Why do socialists not point out that median income in western Europe is only 28,000

[johnnydeep1]

Yeah, you get free ****, but the median(not average, median) income in Europe after taxes in like $28,000 on average . Around 25,000 in the UK. USA is nearly 47,000.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income


Also the USA is only 65% white, Eurasian and Asian , while western/northern Europe ,outside of Netherlands, UK, Paris and urban Germany, is still over 90% white. This means white and Asians Americans get like double the median western/northern in salary after taxes.

Something that Sanders, AOC etc. forget to mention.

[MeSoHawny]

Yeah, you get free ****, but the median(not average, median) income in Europe after taxes in like $28,000 on average . Around 25,000 in the UK. USA is nearly 47,000.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income


Also the USA is only 65% white, Eurasian and Asian , while western/northern Europe ,outside of Netherlands, UK, Paris and urban Germany, is still over 90% white. This means white and Asians Americans get like double the median western/northern in salary after taxes.

Something that Sanders, AOC etc. forget to mention.

UK is phucked.

However you need to bare in mind that their taxes actually provide access to services you dont have. Including things like public transport, healthcare, decent schooling, etc. Their food is not the disgusting trash we eat either.

Europe is also a big place. People in Poland are making less than people in Germany, but the cost of living is different too. Looking at it in a vacuum does not paint an accurate picture

A better approach is to compare states to European countries, rather than America to Europe as a broad average

[outfoxxed]

the issue with socialism is that i don't trust the government to not waste my fuking tax dollars. and average libtard is too stupid to care about balancing the budget or minimizing unnecessary spending. they rather vote for lgbt native american reservations

[PatchouliMusk]

Ibby been tryna educate yall for years and you were too dense to listen up

[JayJ350]

the issue with socialism is that i don't trust the government to not waste my fuking tax dollars. and average libtard is too stupid to care about balancing the budget or minimizing unnecessary spending. they rather vote for lgbt native american reservations

Bruh, the socialist state of California wastes 10's of billions of dollars every year where there is no answer for where it went.

[atgbrahsrs]

The US is almost a whole continent, and the US spends a lot of its money on protecting all of Europe. The US would be the biggest economic superpower 100x over if we didnt spend trillions on other people defenses. Capitalism mogs socialism or lite communism every day of the week.

No it wouldn't because you assume those funds are wasted on the military.

Meanwhile, USA enforces a lot of stuff beneficial for itself.

No military, no nukes, East Asia would mog anyone.

[MeSoHawny]

The US is almost a whole continent, and the US spends a lot of its money on protecting all of Europe. The US would be the biggest economic superpower 100x over if we didnt spend trillions on other people defenses. Capitalism mogs socialism or lite communism every day of the week.

Social systems in Europe worked when they were homogenous. The minute the immigrants and third world chit started pouring in and industry was outsourced to China, it was over.

Capitalism worked in the USA. The minute third world immigrants started pouring in and the boomers outsourced all the industry to China, it was over.

The reality is that white, homogenous populations do well under both systems.

I am a capitalist too. However I am also a realist, and if you think the average American is better off than the average European these days you are phucked in the head. Exceptions exist of course, but comparing whole continents like that his also dumb. France and Estonia are not the same, just as Alabama and California are not the same. Medians are retarded

[Bingo559]

but at least there's not a bunch of fat mexicans trying to hit on you. right?

[Rylol]

Yeah, you get free ****, but the median(not average, median) income in Europe after taxes in like $28,000 on average . Around 25,000 in the UK. USA is nearly 47,000.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income


Also the USA is only 65% white, Eurasian and Asian , while western/northern Europe ,outside of Netherlands, UK, Paris and urban Germany, is still over 90% white. This means white and Asians Americans get like double the median western/northern in salary after taxes.

Something that Sanders, AOC etc. forget to mention.

The UK has an almost 50% working class population, with the big money being made down South. Skewed data. Regardless, it's still comparable to France, Italy, Spain etc.

In Europe you get 30+ days holiday per year and not 10 days (wtf lol). So you're worked into the ground and still have an average household debt of $104,000+.

How many people are also becoming bankrupt from medical bills and why are homeless people lining the city streets in tents?! I don't see that happening in Europe.

[BigDickBlack]

Libturds are the most brainless cowards in US history.

[atgbrahsrs]

US spent $175 billion on Ukraine, our currency is losing relative to the ruble because of it. If you're talking about protecting trade routes, most countries have a financial incentive to also help which they do. East Asia is only as rich as it is because of the US same with every country on earth. If the US dollar collapses the entire world will become poorer. I can go to any European country and easily exchange a dollar for the euro, and I can go to China and easily exchange the dollar for yen. The same isn't true the other way around, there is a reason Israel manipulates us, because then they can manipulate everyone else.

