UFC 284: Makhachev vs. Volkanovski discussion thread

[OneLegSquats]

just punched myself in the head lightly to make sure im not crazy. still hurts

I swear casuals think that unless a strike visibly wobbles/KO's a guy, it does no damage and they can't feel it. Just 1 or 2 foot stomps alone would make walking hurt the next day

[bicmane789]

Can tell you've never been in a fight/sparred before. If a dude kept hitting you in the same place even from 9 inches away repeatedly you're going to get bruises and it's going to hurt. Try it yourself, stand with your back against the wall and swing your fist back over your head, now tell me that's not going to hurt someones face. Moron

actually i have fought locally many times. ive been in martial arts since i was a young kid. and muay thai for the last 10 or so years.

and no, when your adrenaline is pumping during a fight you feel little 'pain', compared to just in a normal state.

you reek of casual, srs

volks shots while islam had his back did almost zero damage. period

you arguing against that shows your casual ness. welcome to mma lil buddy

[Zere0wn]

[iwant2beswole]

actually i have fought locally many times. ive been in martial arts since i was a young kid. and muay thai for the last 10 or so years.

and no, when your adrenaline is pumping during a fight you feel little 'pain', compared to just in a normal state.

you reek of casual, srs

volks shots while islam had his back did almost zero damage. period

you arguing against that shows your casual ness. welcome to mma lil buddy

Yep this lmao

BRB talking about “you’ve never been in a fight”

Being caught in tight body lock pressure is way worse than those punches thrown behind his head lol

[Zere0wn]

Yep this lmao

BRB talking about “you’ve never been in a fight”

Being caught in tight body lock pressure is way worse than those punches thrown behind his head lol

and no, when your adrenaline is pumping during a fight you feel little 'pain', compared to just in a normal state.

[MiscValuePlayer]

actually i have fought locally many times. ive been in martial arts since i was a young kid. and muay thai for the last 10 or so years.

and no, when your adrenaline is pumping during a fight you feel little 'pain', compared to just in a normal state.

you reek of casual, srs

volks shots while islam had his back did almost zero damage. period

you arguing against that shows your casual ness. welcome to mma lil buddy

Nah you're wrong.

Jon date: feb 2023

must be trolling

[bicmane789]

and no, when your adrenaline is pumping during a fight you feel little 'pain', compared to just in a normal state.

found the guy who started watching mma because of Conor

[Zere0wn]

found the guy who started watching mma because of Conor

[Gizzyhardcore]

Dominant at 205... "I'll go up to HW soon"

That was 10 years ago.

And.... pissed hot too many times to count

And... Lost to Anthony Smith via DQ... but Anthony Smith doesn't take the easy way out

And.... barely won his last 3

Jones is elite, just not Goat status

I mean... come on, he's scared of doing what Izzy did. Would jones go fight at HW at 205 size... like Izzy fought Jan at 185 size? not in a billion years

[Gizzyhardcore]

Can tell you've never been in a fight/sparred before. If a dude kept hitting you in the same place even from 9 inches away repeatedly you're going to get bruises and it's going to hurt. Try it yourself, stand with your back against the wall and swing your fist back over your head, now tell me that's not going to hurt someones face. Moron

Nope. Doesn't hurt. Nothing really hurts. It would just be annoying.

You are talking out your ass kid. In a fight you have crazy adrenaline. If you even feel something it was catastrophic. You only really feel stuff 30 mins after you've had a shower.

[Gizzyhardcore]

and no, when your adrenaline is pumping during a fight you feel little 'pain', compared to just in a normal state.

yep, 100%

Funny these kids talking like they ever stepped into a cage. The adrenaline is the primary opponent.

[bicmane789]

yep, 100%

Funny these kids talking like they ever stepped into a cage. The adrenaline is the primary opponent.

the guy you just quoted, is quoting me to mock me lol.

he's a dumbass, definition of key board warrior

[Zere0wn]

i don't think it's a question of if it hurts real bad, everyone understands adrenaline. the debate was around whether or not it's causing "damage", and it definitely is.

