mistadingus]

this is the most ****ing retarded thread i have ever seen unbelievable

[ARNOLD_Layne]

this is the most ****ing retarded thread i have ever seen unbelievable

can we get an Amen

[wheelz_of_steel]

can we get an Amen

Hail Satan?

[Infinit350]

Hail Satan?

holy rep to post ratio batman

[wheelz_of_steel]

holy rep to post ratio batman

Dat dere mod reps brah.