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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm reading his quotes.

    He says they and talks as if he doesn't know. It's in the quotes the op posted. Personally, I believe exact words matter because they do in my industry.
    See post #28. He isn't in the lab physically doing the manipulations himself but he knows exactly the plans. And his ridiculing the idea of the OG virus coming naturally is gold. Fuk that, it's platinum.
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    I watched the video a couple times.

    To me the guy talks like a child repeating words he's heard. Maybe I just want to believe someone with medical degree and a directorial role at a publicly traded multi-national would seem less childish. I'd also like to believe anyone with direct knowledge and responsibility for what he's claiming would be way more careful talking about it with a stranger.

    I have been talking about proven historical and ongoing conspiracies for a lot of years, I am the last one to deboonk 'cause snopes said so.

    I still feel like I need to see people beat this story up a bit.
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    Originally Posted by engj View Post
    I watched the video a couple times.

    To me the guy talks like a child repeating words he's heard. Maybe I just want to believe someone with medical degree and a directorial role at a publicly traded multi-national would seem less childish. I'd also like to believe anyone with direct knowledge and responsibility for what he's claiming would be way more careful talking about it with a stranger.

    I have been talking about proven historical and ongoing conspiracies for a lot of years, I am the last one to deboonk 'cause snopes said so.

    I still feel like I need to see people beat this story up a bit.
    i heard the person he is speaking to is an ex phizer employee
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    Originally Posted by frankdtank20 View Post
    See post #28. He isn't in the lab physically doing the manipulations himself but he knows exactly the plans. And his ridiculing the idea of the OG virus coming naturally is gold. Fuk that, it's platinum.
    It's totally wild how he calls out lab leak from Wuhan. They are attempting to do exactly what EcoHealth and WIV were doing, so they can preemptively have vaccines ready. That was the whole point with all the EcoHealth research at Wuhan.

    Also, he's obviously a bit standoffish with how he words things, like first he says it was brought up and they were discussing it, but then he kinda slips and admits they are already working on it.




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    Honestly I don't see this as too much an issue.


    You need to understand how the virus can mutate in order to fight it.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Honestly I don't see this as too much an issue.

    You need to understand how the virus can mutate in order to fight it.
    Hopefully they mutate it real good, release it into the wild and then you or someone you love catch it and die before they dump the vaccine for it, then maybe you might see how making man-made Frankenviruses and exposing unwilling and unknowing people to it might not be such a cool thing to do.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Honestly I don't see this as too much an issue.


    You need to understand how the virus can mutate in order to fight it.

    That worked so well in Wuhan, right? Negs for life. This is bigger than Watergate. This is up there with politicians lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, bankers directing mortgage applicants to lie about their income pre-2008 so they could get a loan, "10% for the Big Guy (Biden)." His conversation in totality is in the same ballpark with the possibility that the CIA killed JFK.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Honestly I don't see this as too much an issue.


    You need to understand how the virus can mutate in order to fight it.
    'One of the things we [Pfizer] are exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it [COVID] ourselves so we could create -- preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we're gonna do that though, there's a risk of like, as you could imagine -- no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating f--king viruses,' Walker said.

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    That worked so well in Wuhan, right? Negs for life. This is bigger than Watergate. This is up there with politicians lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, bankers directing mortgage applicants to lie about their income pre-2008 so they could get a loan, "10% for the Big Guy (Biden)." His conversation in totality is in the same ballpark with the possibility that the CIA killed JFK.
    This is pretty fuking bad.. I mean you've literally got a big pharma executive telling us they wanted to keep the shiit mutating so they can keep making vaccines for it.

    It's like when Big Tobacco put Nicotine into cigarettes because it was addictive and then their CEOs all swore under oath to congress that it wasn't.
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    Originally Posted by Bushmaster View Post
    'One of the things we [Pfizer] are exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it [COVID] ourselves so we could create -- preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we're gonna do that though, there's a risk of like, as you could imagine -- no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating f--king viruses,' Walker said.
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    Originally Posted by engj View Post
    I watched the video a couple times.

