As with everything, it's dose dependent but EPA can negatively effect the immune system and if you have certain medical conditions it may excaerbate them as well. Likely, not a concern for most and I don't see any particular reason to avoid DHA as any issues it may have would be applicable to other pufas.
I've seen the same precautionary warnings to avoid any particular substance given its relative(by comparison) lack of research. I never see any specific concerns addressed though and certainly none that would not also pertain to its analogs.
I have a fair bit of experience with idebenone throughout several years of use. The nootropic effect is moderate and I would liken it to ALCAR in terms of effects. Improved concentration and reduction in mental fatigue. Quite evident near the end of the day as I can still maintain focus on tasks at hand. Also seems to have an potent anti-inflammatory effect. DOMS is significantly reduced. I also read that it was used in various lotions and it could protect against sun damage. I've used it to treat sunburns and there is a noticeable reduction in redness and inflammation. If used prior to sun exposure and especially in conjunction with a sunscreen then it completely abates any sunburn, whereas sunscreen alone wouldn't. Typically use 100mg 2-3 times per day with a meal preferrably high in fat. In comparison, 600mg of CoQ10 elicited no discernable effects hence my preference towards ideb.
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01-21-2009, 10:19 AM #91Yes, there is indeed a deeper component to it all.
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I am in class so I will find it later, but I believe there is a recent study showing that ingestion of DHA along with EPA will hinder the anti-depression/mood enhancing effects of EPA
600mg of CoQ10 is on the high end, no? I must say I am intrigued by your review and will definitely try it and try and compare it with 100mg ED Ubiquinol.*~=Gator Nation=~*
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Here's someone's antiaging stack.
Pharmaceutical - Nutritional
Daily/E.O.D or Weekly/Monthly*:
Glycation Breakers:
Alagebrium chloride (ALT-711) 50 mg (w/f)
N-Acetyl-L-Carnosine eye drops 4x each eye
N-Acetyl-L-Carnosine 500 mg (w/f)
Telomere Lengtheners:
Carnosine 500 mg (w/f)
TA-65 25 mg
Glycation Inhibitors:
Benfotiamine 300 mg (w/f)
Pyridoxamine 300 mg
Mitochondria Antioxidants:
Chlorophyllin 400 mg (w/f)
R-Lipoic Acid (from na-rala/rala/rmct/sr) 450 mg
R-Dihydrolipoic acid 150 mg
3-Carboxy-3-Oxopropanoic acid 300 mg
SOD Upregulators
Deprenyl 1 mg (w/f)*
Rasagiline 0.5 mg (w/f)*
Bacopa 50% 300 mg
GliSODin 100 mg
Wolfberry 20% 100 mg
Mitochondria Upregulators
N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine 1 gram
Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate 1 gram
Propionyl-L-Carnitine 1 gram
Idebenone 180 mg (w/f)
Mitoquinone 50 mg (w/f)
Ubiquinol 200 mg (w/f)
Ubiquinone 50 mg [water soluble]
Decylubiquinone 50 mg
Cellular Membrane Agents
PPC (PhosChol, Lipostabil) 900 mg (w/f)
Centrophenoxine 500 mg (w/f)
Nootropics:
Piracetam 2,400 mg
Aniracetam 750 mg (w/f)
Oxiracetam 800 mg
Hydergine 2.25-5 mg (w/f)
Vincamine 10 mg (w/f)
Vinpocetine 10 mg (w/f)
Oxopocetine (vinpocetine citrate) 10 mg
Pyritinol 400-800 mg
CDP-Choline (Citicoline) 500 mg
Alpha GPC 300 mg
Desmopressin (Vasopressin) 2 sprays*
Brain Nutrients:
L-Huperzine A 100 mcg (w/f)
Galantamine 4 mg (w/f)
Cytisine 750 mcg*
Japanese Pharmaceutical Grade Ginkgo Biloba extract 120 mg
L-Theanine 500-1,000 mg
Lithium (as orotate) 20 mg (w/f)
Forskolin 100 mg
Methylcobalamin 30 mg
L-Methylfolate 1.6 mg
P-5-P 100-200 mg
L-Glycine 3-5 grams (w/f)*
Ashwaganda 450 mg
Myo-Inositol 5 Grams*
Scyllo-Inositol 1 gram
Antioxidants:
Trans-Resveratrol 250 mg (w/f)
Melatonin 1 mg (w/f)*