Agree on Israeli manipulation.

But LMAO USA swooped in during WW2 to claim victory and to do Israeli-USA bank loan **** to Europe.

It was no wonder that Russia, Jews and USA was an enemy to the Axis.

[Rebel012]

Yeah, you get free ****, but the median(not average, median) income in Europe after taxes in like $28,000 on average . Around 25,000 in the UK. USA is nearly 47,000.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income


Also the USA is only 65% white, Eurasian and Asian , while western/northern Europe ,outside of Netherlands, UK, Paris and urban Germany, is still over 90% white. This means white and Asians Americans get like double the median western/northern in salary after taxes.

Something that Sanders, AOC etc. forget to mention.

I'm more interested in why you shove shampoo bottles up your ass.

[TwoTailedSperm]

This is a point well made from you j-deeps. That data did surprise me a little.

Mostly my response would be that median income is not the only measure of value in a society and differences in political opinion more likely stem from different subjective opinions about what is important in life rather than trying to figure which system is objectively better.

Also would point out that Europe is not purely socialist nor is the US purely capitalist. How much the difference in median income is a result of the difference in where they both sit on the economic spectrum and how much is due to factors outside of that is definitely a relevant line of discussion in this debate.

Thirdly, I think it is fairly obvious by now that the US's economic and military dominance and therefore position as printer of the world's reserve currency has allowed it to economically exploit other countries to its benefit. How much this plays a role here is relevant too.

But again, point well made, props for finding relatively recent $US PPP median income data for fair comparison. I'm guessing the PPP calculation accounts for tax and also for the fact that the more socialist countries provide things (healthcare) that would otherwise be an expense in more capitalist countries. Could you explain more about how that PPP adjustment is made?

[phaginator]

lol at americans

[TwoTailedSperm]

People in Australia can't even afford to have cars, opinion discarded.

Lol that is the most bizarre and untrue rebuttal I have seen for a while. People in Australia can't afford cars? Where are you getting this from? Seriously, sit on your head because we'd get more sense talking to your azzhole at this point.

"2023 was the best ever year for vehicle sales in Australia, with a total of 1,216,780 vehicles delivered, beating the previous sales record of 1,189,116 set in 2017. Electric vehicle sales more than doubled, while combined sales of dual cab utes and SUVs represented 78.4 per cent of the market."

https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/tr...ales-2023.html

[kusok]

Social systems in Europe worked when they were homogenous. The minute the immigrants and third world chit started pouring in and industry was outsourced to China, it was over.

Capitalism worked in the USA. The minute third world immigrants started pouring in and the boomers outsourced all the industry to China, it was over.

The reality is that white, homogenous populations do well under both systems.

I am a capitalist too. However I am also a realist, and if you think the average American is better off than the average European these days you are phucked in the head. Exceptions exist of course, but comparing whole continents like that his also dumb. France and Estonia are not the same, just as Alabama and California are not the same. Medians are retarded

I lived and worked in many countries all my life. USA is by a very very big margin the best place to live on average.

[phaginator]

I lived and worked in many countries all my life. USA is by a very very big margin the best place to live on average.

Only for the top 10%. The rest is cucked

[atgbrahsrs]

Only for the top 10%. The rest is cucked

US isnt the end all be all.

But you are wrong. This is coming from a non-USA brah.

srs

there are so many things wrong with the graph you posted

[pojo18]

Eh,

My buddy lives and works in Ireland (Dublin area) and makes the equivalent of $60k/USD.

He just bought a beautiful home utilizing govt assistance for first time homebuyers and pretty much put no money down. He has a few health issues and has access to convenient, FREE, and quality healthcare 24/7. He doesnt need to own a car because public transport is great. He has something ridiculous like 20 vacation days guaranteed by the gov't and another 21 offered by his employer (8 weeks PTO total). and the food there is way less processed.

doesnt sound too bad to me.

[johnnydeep1]

UK is phucked.

However you need to bare in mind that their taxes actually provide access to services you dont have. Including things like public transport, healthcare, decent schooling, etc. Their food is not the disgusting trash we eat either.

Europe is also a big place. People in Poland are making less than people in Germany, but the cost of living is different too. Looking at it in a vacuum does not paint an accurate picture

A better approach is to compare states to European countries, rather than America to Europe as a broad average

USA has decent schooling and public transport

[johnnydeep1]

lol at americans

So only 12 nations on planet earth have a higher median wealth and thats supposed to be bad?

BTW USA is 35% black/hispanic and native American.

[StainlesSon]

usa's currency is also worth less than eur and sterlin, that must be factored in