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[J.L.C.]

I explained why..those repeated injections lead to continual production of the antigen.

Are you suggesting there are very few actual vaccines because many require multiple doses?

Are you suggesting any vaccines requiring multiple doses are dangerous or risky? Moreso than infections in an immunonaive individual?

Do you have any evidence of continuous antigen production resulting from any vaccine?

[Paul Kreul]

Are you suggesting there are very few actual vaccines because many require multiple doses?

Are you suggesting any vaccines requiring multiple doses are dangerous or risky? Moreso than infections in an immunonaive individual?

Do you have any evidence of continuous antigen production resulting from any vaccine?

Sure..

Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

[J.L.C.]

Sure..

Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

That's class switch not evidence of continuous antigen production.

[Paul Kreul]

That's class switch not evidence of continuous antigen production.

It’s the result of continuous vaccination

[J.L.C.]

It’s the result of continuous vaccination

So covid vaccines are vaccines now?

Nobody is on a continuous covid vaccine infusion.

[Paul Kreul]

Not according to the paper you posted.

In a cohort of 29 health care workers (cohort 1), we analyzed the antibody response after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination with three doses of Comirnaty (Table 1). The first two doses were given at an interval of 3 to 4 weeks, and a further booster vaccination was applied about 7 months after the second immunization. Using a flow cytometry–based antibody assay (25), we measured anti-spike IgG responses in sera 10 days after each vaccination, 210 days after the second dose, and 180 days after the third dose. In line with earlier reports (3, 4), mRNA immunizations induced robust IgG antibody response in all vaccinees (fig. S1A). Neutralizing capacity was assessed in a surrogate virus neutralization assay confirming the dynamics of vaccine-induced antibody response

[J.L.C.]

In a cohort of 29 health care workers (cohort 1), we analyzed the antibody response after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination with three doses of Comirnaty (Table 1). The first two doses were given at an interval of 3 to 4 weeks, and a further booster vaccination was applied about 7 months after the second immunization. Using a flow cytometry–based antibody assay (25), we measured anti-spike IgG responses in sera 10 days after each vaccination, 210 days after the second dose, and 180 days after the third dose. In line with earlier reports (3, 4), mRNA immunizations induced robust IgG antibody response in all vaccinees (fig. S1A). Neutralizing capacity was assessed in a surrogate virus neutralization assay confirming the dynamics of vaccine-induced antibody response

I see the word vaccination. I do not see the word continuous

Are you now acknowledging covid vaccines are in fact vaccines? Or does vaccination in this instance refer to something other than covid vaccines?

[Paul Kreul]

I see the word vaccination. I do not see the word continuous

Are you now acknowledging covid vaccines are in fact vaccines? Or does vaccination in this instance refer to something other than covid vaccines?

“The first two doses were given at an interval of 3 to 4 weeks, and a further booster vaccination was applied about 7 months after the second immunization.”

[J.L.C.]

“The first two doses were given at an interval of 3 to 4 weeks, and a further booster vaccination was applied about 7 months after the second immunization.”

Yes.

No mention of continuous.

But, the word vaccination is definitely there

[Paul Kreul]

Yes.

No mention of continuous.

But, the word vaccination is definitely there

Three is not continuous from the first..?


12 persons from a study cohort of breakthrough infections (CoVaKo study) who were vaccinated two or three times with SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines and who experienced a breakthrough infection 25 to 257 days after the second or 57 to 164 days after the third mRNA vaccination

How many times should we inject people if 3 is not enough?

[~Hades~]

if you get the vax you wont get covid - joe biden

[J.L.C.]

Three is not continuous from the first..?

No

The intervals are stated clearly.

[J.L.C.]

if you get the vax you wont get covid - joe biden

Silly Joe is/was silly.

[Cleveland33]

I wonder if I am looking at a summer of severe illness and death

[Paul Kreul]

No

The intervals are stated clearly.

Yes…I consider three to be continuous from one..


Continuous-another term for progressive sense 3 of the adjective

[J.L.C.]

Yes…I consider three to be continuous from one..


Continuous-another term for progressive sense 3 of the adjective

Very clearly discrete rather than continuous.


Regardless, you have not supported the claim of continuous antigen production following inoculation with any covid vaccine.

You shared a paper demonstrating a class switch from Igg3 to Igg4 where the majority of produced antibodies were Igg3.