    To me the guy talks like a child repeating words he's heard. Maybe I just want to believe someone with medical degree and a directorial role at a publicly traded multi-national would seem less childish. I'd also like to believe anyone with direct knowledge and responsibility for what he's claiming would be way more careful talking about it with a stranger.

    I have been talking about proven historical and ongoing conspiracies for a lot of years, I am the last one to deboonk 'cause snopes said so.

    I still feel like I need to see people beat this story up a bit.

    Well he’s probably repeating it that way because the exact process is way over his head, and in meetings to discuss agendas and progress he only takes in what is presented to him in a way he can understand. If Bezos said “we’re working on a rocket that can get to mars and and land safely upon return” he wouldn’t be able to explain everything involved but he could speak on it as far as what they’re working on. Likely the same case with this guy. He doesn’t know how they’re doing it, but being the director of research he has detailed insight into what their current projects and goals are.
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    It's like when Big Tobacco put Nicotine into cigarettes because it was addictive and then their CEOs all swore under oath to congress that it wasn't.
    Or sugar companies putting $50k into a scientists pocket to generate a study saying it's fats that are killing us.

    It was so convincing the government changed dietary guidelines. We had a fat p3dofile on TV convincing everyone a loaf of bread for lunch was health food.
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    Hopefully they mutate it real good, release it into the wild and then you or someone you love catch it and die before they dump the vaccine for it, then maybe you might see how making man-made Frankenviruses and exposing unwilling and unknowing people to it might not be such a cool thing to do.
    The technology and processes exist to research viruses safely. The origins of Covid don't change that. The problem is a lack of oversight and regulatory consequences for failure.

    You're effectively saying you don't think virology should exist and is an immoral/unethical concept. tbh maybe that's where the real debate is.
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    Or sugar companies putting $50k into a scientists pocket to generate a study saying it's fats that are killing us.

    It was so convincing the government changed dietary guidelines. We had a fat p3dofile on TV convincing everyone a loaf of bread for lunch was health food.

    The list of examples we know of is incredibly long and growing every year. Governments and corporations have proven time and time again that they are willing to prioritize profit over the health of citizens. This used to be something most people would agree on, but for some reason the injections and propaganda campaign that went along with them has changed the perspectives of millions.
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    Originally Posted by engj View Post
    Or sugar companies putting $50k into a scientists pocket to generate a study saying it's fats that are killing us.

    It was so convincing the government changed dietary guidelines. We had a fat p3dofile on TV convincing everyone a loaf of bread for lunch was health food.
    Or when "Science" told us the peaceful BLM protests of 2020's summer of love actually REDUCED the spread of Rona, but the motorcycle rally in South Dakota and all Trump rallies were "Super Spreader" events.
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    The technology and processes exist to research viruses safely. The origins of Covid don't change that. The problem is a lack of oversight and regulatory consequences for failure.

    You're effectively saying you don't think virology should exist and is an immoral/unethical concept. tbh maybe that's where the real debate is.
    There's more to Virology than gain of function. I think the 2014 ban on gain of function research in Virology was because the technology and processes available were insufficiently safe.

    The damage done over the last 3 years because of the NIH end-running around the ban to get it done in China with Eco Health Alliance validate those fears pretty clearly.

    And other than the trillions of dollars in global economic carnage I haven't seen any regulatory consequences.
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    Originally Posted by engj View Post
    Or sugar companies putting $50k into a scientists pocket to generate a study saying it's fats that are killing us.

    It was so convincing the government changed dietary guidelines. We had a fat p3dofile on TV convincing everyone a loaf of bread for lunch was health food.

    Strong pet peeve of mine since I have a Bachelor's in nutrition. The default advice they wanted us giving type 2 diabetics in the hospital was to replace some of their sugar with more complex carbs. That's it. Someone who follows through with that basic tweak will have insulin levels a little lower but it's marginally helpful and they'll be stuck on pharmaceuticals the rest of their lives. Type II DM can be reversed in basically everyone, but it requires radical change, including a very low carb diet permanently.


    We know who the biggest mass murderers of all time have been. They're infamous for all time. But I say the biggest killer of all time is the sugar industry.
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    Originally Posted by tyqb4 View Post
    The technology and processes exist to research viruses safely. The origins of Covid don't change that. The problem is a lack of oversight and regulatory consequences for failure.