[bicmane789]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNjHaS37Kn0

even volk doesn't contest that he lost round 4, because he was in a bad position.

100% on volk being unable to get out.

don't really expect casuals to know these things i suppose...

[bicmane789]

i don't think it's a question of if it hurts real bad, everyone understands adrenaline. the debate was around whether or not it's causing "damage", and it definitely is.

extremely little damage, not anywhere near fight ending damage.

and that will always be the case if your body is controlled, because you can't put any bodyweight or enough momentum into those short strikes while being controlled.

and the other guy you were agreeing with, is the one who brought up pain and hurting lol

[Zere0wn]

extremely little damage, not anywhere near fight ending damage.

and that will always be the case if your body is controlled, because you can't put any bodyweight or enough momentum into those short strikes while being controlled.

and the other guy you were agreeing with, is the one who brought up pain and hurting lol

glad you're acknowledging those punches do damage.

[bicmane789]

glad you're acknowledging those punches do damage.

heres a fact for you.

only a casual would call what volk was doing "damaging"

its like a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 in damage.

[ninetynine8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNjHaS37Kn0

even volk doesn't contest that he lost round 4, because he was in a bad position.

100% on volk being unable to get out.

don't really expect casuals to know these things i suppose...

i literally watched the interview lol, he says he sees why it was scored for Islam but after Ariel talked about damage he said he understood. He said it was on for him to get out because he's a prideful man but it was also for islam to actually do something

[ninetynine8]

i don't think it's a question of if it hurts real bad, everyone understands adrenaline. the debate was around whether or not it's causing "damage", and it definitely is.

this. wtf is their point, with that logic overhand rights don't do damage

[Zere0wn]

this. wtf is their point, with that logic overhand rights don't do damage

got rocked in the jaw fell to canvas - but didn't feel it so doesn't count

[Zere0wn]

heres a fact for you.

only a casual would call what volk was doing "damaging"

its like a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 in damage.

here's a fact for you.

reds gonna red.

negged.

[bicmane789]

here's a fact for you.

reds gonna red.

negged.

awwww... casual cant handle some simple truths

lol @ claiming volks strikes while islam had his back were damaging.

[OneLegSquats]

heres a fact for you.

only a casual would call what volk was doing "damaging"

its like a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 in damage.

That's 1 more on the damage scale than a weak bodylock and stalling. Damage trumps everything. Red insect is retarded

[Cartiac]

Why was Volk so committed to grappling in the 5th? Was he looking for a moral victory? Did he think he was up? Islam was gassed, he should’ve got space and blasted him. Volk barely looks like he broke a sweat. Insane conditioning.

Casuals would use the term "panic wrestling" here. Another stupid decision by Volk. Islam was gassed and hurt, make him get back up and hit him with more shots while he is hurt, don't allow him to lay on his back, stay safe and win the fight. Which is exactly what Islam said he did. He got hurt, went down, and protected himself to avoid making a costly mistake at that time.

Despite what he claims now, Volk knew he wasn't up, there was clear conversation in his corner of him asking multiple times if he had lost the first two so obviously, he felt he did and his corner response was you need the last 3. That showed there was not even a consideration from Volk's corner of being able to finish Islam, it was all about trying to outpoint and steal rounds, but now they are whining about getting outpointed. If you have any confidence in the skills of your fighter you don't tell him he needs to win all of the last 3 rounds, you tell him it doesn't matter, you've seen all he has, just knock this guy out.

[Cartiac]

what are you talking about dude

islam didn't have 'control' of anything, how is control being on your back getting punched in the face? control implies you can do something out of your position which he never could

What are you talking about dude? Are you lost from the WWE forum? Islam had complete control over Volk (as Volk stated himself, Islam had him in a dominate position and it was his job to get out of it) but he didn't even try. Not to mention Islam showed extremely dominant and intelligent ground control to get into that position. First putting Volk down, then advancing position and moving him a considerable distance toward the cage and then rolling Volk away from the cage so his body was between Volk and the cage so there was no chance he could use the cage to get up before locking the body triangle.