Igg4 antibodies are neutralizing and non-inflammatory.

You have presented evidence of covid vaccines qualifying as vaccines

[Paul Kreul]

Very clearly discrete rather than continuous.


Regardless, you have not supported the claim of continuous antigen production following inoculation with any covid vaccine.

You shared a paper demonstrating a class switch from Igg3 to Igg4 where the majority of produced antibodies were Igg3.

Igg4 antibodies are neutralizing and non-inflammatory.

You have presented evidence of covid vaccines qualifying as vaccines

That is considered continuous.
The paper shows antigen inevitably weakens our immune system..that’s the point.

As far as repeated injections lead to the non-stop production of the antigen, we see that clearly demonstrated here..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06800-3

[J.L.C.]

That is considered continuous.

No, no it isn't

Repeated? Yes.

Continuous? No.

No evidence of non-stop antigen production.

But, evidence of antibody production, which confirms the covid vaccines administered in the study were in fact vaccines

[Dave22reborn]

People choosing to protect themselves aren't doing anything wrong nor illegal; therefore, no excuses are necessary

The mask doesn't protect them, and pretty much being isolated, and not catching anything will actually weaken the immune system. Plus, masks are bad for the environment.

[Dave22reborn]

Many vaccines require multiple doses and/or boosters.

Covid vaccines do not lead to non-stop anyone antigen production. This is evidenced by waning antibody levels that increase upon re-inoculation.

Interesting how I pretty much had my shots before the age of four or five, and never got another one since. How am I still alive?

[Dave22reborn]

Silly Joe is/was silly.

Fauci said it as well......

[Dave22reborn]

I wonder if I am looking at a summer of severe illness and death

Truth is, I was just bored and typed in "Covid News."

Guess these "experts" have to justify their employment.

[J.L.C.]

The mask doesn't protect them, and pretty much being isolated, and not catching anything will actually weaken the immune system. Plus, masks are bad for the environment.

Prove it

[J.L.C.]

Interesting how I pretty much had my shots before the age of four or five, and never got another one since. How am I still alive?

Maybe vaccines aren't a death sentence?

[Cleveland33]

Maybe vaccines aren't a death sentence?

So what are they?

[Dave22reborn]

Prove it

What happened to the Native Americans who were exposed to the Europeans?

And how does a paper mask, or a cloth mask, protect someone? Especially when they wear one outside and in the privacy of their own vehicle?

[Dave22reborn]

Maybe vaccines aren't a death sentence?

Never had a flu shot, how am I still alive?

[J.L.C.]

So what are they?

Substances that confer adaptive/acquired immunity.

[kcadrenalin]

Never had a flu shot, how am I still alive?

Never had a flu shot crew. Last time I had the flu I was 20 years old. It damn near killed me (felt like) but I haven't had it since.
When I see that commercial on tv saying to get your covid booster when you get your flu shot, my smugness intensifies. It's like hitting a new PR every time I see it.

[frankdtank20]

What are the negatives in taking it, other than your conspiratorial right wing talking points?

All it can do is offer me and others around me protection from catching Covid?

I’m totally healthy. No side effects from the original jab.

It’s you nut jobs that make a big deal about it, when my doctor who went through years and years of training said it’s totally safe and effective.

Your doctor already knows when you smirk and deny the shot who they are dealing with, yet you think you’re getting one up lmao.

Of course there are risks for healthy people. The disagreement about prevalence of the side effects is at least an order of magnitude.

The biggest reasons not to bother getting a booster are:

-a high majority of people infected have zero symptoms
So you could have the virus, get injected and that's an overload of spike protein

-the protection against getting infected is low and the effect lasts at most 2 months
There are several pieces of evidence that the more injected someone is, the MORE likely they'll get infected after that short window of partial protection is over. No biggie since it's a cold, but nonetheless a higher chance of a minor nuisance.

-most importantly it's killing nearly zero people anymore

-there's some evidence the jabs may be lowering the immune system in the long run, leading to more cancer and autoimmune diseases

-the jabs don't make a difference in spread.
the Wuhan virus is more infectious than measles. You can't avoid getting infected if you leave the house. If you get infected now it's probably the 4th-8th time by now. Same goes for everyone.


So even if side effect chances from the jabs are low, I can't see how they're worth the risk.