Polish President and hundreds of others die in plane crash

[choppedIT]

My family moved here from poland about 14 years ago. everyone in my fam was hit pretty hard by this. This pres was liked by alotta ppl and seen as a good guy.

not saying russia had anything to do with it, but I can see why people would say that. This president was the one that really strengthened tes w/ USA to one of USA's strongest ally. After the Russian-Georgia incident, poland agreeded to the missle defense shield, which putin greartly opposed. I remember watching news videos few years ago of the president n putin arguing over this. Wierd how putin is now in charge of the investigation of the crash

from what i was told he didn't really have much support in poland and had a very slim chance of getting re-elected

[DerReise]

in a way he is right.

Poland would be better off with Russia as its ally, Remember what happened when Russia banned Polish meat from its stores, Poland went into an uproar, and lost a pretty sum of money.

Russia is closer, it ain't the Soviet Union any more, and good relationship would be quite lucrative for both sides.

Uh, no.

Nobody is saying they are absolute enemies, because they are not. We off that...

However, if you'd understand history in that part of the world you'd understand we have never liked the Russians, and they have never liked us. Blood has been spilled over land and resources, and even though everything is decently alright now, the past won't be forgotten on both sides.

[Sarge.]

Spoken, like a true Russian ******* missing the days of the Iron Curtain.

What does 'days or the Iron Curtain' have to do with anything. You are the ones who are pissing us off, not the other way around.
And i am just being honest, what would the Americans do if Chavez would die? I am sure as hell they wouldn't cry. Same situation here. Your leaders were shiit****s who lived in the past and instead of developing better relations with their neighbors they pissed everyone else instead.

[peteypistol]

whats indonesia got to do wth this?

[peteypistol]

What does 'days or the Iron Curtain' have to do with anything. You are the ones who are pissing us off, not the other way around.
And i am just being honest, what would the Americans do if Chavez would die? I am sure as hell they wouldn't cry. Same situation here. Your leaders were shiit****s who lived in the past and instead of developing better relations with their neighbors they pissed everyone else instead.

luls, notice how poland has no hatred whatsoever towards germany? russians deny they ever did any wrong in WWII at all. it was only a year ago they recognized what they did in Katyn, where the president was going when this happend. russia thinks they own poland n have the right to tell them how to do ****. russia is one of the most corrupt countires out there

[DerReise]

hahah yeah my parents always have stories about communism and they were all good, till the soviet union collapsed thats when **** started getting farked.

You neg me, and then I find this post of yours in this thread.

Don't affiliate yourself with anything Polish, because you and your parents were clearly a victim of Soviet propaganda. Good job, brain-washed child.

[Bials14]

serious cliffs from reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/co...hes_in_russia/

*Marshal of the Sejm - Bronislaw Komorowski - has taken over the competences of president.

*Special government meeting is about to start in Warsaw.

*People start to gathering in front of Presidential Palace in Warsaw to gave their respect.

*96 victims - latest data from the local authorities.

*Journalist aren't allowed to enter the crash site. According to witnesses, plane has been losing fuel just before it hit the treetops and crashed.

*All cultural and sport events in country are canceled.

*Full list of passengers: polskieradio.pl

*Prime minister Donald Tusk is receiving condolences from heads of state from around the world; president of Russia, chancellor of Germany has send a special letters to Tusk.

*National flags are at half-mast. People start to hang flags on their houses, often with black ribbons.

*All main polish portals switched to black and white colours: wp.pl, onet.pl, gazeta.pl, interia.pl, tvn24.pl. Journalist, which were announcing the tragedy in news stations, barely could hold their tears.

*134 persons are working on the crash site. There are 50 units of special equipment.

*Biggest news channel - TVN24 - has started a special live internet broadcast. Watch here.

*All bodies are still in plane's wreck.

*Authorities of Smolensk airport did not recommend to land in that weather conditions, they advised to land in Moscow. Decision to land anyway was made by team on the airplane - said Irina Andrianowa, spokeswoman of local authorities.

*Press conference of Bronislaw Komorowski, who has taken over the competences of president, will start soon.

*Prime minister of Russia Vladimir Putin heads to the crash site - unofficial.

*All polish official prosecutors will immediately receive visas to travel on the crash site to help to investigate - said Russian president Dmitrij Miedviediev.

*More and more people gathers around the Presidential Palace in Warsaw. They bring flowers, light candles.

