This is not a zero carb diet, it's low carb, and you should be eating lots of green veg. If you have half your plate piled with spinach and broccoli, you won't feel you are eating too much meat. Skip the orange, load up on green beans or avocado or cauliflower or cabbage or lettuce or celery etc.
Feeling crap the first few days is normal.
Your calories might be a little on the high side, unless you are sure about your maintenance. But your fat is high, so just ease up on the mayo and you'll be fine.
Try eating more real food and less protein powders. Eggs are a great breakfast/
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Thread: Step By Step Keto Diet Plan!
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10-07-2009, 01:43 AM #171165% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-07-2009, 09:36 AM #1712
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Thanks. I didn't eat any mayo. I don't like mayo, it grosses me out unless in very small thinly spread quantities mainly just to keep the bread on my sandwhiches from being too dry.
I eat a lot of calories because I want to get big. The first 6 months I worked out I didn't gain 1 pound. Probably 2 or 3 months of it was with no supplements too. Then I started taking protein and still didn't gain weight. So I read a couple books and a lot online and figured out my diet was a joke. Not only was it terrible health wise but it was not nearly enough food which was why my body was refusing to spare any calories for muscle growth.
After I started eating like crazy til I got sick basically I quickly started to gain muscle and fat at about 2:1 ratio muscle to fat. Put on about 15 lbs in 3 months.
That's why I've been eating a lot of calories. I'm now at 178lbs and I still want to be a minimum of 200lbs if not 210 at 6ft tall."Lieing is the most fun a girl can have without taking her clothes off."
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10-07-2009, 09:42 PM #1713
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Okay I'd like some feedback on the Keto Diet that I recorded on paper today, all the important figures are enclosed:
Meal #1
2 Eggs (fried)
5 Bacon Strips
Calories: 315
Fat: 24g
Carbs: 2g
Protein: 24.5g
Meal #2
2 Cajun Sausages
Calories: 380
Fat: 28g
Carbs: 4g
Protein: 26g
Meal #3
1/2 Cup Cottage Cheese
Tuna (Can)
Mayo (1 Tbsp)
Calories: 320
Fat: 16.5g
Carbs: 6g
Protein: 38g
Meal #4
Cheddar Cheese (1 Slice)
BH Buffalo Chicken (2 Slices)
Calories: 240
Fat: 8g
Carbs: 0g
Protein: 18g
Meal #5
1/2 Cup Cottage Cheese
Cheddar Cheese (1 Slice)
BH Roast Beef (2 Slices)
Calories: 360
Fat: 11g
Carbs: 6g
Protein: 34g
Post Football Game Treat :-D
1 Bud Light
Calories: 315
Fat: 0g
Carbs: 6.6g
Protein: 0.9g haha, god bless beer, totally a sick source of protein!
Meal #6
Natural Peanut Butter (2 Tbsp)
Calories: 200
Fat: 16g
Carbs: 6g
Protein: 7g
Daily Total *Please let me know if I fudged my math! I rounded numbers up, no big deal*
Calories: 1,925
Fat: 103.5g
Carbs: 31g
Protein: 149g
My goal is ultimately to get cut, and there will be toning in the process as I'm really only doing cardio and going through the motions when I hit the weights, aka I'm not trying to bulk up.
I'm 5'10-11" and currently weigh 205 lbs (FAT!), over the next 6 months I plan on getting back to my ideal 160-165 lbs. The amount of protein I consumed should be right on the money because my lean body mass is somewhere in the range of 135-145.
So again I ask, are my carbs too high or too low, and keep in mind that once I get into the swing of my lifting routine I will be having a carb laden protein shake afterwards so please let me know how my diet will change/shift on lifting days with the addition of said shake. Also, how does my fat intake look? Too high or low? What about my calorie intake? Is it too low for weight loss at this point in time? Or should I be trimming it more?
Please feel free to leave insightful feedback. I really don't know that much about Keto and I can't emphasize enough how badly I want to do it correctly and have it work for me.I like stuff.
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10-08-2009, 08:02 AM #1714
Let's see, you have beer but absolutely no vegetables??? FAIL.
Come on. You know that keto is about eggs, meat, fish and lots of green veg. Post workout, you have a whey shake. NOT BEER.