    You're effectively saying you don't think virology should exist and is an immoral/unethical concept. tbh maybe that's where the real debate is.

    No, he's not saying virology shouldn't exist. Don't put words in other people's mouths.

    Don't take comprehension lessons from British journalists, bro.
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    Wait a minute, people are still giving "pRoJeCt VeRiTaS" an ounce of credibility as a source of information?

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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    Wait a minute, people are still giving "pRoJeCt VeRiTaS" an ounce of credibility as a source of information?

    This is like taking TheOnion serious, no?

    Just LMAO wowwww

    actually the source is Jordan Walker a Pfizer Director of Research & Development Strategic Operations

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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    Wait a minute, people are still giving "pRoJeCt VeRiTaS" an ounce of credibility as a source of information?

    This is like taking TheOnion serious, no?

    Just LMAO wowwww
    Are you saying the video is fake?
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    Originally Posted by Avalanche3319 View Post
    Are you saying the video is fake?
    Exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures. Even if I take him, by force, to the Pfizer boardroom and show him their meetings, he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When the pharmaceutical industry crashes his health, then he will understand. But not before that. That is the tragedy of this situation of demoralization.
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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    Wait a minute, people are still giving "pRoJeCt VeRiTaS" an ounce of credibility as a source of information?

    This is like taking TheOnion serious, no?

    Just LMAO wowwww
    Yeah, it's not like the person on video was the director of research at Pfizer or anything.

    It's seriously depressing I have to share a country with you retards.
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    Originally Posted by engj View Post
    There's more to Virology than gain of function. I think the 2014 ban on gain of function research in Virology was because the technology and processes available were insufficiently safe.

    The damage done over the last 3 years because of the NIH end-running around the ban to get it done in China with Eco Health Alliance validate those fears pretty clearly.

    And other than the trillions of dollars in global economic carnage I haven't seen any regulatory consequences.
    Gain of function is a terrible term. If you want to create a library of as many evolutions as you possibly can then some of them will have some gain of function. Is an experiment that has an outcome with a gain of function automatically gain of function research? There was no "ban" on gain of function research in 2014. They stopped funding it and began funding it again 3 years later. Even recent efforts to limit the funding of gain of function research only focused on China...and there are workarounds as you said. It's an incestuous industry.

    Here's a fun quote from the "ban" in 2014:
    The White House today stepped into an ongoing debate about controversial virus experiments with a startling announcement: It is halting all federal funding for so-called gain-of-function (GOF) studies that alter a pathogen to make it more transmissible or deadly so that experts can work out a U.S. government-wide policy for weighing the risks. Federal officials are also asking the handful of researchers doing ongoing work in this area to agree to a voluntary moratorium.

    The "pause on funding," a White House blog states, applies to "any new studies … that may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity and/or transmissibility in mammals via the respiratory route." The government also "encourages those currently conducting this type of work—whether federally funded or not—to voluntarily pause their research while risks and benefits are being reassessed." Research and testing of naturally occurring forms of these pathogens will continue.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm reading his quotes.

    He says they and talks as if he doesn't know. It's in the quotes the op posted. Personally, I believe exact words matter because they do in my industry.
    I don’t like the use of they/them either. I like exact words like he or she. They matter in society.
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    "Don't tell anyone. Promise you won't tell anyone."

    That sounds like something a 13 year old girl would say to her friend.

    Think about that. These are the same people creating and procreating these virus's.

    THAT is the world we live in. People like that doing things that could kill us all.


    And as a side note. I feel so bad for those monkey's and ALL of the animals that scientists experiment on. Makes me sick to see and hear what they go through.
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    The director looks like he's 12 and a DEI hire. No wonder nobody knows what the hell is going on.
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    Originally Posted by LargePeter View Post
    wow...
    Hidden cameras with primary sources giving information is useless. We need more anonymous sources familiar with the matter.
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    Hidden cameras with primary sources giving information is useless. We need more anonymous sources familiar with the matter.
    Correct...what a person actually says is not a reputable source for what they said....CNN advising you on what they really meant is all that matters.
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