*Black box has been found - according to Interfax.

*"This plane shouldn't fly. You shouldn't save money on safety" - said Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz, president of Warsaw. "But let's not seek the responsible ones right now. Those who believe in god, should pray" - she added.

*Bronislaw Komorowski announced national week of mourning.

*There were 96 persons on the plane: 88 passengers and 8 crew members - latest official data.

*Poland has been left without army leaders; first deputies are taking over the command.

*Special government meeting is now taking place in Warsaw. It started with a minute of silence.

*Presidential election date should be announced in no longer than two weeks. Elections should took place during next 2,5 months - according to Polish constitution.

*Polish and Russian prime ministers, Donald Tusk an Vladimir Putin, are heading to Smolensk.

*First coffins has been shipped to Smolensk airport.

*Portal onet.pl has started a condolence book.

*Poland is in a deep grief. This can be also felt in the internet. Many anti-presidential websites and ******** groups are closing.

*Russian president Miedviediev is going to make a special speech to Polish nation.

*Polish PM Donald Tusk received condolences from US president Barack Obama during phone conversation. France, Germany, Russia, UK, Italy, Israel... This is only some of the countries, that also expressed their grief.

*When presidential plane was approaching to runway, visibility was less than 500 meters - said local meteorological experts.

*Jaroslaw Kaczynski, brother of Lech Kaczynski, former prime minister and present member of Sejm, is leaving to Smolensk.

*12 April will be a day of national grief in Russia - announced president Dmitrij Miedviediev.

*Bodies of passengers and crew will be transported to Moscow, where identification will take place.

*All black boxes has been found - official.

*Video from the crash site: youtube.com

*Lithuania announced national grief.

*There are 97 bodies on the crash site - said Sergey Shoygu, Russian minister of emergency situations.

*Body of Polish president Lech Kaczynski has been found.

*First coffins are leaving the crash site.

*Polish plane crew did not comply to some orders from the control tower - said Aleksander Alechin, Russian governmental aviation expert. He stressed that plane began to reduce altitude in an unusual way 1,5 km before the runway.

*Almost every TV channel is completely devoted to today's tragedy. There are some exceptions, though. Music tv Viva is playing slow, calm music. Fox Life or Comedy Central without changes. MTV - still the same stupid shows.

*Website of Lech Kaczynski: www.president.pl

[DerReise]

What does 'days or the Iron Curtain' have to do with anything. You are the ones who are pissing us off, not the other way around.
And i am just being honest, what would the Americans do if Chavez would die? I am sure as hell they wouldn't cry. Same situation here. Your leaders were shiit****s who lived in the past and instead of developing better relations with their neighbors they pissed everyone else instead.

Are you serious?

We are pissing "you" off? Sorry, last I checked you are responsible for war atrocities that rival Hitler's, yet nobody talks about it because big old Soviet Russia got nukes and they left the Jews alone so the world doesn't care, as you spared those who run the world. Then, you are going to tell me that WE piss you off? We're not the ones throughout history attacking you, but judged on your posts it's obvious you wouldn't know as you're stuck playing in the sand box.

How do you link us to Russia as Chavez to the US? That doesn't even make any sense. Then you add the cherry on top, we pissed "everyone else" off? Doing what?

You're a failure.

[mr_ben]

vladamir koszlov is using iron curtain as his signature move in wwe.

[Sarge.]

luls, notice how poland has no hatred whatsoever towards germany?

They do.
The reason why they dislike Russia more than Germany is because just like the jews Poland has a free pass to bend Germany over, while Russia refuses to do so.

[-Caucasian-]

You neg me, and then I find this post of yours in this thread.

Don't affiliate yourself with anything Polish, because you and your parents were clearly a victim of Soviet propaganda. Good job, brain-washed child.

Yeah cause we had a good life u mad ? You are obviously upset cause you are calling Russians ***gots. I think you are obviously a victim of American (oh i mean polak) propaganda.



You obviously dont live in poland.


And stop calling current Russians out who had no relation to any of the past matters. Grow up.

[peteypistol]

They do.
The reason why they dislike Russia more than Germany is because just like the jews Poland has a free pass to bend Germany over, while Russia refuses to do so.

umm, no. polish german relations are good. real good.

[Sarge.]

Then, you are going to tell me that WE piss you off? We're not the ones throughout history attacking you.