Tocotrienols 125 mg (w/f)
Immune:
Biostim 2 Courses a Year
Imm-kine 1 Course a Year
DENTAVAX 1 Course a Year
RESPIVAX 1 Course a Year
UROSTIM 1 Course a Year
Russian Choice Immune 1 Course a Year
Shark Liver Oil 1-2 grams
Lactoferrin 2-3 grams
Monolaurin 1-2 grams
Isoprinosine 1 gram
Thymic Protein A 1 Packet
Dietary Supplements:
Ortho-Core 9 caps [even days] (w/f)
LEF Mix 9 tabs [odd days] (w/f)
Sulfur (as MSM) 1,023 mg (w/f)
TMG citrate 1-2 gram
Whey Protein 20-40 grams
EPA/DHA (from Omega 3's-Fish Oil) 2.6 grams (w/f)
Vitamin K2 15 mg (w/f)
Serrapeptase 6 tablets
Adapton 2 softgels
Polaprezinc (Zinc-Carnosine) 150 mg (w/f)
Strontium (citrate) 227 mg (w/f)
Silicon (Orthosilicic Acid) 6 mg (w/f)
L-Taurine 2 grams
Astaxanthin 4 mg
Cordyceps 1 gram
Creatine 1 gram
D-chiro-Inositol 1 gram
Creatine Ethyl Ester 1 gramwww.cognitivenutrition.com
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PEA 750 mg caps: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/uniq/peaultra.html
PEA Dosing: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=261217881&postcount=1379
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Excellent idea for a thread!
Semi related. I plan on starting a vision stack shortly once I find a good eye doctor to give me my baseline score. My night vision and light glare is an issue.
Here's what I plan to take for 6 months:
LEF N-Acetylcarnosine eye drops
LEF Super Zeaxanthin with Lutein & Meso-Zeaxanthin
AOR Vision Support
Anyone have any additional suggestions?www.cognitivenutrition.com
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PEA 750 mg caps: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/uniq/peaultra.html
PEA Dosing: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=261217881&postcount=1379
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I don't know if you already take it or not, but a protocol very similar to the ACES+B and minerals regimen in extremely high doses helped slow the progression of age-related macular degeneration. I would probably refrain from the extremely high doses part though.*~=Gator Nation=~*
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I need new laptop and would have contributed to this thread by now I am sure... maybe getting one this weekend... I take quite a few health-based as products so when I get a chance I'll post something... I do use AOR's vision support and the Ortho Eyes which I think most recommend over the LEF product as it is purer without the added vitamins, which some recommend avoiding in an eye drop topical... the postive studies used a pure N-Acetylcarnosine like Ortho Eyes and anything else added may interfere with benefits.
Also, see my sig... insulin control is a big player in the anti-aging/health community. Ortho Glucose II looks like one of the most promising products in that regard I have seen... it was just released.
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I must be mistaken then... Apologize for that. Maybe they have a new formula now with their brite eyes III or it was another product.
Ortho Glucose 2 and Ortho Sleep look very, very good. I was let down by ortho glucose 1 as it didn't live up to my expectations, but this one is much improved... I'll be using it as I begin to cut in the coming months, as part of a healthy approach.
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Yeah, thanks. I will def. get back to you guys on this... I'm lovin' the profile and will be using it, as i say, on my upcoming get lean plan. Any logs I do during this time, I will mention Ortho Glucose. I really like it as something with an anti-aging/health-based approach to getting and maintaining lean mass... not a bad idea for those who train year round and do so as a lifestyle.
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