31g of carbs would be fine if they were coming from broccoli, spinach, lettuce, celery and green beans. Coming from sausage, buffalo wings, peanut butter and beer, absolutely not.
You don't need a "carb laden" shake. 30g of whey and about 10g of dextrose is plenty.65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-08-2009, 01:43 PM #1715
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Don't sell me short Eileen, it wasn't buffalo wings, it was boars head buffalo chicken from the deli, hardly better but still. And of course you are right I should get more veggies, I just don't have any at the moment, I need to run to the store. And the beer was a post football game thing, me and some friends went to get a beer afterwards. I opted for a bud light because I know how light they actually are. I wasn't implying that it was a source of carbs, I was simply noting it.
Anyways, what are some good veggies to get to eat on the reg for this keto diet?I like stuff.
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10-08-2009, 03:11 PM #1716
No shortage of good keto veg. Avocado, aubergine, asparagus, broccoli, bokchoy, brussel sprouts, beet greens, courgette, cabbage, cauliflower, cucumber, celery, dandelion, fennel, green beans, garlic, leeks, kale, lettuce, mangetout, mushrooms, spring onions, baby sweetcorn, radish, rhubarb, pumpkin, pepper, olives, nettles, turnip tops, watercress, spinach........
65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-08-2009, 07:16 PM #1717
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Shouldn't you be eating more protein than 150g a day?
Alcohol kills testosterone levels, boosts cortisol levels (cortisol breaks down muscle) and messes up your sleeping patterns. I'd say avoid alcohol as much as possible if you want your workouts to mean anything."Lieing is the most fun a girl can have without taking her clothes off."
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10-11-2009, 11:55 AM #1718
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I don't agree. The protein wouldn't do that. Only if you add carbs.
I have done this now for two weeks blind and am halfway my first carb up.
During the two weeks, I had a PWO, consisting of optimum Whey with water. Although I have no Ketostix yet, The taste in my mouth and confirmation by my mirror, calipers and scale suggest I have been doing well.
No milk, however in the normal PWO's... and definitely not the Dextrose blocks I use right before the PWO after the depletion workout.
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10-11-2009, 11:57 AM #1719
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10-14-2009, 09:22 AM #1720
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I must be missing something here. How did you come up with 206g of fat? I dont see an equation that explains how you came to that number.
Also...
"Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday. Now the next important issue to address is how many carbs. Some lucky individuals find that they eat whatever they want for the 24-30 hour time interval and receive perfect glycogen compensation, while others rely on a better statistical number.
What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg."
Where did the conversion factor come from? Is that a set number or is this determined by some other factor?Last edited by GaresTaylan; 10-14-2009 at 09:29 AM.
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10-14-2009, 07:18 PM #1721
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10-14-2009, 07:26 PM #1722
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10-19-2009, 09:48 PM #1723
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10-20-2009, 06:18 AM #1724
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10-20-2009, 10:31 AM #1725
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10-21-2009, 07:58 AM #1726
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10-26-2009, 11:43 AM #1727
Ok, I am really close to starting this keto, but I HATE most vegetables. I like green beans, corn and potatoes, and salads. I cant stand broccoli, asparagus, those nasty lil balls of green things that look like the jolly green giants testicles. I do like leafy spinach, but cooked spinach makes me heave. So... My question is, with only liking those veggies, can I successfully be on KETO??
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10-26-2009, 12:16 PM #1728
Green beans are a great keto veg, and any sort of spinach is fine. It doesn't have to be cooked. You can experiement with different veg, you are bound to find some you like. Aubergine is a good keto veg, even though it's not green, and it's a great way to get in extra fats. Also avocado, or courgette, or fennell, or peppers, or baby sweetcorn (not the corn on cobs). Rhubarb is technically a vegetable, although it thinks it's a fruit.