Save the theatrics for someone else, Poland has attacked Russia many times through out the history, the only difference is that we always came on top, this is one of the main reasons why your whole nation is butthurt.

How do you link us to Russia as Chavez to the US? That doesn't even make any sense.

What's not to understand? Your government doesn't always try to piss ours off with your little stunts? Missiles shields, American Sams near our borders, constant shiit talking, supporting our enemies, etc. You are to us = Chavez to the U.S.

[mr_ben]

jak sie masz?
jestem w warszawie. A ty?
czy mariusz pudzianowski tutaj ablo tu?

[choppedIT]

jak sie masz?
jestem w warszawie. A ty?
czy mariusz pudzianowski tutaj ablo tu?

last sentence makes no sense, i suggest you use a different translator.

[Bials14]

last sentence makes no sense, i suggest you use a different translator.

lol this

[lirika]

no fukc. if you look at polands history, they have prob been assraped the most out of any country. 16% percent of polands population was killed in WWII. thats just fugggin crazy. russias always fukced poland over. My parents would tell me stories how bad it was growing up in Poland because of the communists.

oh yeah my grandma could tell so many stories how ****y it was living under poland when the whole ****ing village had to work for one "pan"( polish guy that owned the village) ****ing feudal system in 1930"s. She could also tell you how polish people constantly repressed Ukrainians closed their schools universities.yeah it was ****y was **** Ok i understand hate for communists but they don't represent russians. Communism is just an ideology you numbnuts. Also if you knew anything about history poland was always aggressive with russian just like any other western European nation. France, sweden, poland, germany all came over to our side in order to start ****. Russian never did that if it did it was only after it was attacked FIRST! No wonder soviet union wanted a buffer zone from centuries of western aggression.


I think people in the west underestimate their level of aggressiveness.

[mr_ben]

last sentence makes no sense, i suggest you use a different translator.

hehe, nope. I am not Polish but i learnt the language a bit. Its kinda hard language. They have different ending for different usage. rite?

i know this : czy pan pali papierosy?ile raz dzien?

mayb wrong. :P

[DerReise]

Yeah cause we had a good life u mad ? You are obviously upset cause you are calling Russians ***gots. I think you are obviously a victim of American (oh i mean polak) propaganda.



You obviously dont live in poland.


And stop calling current Russians out who had no relation to any of the past matters. Grow up.

How did I call all Russians *******s? I said spoken like a true Russian ******* who what? You remember the other part? That's what I thought. Nice try at twisting what I was saying to generalize and make it a national attack and make me out to be a bigot. I clearly quoted you and spoke of those who think like you based on your completely biased and skewed view. Therefore, you personally, deserve the name, regardless of whether you were involved in the past or not. Educate yourself and look at both sides.

Save the theatrics for someone else, Poland has attacked Russia many times through out the history, the only difference is that we always came on top, this is one of the main reasons why your whole nation is butthurt.

Definitely, thanks for informing me as to why my country is butthurt, you know better than me since you're Russian. You win by default. Right?

What's not to understand? Your government doesn't always try to piss ours off with your little stunts? Missiles shields, American Sams near our borders, constant shiit talking, supporting our enemies, etc. You are to us = Chavez to the U.S.

Right again, we do this to innocent little Russia for no reason at all. And to top it off, if a country wants to place a missile shield on their territory, last I checked they are allowed to. Precisely illustrates my point, Russia shouldn't be concerned about things like that when we aren't concerned with theirs. Do you see us saying Russia should stop having nukes? I can't believe you can't even see your own bias and acknowledge it, but instead make it seem like Russia is the victim.

[muscleserge]

oh yeah my grandma could tell so many stories how ****y it was living under poland when the whole ****ing village had to work for one "pan"( polish guy that owned the village) ****ing feudal system in 1930"s. She could also tell you how polish people constantly repressed Ukrainians closed their schools universities.yeah it was ****y was **** Ok i understand hate for communists but they don't represent russians. Communism is just an ideology you numbnuts. Also if you knew anything about history poland was always aggressive with russian just like any other western European nation. France, sweden, poland, germany all came over to our side in order to start ****. Russian never did that if it did it was only after it was attacked FIRST! No wonder soviet union wanted a buffer zone from centuries of western aggression.


I think people in the west underestimate their level of aggressiveness.

