Why is it always Jordan vs LeBron and never Kobe?

[MyGhettoFantasy]

There has not been another Jordan. Who knows if there will be.

He is the best thing to ever happen to the league. You can dispute whether you think James is the better player. You can't dispute that Jordan is the standard.

10 years from now the nex big name post James era will be compared to......Jordan.

[ninetynine8]

It’s a pretty irrelevant detail, leg kicks come and go with fashion, Kinda like “steps” in Olympic taekwondo, every four years there are new steps, so what? Fed competed in the Golden age of MMA, in the flagship heavyweight division. Hw mma is dead, been dead for a ping time, like in boxing.

no it's not ****ing 'irrelevant'

you can't compare it to other sports that have been around for much longer. Modern fighters would destroy prime fedor in the first round. That isn't the same for boxing, lennox lewis would demolish usyk for example

[kusok]

no it's not ****ing 'irrelevant'

you can't compare it to other sports that have been around for much longer. Modern fighters would destroy prime fedor in the first round. That isn't the same for boxing, lennox lewis would demolish usyk for example

Just means you never sparred with pros. We always talk about stuff like this in between rounds, and actual fighters say fedor beats everyone at his prime. Would be tough vs jones etc. but fed is the favorite. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just telling you what actual fighters say.

[ThatGuy950]

Just means you never sparred with pros. We always talk about stuff like this in between rounds, and actual fighters say fedor beats everyone at his prime. Would be tough vs jones etc. but fed is the favorite. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just telling you what actual fighters say.

Didn’t read entire thread so maybe this was already said, but people always forget the rule changes from Fedor’s peak to the current era, it was 10x more brutal back then and today’s fights are nothing like that.

Doubt we will ever see another Fedor or Jordan srs, microplastics have obliterated test levels

[ninetynine8]

Just means you never sparred with pros. We always talk about stuff like this in between rounds, and actual fighters say fedor beats everyone at his prime. Would be tough vs jones etc. but fed is the favorite. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just telling you what actual fighters say.

fedor would have nothing for ngannou. Sent to the shadowrealm in 10s


if prime fedor vs 40 year old ngannou was booked, ngannou would be a -400 favourite.

[ninetynine8]

Didn’t read entire thread so maybe this was already said, but people always forget the rule changes from Fedor’s peak to the current era, it was 10x more brutal back then and today’s fights are nothing like that.

Doubt we will ever see another Fedor or Jordan srs, microplastics have obliterated test levels

Yes... Because of the rules

Jon Jones would be ****ing crazy scary with those rules. No one would have a chance

[kusok]

fedor would have nothing for ngannou. Sent to the shadowrealm in 10s


if prime fedor vs 40 year old ngannou was booked, ngannou would be a -400 favourite.

Mgannou would not be a favorite vs any of fedors top opponents at their peak, big nog, crocop, probably would get leg subbed by Barnett too, prime Alex ktfo Francis also. And fedor played with Alex. Fedor used to box world champs in training and k1 champs and Olympic wrestlers and muay thai champions. You are just young. lol it’s ok. You’ll calm down. You are just impressed because you only saw all this like in the last 5 years.

The reason you feel that way about Fedor versus Francis is because Fedor doesn’t look intimidating, if he was looking like crocop with muscles and low bodyfat, and sending everybody to the hospital with one high kick, you wouldn’t say nonsense like that lmao

Hw Division has been dead for a long time, like in boxing, these people today are an absolute joke compared to the golden age of pride division, that’s why it’s called golden age of MMA.

You just saying the same thing that people who don’t know anything about martial arts say about Bruce Lee beating everybody, you saying exactly the same thing, you just saw something on TV, then you made something up in your head, and you posted here, but you have never sparred with any of these people, you have no idea, almost every single MMA fighter puts fedor as the greatest of all time, certainly among heavyweights.

[shmobin]

I could easily get into this debate, but more importantly I am negging OP as soon as I can for a neg he gave me a WHILE ago. That's right, Scapey, I'm coming for you.

Crew

[ninetynine8]

Mgannou would not be a favorite vs any of fedors top opponents at their peak, big nog, crocop, probably would get leg subbed by Barnett too, prime Alex ktfo Francis also. And fedor played with Alex. Fedor used to box world champs in training and k1 champs and Olympic wrestlers and muay thai champions. You are just young. lol it’s ok. You’ll calm down. You are just impressed because you only saw all this like in the last 5 years.

The reason you feel that way about Fedor versus Francis is because Fedor doesn’t look intimidating, if he was looking like crocop with muscles and low bodyfat, and sending everybody to the hospital with one high kick, you wouldn’t say nonsense like that lmao

your argument is literally 'muh pros'. most fighters are retarded


no one that analyzes fights and makes good money doing it would pick fedor over Ngannou. no one

i'm not biased against fedor. He was a great in his era, his era just happened to be 10x less honed than the current one.

[kusok]

your argument is literally 'muh pros'. most fighters are retarded


no one that analyzes fights and makes good money doing it would pick fedor over Ngannou. no one

i'm not biased against fedor. He was a great in his era, his era just happened to be 10x less honed than the current one.