Volk yelling and tapping Islam showed desperation, lack of knowledge, awareness, confidence and/or all of the above to actually fight his way out of the position. Of course it is very hard to escape from that against Islam but Volk just gave up and didn't try. What he did was absolutely meaningless. Since he did have that hand free to tap Islam shows he was confident controlling the threat of the choke with his primary hand and should have been using that free arm to fight the body triangle.

With that said Volk lost nothing in that fight. He did way better than everyone thought realistically possible against Islam. Just like his teammate Izzy, those guys are rare true fighters today, both stepping up to challenge the higher weight class champ. While most guys today are looking to cherry pick easy opponents, they do the opposite, seeking out the greatest challenge they can find every time even when their chances of winning are small they do what most others won't and are better for it.

[MinisterOfLust]

Haven't watched the entire card yet, but finally watch the main event. Great fight and all, and a very close one I still think Volk won the fight

[lordpatrick]

Regardless who won, volkanovski did smash that dagestani rat though no?

[Zere0wn]

Casuals would use the term "panic wrestling" here. Another stupid decision by Volk. Islam was gassed and hurt, make him get back up and hit him with more shots while he is hurt, don't allow him to lay on his back, stay safe and win the fight. Which is exactly what Islam said he did. He got hurt, went down, and protected himself to avoid making a costly mistake at that time.

Despite what he claims now, Volk knew he wasn't up, there was clear conversation in his corner of him asking multiple times if he had lost the first two so obviously, he felt he did and his corner response was you need the last 3. That showed there was not even a consideration from Volk's corner of being able to finish Islam, it was all about trying to outpoint and steal rounds, but now they are whining about getting outpointed. If you have any confidence in the skills of your fighter you don't tell him he needs to win all of the last 3 rounds, you tell him it doesn't matter, you've seen all he has, just knock this guy out.

That wasn't panic wrestling lol. a bad decision, yes, but not panic wrestling. wtf are you talking about?

[Zere0wn]

Volk yelling and tapping Islam showed desperation, lack of knowledge, awareness, confidence and/or all of the above to actually fight his way out of the position. Of course it is very hard to escape from that against Islam but Volk just gave up and didn't try. What he did was absolutely meaningless. Since he did have that hand free to tap Islam shows he was confident controlling the threat of the choke with his primary hand and should have been using that free arm to fight the body triangle.

Such a bad take. Volk did better grappling vs islam than anyone else has (except tsarukyan), he's been training with craig jones, i sincerely doubt there was a "lack of knowledge".

I gotta stop replying to this crap.

[ninetynine8]

What are you talking about dude? Are you lost from the WWE forum? Islam had complete control over Volk (as Volk stated himself, Islam had him in a dominate position and it was his job to get out of it) but he didn't even try. Not to mention Islam showed extremely dominant and intelligent ground control to get into that position. First putting Volk down, then advancing position and moving him a considerable distance toward the cage and then rolling Volk away from the cage so his body was between Volk and the cage so there was no chance he could use the cage to get up before locking the body triangle.

Volk yelling and tapping Islam showed desperation, lack of knowledge, awareness, confidence and/or all of the above to actually fight his way out of the position. Of course it is very hard to escape from that against Islam but Volk just gave up and didn't try. What he did was absolutely meaningless. Since he did have that hand free to tap Islam shows he was confident controlling the threat of the choke with his primary hand and should have been using that free arm to fight the body triangle.

With that said Volk lost nothing in that fight. He did way better than everyone thought realistically possible against Islam. Just like his teammate Izzy, those guys are rare true fighters today, both stepping up to challenge the higher weight class champ. While most guys today are looking to cherry pick easy opponents, they do the opposite, seeking out the greatest challenge they can find every time even when their chances of winning are small they do what most others won't and are better for it.

you're too dumb to understand what i'm saying

Islam had 'control' but he couldn't DO anything with it or move positions which means he was just as controlled as volk was, and HE DID LESS DAMAGE.

It's as simple as that.

It's not on volk to risk getting out when he's the one doing more damage. Stop quoting volk when you'll cherry pick some things he says but not all of it



You know damage is the number one thing now right?