Poland occupied Belarus as well, pushing its language onto us. Poland almost always answered the call when some dip**** butt-hurt Russian prince wanted the throne, and sent its army to help him attain said throne, even if he was illegitimate. This started in like the 9th century.

[-Caucasian-]

How did I call all Russians *******s? I said spoken like a true Russian ******* who what? You remember the other part? That's what I thought. Nice try at twisting what I was saying to generalize and make it a national attack and make me out to be a bigot. I clearly quoted you and spoke of those who think like you based on your completely biased and skewed view. Therefore, you personally, deserve the name, regardless of whether you were involved in the past or not. Educate yourself and look at both sides.



Definitely, thanks for informing me as to why my country is butthurt, you know better than me since you're Russian. You win by default. Right?



Right again, we do this to innocent little Russia for no reason at all. And to top it off, if a country wants to place a missile shield on their territory, last I checked they are allowed to. Precisely illustrates my point, Russia shouldn't be concerned about things like that when we aren't concerned with theirs. Do you see us saying Russia should stop having nukes? I can't believe you can't even see your own bias and acknowledge it, but instead make it seem like Russia is the victim.

Strong propagnda knowledge from your puppet state. poland is Americas bitch.

And dont start on the bull**** about the Missile "defence" shield. You think America wasnt concerned when Cuba had Russias **** there ? Same thing. You are just 100% biased. brb being Russia right now and putting missile systems in cuba, i bet the Americas will love that hey.

Which country do you live in right now.

[Goby]

The Prime Minister is still alive and there are backups so it's not like the government is going to collapse. It's not like it was that good anyway. Poland has always had a pretty bad government.

That said I wouldn't be surprised if Russia had something to do with this. Still my family is all shocked, but it happens.

That's what we get for trusting Russian planes. You think since that gov was so close with the U.S. they would be able to spare a Boeing or two.

[Sarge.]

Definitely, thanks for informing me as to why my country is butthurt, you know better than me since you're Russian. You win by default. Right?

So are you saying that most of Poles hate Russia not because we assraped you through out the history? Denial much?

Right again, we do this to innocent little Russia for no reason at all. And to top it off, if a country wants to place a missile shield on their territory.

Of course you can, i never said that you can't. I was just pointing out that we do not like it and that you shouldn't expect tears from us on this whole plane crash accident.

[-Caucasian-]

That's what we get for trusting Russian planes. You think since that gov was so close with the U.S. they would be able to spare a Boeing or two.

It was the pilots fault and /or the presidents if he pressured him to land there and not divert to an alternative.

[MiKey4]

That is absolutely crazy and very sad, I cannot believe it has happened still......

[DerReise]

Strong propagnda knowledge from your puppet state. poland is Americas bitch.

And dont start on the bull**** about the Missile "defence" shield. You think America wasnt concerned when Cuba had Russias **** there ? Same thing. You are just 100% biased. brb being Russia right now and putting missile systems in cuba, i bet the Americas will love that hey.

Which country do you live in right now.

You I won't even respond to, you make no sense. The only point you have is that we side with America. Congrats, it's a good thing.

So are you saying that most of Poles hate Russia not because we assraped you through out the history? Denial much?

Nah man, it's because of how you did it. When was the last time we fought 1 on 1? Who won, do you remember? Every other time it was Russia conspiring with 20 other states against us, don't get me started on that.

Of course you can, i never said that you can't. I was just pointing out that we do not like it and that you shouldn't expect tears from us on this whole plane crash accident.

I didn't say I expect tears from you.

[Sarge.]

Nah man, it's because of how you did it. When was the last time we fought 1 on 1? Who won, do you remember? Every other time it was Russia conspiring with 20 other states against us, don't get me started on that.

[gswarrior510]

you polish ****s are retarded. Yes, Russia would do it ON THERE LAND and NOBODY would suspect them right? seriously..grow up.

[Gordon Bombay]

I'm 2/3 polish. My mom was born in Poland but moved to the US when she was 16. She believes it was set up by the Russians. I think it was an unfortunate accident. RIP to all

Exactly what I thought when I read the headline.

1/2 Polack here..not that it matters

[Goby]

It was the pilots fault and /or the presidents if he pressured him to land there and not divert to an alternative.

Hey I'm not pissed, I like the way Putin does business.

But yeah the President was a moron so that wouldn't surprise me. Still, putting everybody on the same plane, lol Poland.