Cauliflower is good too. Cook and mash it and eat it with butter or cheese and you won't know it's not spuds.65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-26-2009, 12:27 PM #1729
hmmmm.... SO could I just eat a boatload of green beans? The texture of food is what gets me. I find that if I can somehow get it to the point of not being able to FEEL it when I chew i can eat *I know that is strange*
And just to be clear.. Basically stay away from bread and grains right?? Except after a workout at which point carbs are "ok'... My main goal is to cut down about 10 more pounds (I have lost 6 already in about 10 days with my current diet) And bring by BF down, I am not very high now just not where I want to be. I have been lifting/exercising for a solid 2 months now 5 days a week minimum (sporadically for the last 5 years, kids will do that haha), but just recently started to change my diet, like I said about 2 weeks ago at most.
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10-26-2009, 12:42 PM #1730
Green beans are fine. You can make soup out of your veggies if you have a problem with the texture. Your little green balls that you hate make an amazing soup when boiled in chicken stock and blitzed in the blender. Sprinkle with a little blue cheese and you won't even know there are vegetables in there.
No bread, no grains, no oatmeal, no fruit, no milk, no sugar, no junk or processed food, no root veg. No tranfats. Bread, grains, root veg, fruit, low fat dairy etc are fine on carb-up, but not on keto days.
Typical keto meals are eggs for breakfast, fish and salad for lunch, steak and veg for dinner, nuts or cheese for snacks, whey after lifting.65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-26-2009, 12:45 PM #1731
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10-27-2009, 07:05 PM #1732
Thinking of trying this, But I have a limited budget.
This is my usual weekly grocery list, because It is cheap and I like it:
2 3lb bags of frozen chicken breast
giant bag of frozen broccoli
3 tubs of cottage cheese
64 eggs
oatmeal
I use whey after workouts
meals usually go:
meal 1
8 egg whites
2 tbsp peanut butter
1/2 cup of oatmeal
meal 2
1 cup cottage cheese
1 cup broccoli
meal 3(post workout)
scoop of whey
1 cup broccoli
meal 5
6 oz chicken breast
2 cups broccoli
meal 5
2 scoops of whey
1 cup broccoli
1 tbsp peanut butter
meal 6
1 cup cottage cheese
2 cups broccoli
It has been working well alright, but i do a lot of cycling and minor lifting because of a few medical issues that hinder me from lifting heavy and I have had to eliminate doing leg work altogether.
Can I fashion what i already buy into a keto plan? Cut out the oatmeal and eat a ****ton more peanut butter? I have other condiments around that are full fat, I just don't use them.
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10-28-2009, 04:15 AM #1733
Losing the oatmeal and eating whole eggs will help a lot. You'll save a fortune on eggs if you are eating 3 whole eggs instead of 8 whites.
Also, don't buy chicken breast unless you get an amazing deal on it. It's the most expensive and least fatty part of the chicken. Thighs are a fraction of the price, and much better for keto. Same with drumsticks. Or even buy a couple of whole chickens and roast them yourself.
Post workout, take whey only, no broccoli, it will slow digestion.
In general, try taking peanut butter with your cottage cheese, to balance the fat and protein.
Cycling on keto should not be a problem unless you are in race training. On a bike, it's very easy to adjust intensity to whatever you need.65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-28-2009, 07:39 PM #1734
wow people i had a read on this subject,
i got to tell you i am new to this type of diet, i been eating clean high protein medium carbs and low fat, little or none saturated,
now this diet its something else sounds like a pleasure diet
all my foods taste like ****, cus i cant use fat food without fat taste ****,
you people sure this works?
makes ma think ill be a fat b....ard if i start it,I was Born with Beast Mode ON
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10-28-2009, 08:25 PM #1735
I hard boil all my eggs and eat the 8 egg whites because its more food and makes me think I'm getting more than I am and don't feel like I need more food. And I get the bags of chicken breasts for $2 each.
Even if i took out the oatmeal I feel that my carb count would still be more than it should be. The cc is 5 g carbs for 1/2 cup that's 20g a day plus the 4g from each cup of broccoli for 24. And 2 tbsp serving of pb is 7g. As is now without the oatmeal I'm over 50. I weigh 150g so I cant go over 68. After the calculation I would need 193g of fat. I have no idea where I would get all that. so far if I kept things the same I would have 18 from the cc, 24 from the pb, if i did 8 whole eggs a day that would be 40. Which all adds up to 82, well over 100g short. HOW DO YOU PEOPLE DO THIS without crazy shooting over 500 less than maintenance?