You’re buying into the evolution of MMA narrative, it doesn’t work like that, at most fed would have to watch a couple of modern fights and have a couple of training sessions to catch up, we gotta listen to the professional fighters, bro, when you start training and sparring your opinion on everything changes completely,

Fed was similar to Haku in pro wrestling, when someone wanted to fight him, it wouldn’t be about who is a better fighter, because there would be no fight, Haku would just bite their nose off,

Jordan was like that in basketball, great players would challenge him, and then he would annihilate them in the most embarrassing manner, even at an old age, even reactions from the other teams bench were comical, as they were completely blown away by Jordan’s ability,

that’s how Fedor was in mma, one referee said that he never seen anything like that, Fed moved like an animal, there is also a ref cam of some of his fights, it doesn’t look like any other fighter, he literally is covering so much ground in so little time for a heavyweight, the hip flexibility is completely insane, the way he got the arm bar on Mark Coleman the first time It’s mind boggling , Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts can only shake their head when they see that arm bar. Not his fanboy by the way, I even got banned from MMA forums in the past for criticizing his ****ty training camp. Just being real here.

[ymer]

Anybody noticed that basketball fans are all low-class people or white nerds that have a fetish for naggers?

[TryingMen]

Not gonna lie that's some lulzy sh*t

[WoofieNugget]

Rock would make the top four mount Rushmore of Pro wrestling because he did everything correctly, he didn’t destroy his body, he got out and made insane amounts of money in Hollywood, exactly what you’re supposed to do, protect your health and make tons of money, so for practical purposes the rock did the best of any wrestler, the other three people would have to be Hogan Andre and flair.

as far as Michael and Triple, you cannot put them even in top 10 of all time, there were very significant figures in the past that eclipse their accomplishments.

By that criteria having Andre as one of your top 4 is ridiculous. The guy drank himself to death, his only skill was that he was massively big, and he could barely even talk. I wouldn't even have Andre in my top 20 of all time tbh, especially when you factor in some of the more recent stars.

[kusok]

By that criteria having Andre as one of your top 4 is ridiculous. The guy drank himself to death, his only skill was that he was massively big, and he could barely even talk. I wouldn't even have Andre in my top 20 of all time tbh, especially when you factor in some of the more recent stars.

When young Andre was very athletic. Used to do a moonsault off the top rope… srs.

Great wrestlers are great for different reasons: rock had an ideal career! Protected his health, made money. Hogan was the most recognizable face of wrestling. Every single human being on earth knows who hogan is. The same can not be said for any other wrestler. Flair gave his whole life to wrestling proper, traveling by car from small town to small town, wrestling the top guy in every territory for an hour. Andre was the face of wrestling before hogan. They each made different contributions to history of pro wrestling.

[kusok]

Not aware.

[Nicklol]

Kobe clears imo.

Did it with pure finesse and not some overly built brute who just steamrolls ppl to the net.

the league just needs "stars" for sales but kobe was better

[monster0ultra]

Jordan, LeBron, GMiscer - Alive
Kobe - Dead

[LinuxJon]

A couple of things that take Kobe's stock down slightly even though he's obviously top 10 all time, could be top 5.

He only played for one team and many years that team was BAD - although he did get five rings. We never had a chance to see how he might have performed in other markets, without a massive team being built around him, etc.

He also statistically didn't really stand out. A few brilliant games, yes. But his lifetime stats are 25PPG, with barely 5 rebounds and 5 assists. And they are the exact same in the playoffs. Jordan was 30PPG lifetime, and then in the playoffs his production went up significantly, and that's in rebounds and assists as well. Lebron also always elevated his game in the playoffs.

To be fair about Kobe's PPG thing- he was a role player the first 2-3 years and was getting limited minutes. The Lakers were dumb and were starting freaking Nick Van Exel over him for no reason.

He also played in a much lower scoring era, in slower pace systems for much of the time. And he was splitting play calls with Shaq during his peak.

If Lebron played in the triangle offense with Jokic for 8 years, he'd be averaging 25 PPG too.

Toward the end of his career when he was the only star in a faster offense, he averaged 35 PPG one season. At the time, that was the most anyone had scored in 20+ years.

[ExPatriot]

I could easily get into this debate, but more importantly I am negging OP as soon as I can for a neg he gave me a WHILE ago. That's right, Scapey, I'm coming for you.

Repped because I can't neg the scapecuck...

[BigDeeps01]

He only has 2 rings where he was the guy (First 3 he was carried by Shaq)

He has a poor FG% / 3 PT % (He's was a bit of a shot chucker)

He was a ball hog

He's just not in the same league

[infinityplus1]

-rapist
-dead

[Jayce_]

Simple really...

It was Kobe vs Helicopter, Jordon vs Lebron.

Whoever wins between Jordon and Lebron take on helicopter next.

[TheScapeGOAT]

Repped because I can't neg the scapecuck...

Thanks for adding to his reps so his rep to me will be even greater. Always knew you were a good guy.