This makes my head hurt.
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10-29-2009, 04:50 AM #1736
Don't even bother counting the carbs in green veg. They are so low they are negligible. Cottage cheese does have carbs, but it's low, so unless you eat a ton, it's not a problem. Peanut butter can be a problem from some people. It's delicious, but it's a lot of calories for very little food. Try eating raw almonds instead. Better quality nuts, and lower carbs.
65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-29-2009, 07:49 PM #1737
I think i got confused with the myriad of numbers in the first post about the calculations. Does this look right?
I weigh 150lb and 15% bf
maintenance about 2250 so 1750 for the start.
Lean mass = 127lbs
Calories per day = 1750
Protein calories per day = 540
Fat calories per day= 1210
Protein g per day = 135g(just to go a little higher)
Fat g per day = 134g
134 is much more manageable than the 193 i had originally calculated. I could easily just add stick of butter into my daily routine and be on my merry way(theoretically).
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10-30-2009, 05:58 AM #1738
I had the same question - I looove Cottage cheese and have one cup, or even 1 1/2, that's 10 or 15g of carbs a day. I simply am not ready to give up something that is not unhealthy and not even really that fattening, just to be far under 30g carbs a day. Thanks to Eileen I was encouraged to eat more greens (which I loved anyway) and I realized that this really helped me in body recomposition, because when I was restricting veggies, I automatically binged on high fat foods, because what else is left when you have to limit your carbs and your protein.... FAT ! And I'd end up drenching turkey ham in olive oil, binging on butter, cheese.... well, it made me gain back some of the belly fat I had lost the previous week. All for nothing. I hadn't even enjoyed it as much as the CC and the result was also bad.
So go ahead, eat your veggies and watch only the carbs in cottage cheese.
Another tip I can give you:
Sprinkle fibre like Psyllium over the cottage cheese -this slows down absorption.
PS: I get about 25g of carb/day (if I was to count the veggies ~10g for a huge amount, even including broccoli)Last edited by Psyfactor312; 10-30-2009 at 06:03 AM.
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10-30-2009, 07:30 AM #1739
Also, don't forget that full fat cottage cheese is lot lower carb than the low fat stuff. Shop around, there are differences. For anyone on this side of the Pond, Lidl full fat cottage cheese has 2g of carbs per 100g. And you can get similar amounts in some of the Polish shops.
65% fat, 30% protein, 5% carbs = keto.
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10-30-2009, 09:22 PM #1740
Question
my stats
180lbs
dead lifting 300
bench with dumb bells 100
leg press 250 (i havent started heavy legs yet)
row 150 a arm
i have been lifting for 3 months now with 200 grams a day of protein i just started keto 2 days ago no like 100-150 grams protein a day and all my vitamins my bf is like 9-12 percent but i do have a 6 pack in the right light ha
i started my keto two days ago.
i dont think i am getting enough calories cuz i have been just craving food.
i ate
3 scrambled eggs with bacon in it.
maybe 4 oz steak
my multi vitamin and zinc, mag, fish oil, BCAA
and 8oz skim milk
lunch i had a double cheese burger no bun with ranch on it and broccoli
snack i had a whey shake
dinner i had 3 4 oz chicken with cheese and ranch a ton of green beans with butter
i think 2 small romaine lettuce salads each with one hard boiled full egg or 2
then i had another 6-10 oz skim milk and more lettuce chicken ranch
some almonds and peanuts but not even a full serving
i also had a 220 cal muscle milk
i eat my protein, just about 150 or more grams
my water intake was 1.9 gallons
i had the rest of my vitamins and i only had 30-35 grams of crabs including the liquid protein shakes and the nuts
could someone just LET ME KNOW IF I AM DOING SOMETHING WRONG ? THANKS
or is it just my body reacting to the new diet ha
i plan on doing my 1st carb up a day after my brain fog happens. i am only 2 days into the new diet and have already seen me lose maybe a pound but i already and more vascular than before.
I am going to stick to it for at least 3 weeks and it really is harder than i thought it would be but i want to do it badLast edited by jwblack; 10-30-2009 at 09:25 PM.
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