they don't need seals like they need rangers , SEALS are not doing a lot of land work any more ,
20 years ago there waz nothing like the SEAL program , now a days there are **** loads of SF type teams , look at the army now they made every one go the the beret, that used to be a SF then only
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I know I'm bumping a kind of retarded thread for this but wow... the lies and mis-information is crazy.
That's great you were strongly considering being a Navy SEAL. There's nothing you can say in facts that would put SEAL training as being tougher than the other groups. Their training is not the longest.
5% success rate is not true. You already said you just heard that from walking into a recruiters office.
Where did you hear all this?
Absolute complete opposite from the truth. There's no possible way to be a Navy SEAL unless you're a Sailor in the Navy. A SEAL is a job in the Navy like any other. If you happen to be a former Soldier or Marine whose trying to be a SEAL you would have to enlist in the Navy after your enlistment with the Marines/ Army is over. Also your grammar is horrible."Adversity reveals genius, prosperity conceals it."
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05-16-2008, 09:25 PM #34
Dude, I hate how people don't give PJ's more credit. Their training can sometimes take upwards of 2 years to complete and last my brother said, who is a PJ, that there is only around 300-400 active PJ's. There is closer to about 2,000 seals and I think there is actually close to 10,000 rangers if I am not mistaking.
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05-16-2008, 09:29 PM #35
success rate is not 5% for SEALs for whoever said that, it is much higher. Even Delta Force is higher than that. This thread is pissing me off because people who don't know what the hell they are talking about feel the need to spill information they do not know **** about.
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Air Force Pararescue. Straight up badasses. I'd **** my pants if I had to do an hour long harassment dive. Training is F*cking crazy.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=177
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05-16-2008, 09:39 PM #39
You can not speak on how DELTA is put together because quite frankly, to the Gov it still kinda doesn't exist to them. We still don't know that much of anything about that SF squad. You will never know of a solider that is DELTA that is alive. I am almost certain those files are sealed and there activities are kept quiet. Plus I have heard they look like normal civilians. You know long hair and beards and sometimes tattoos all over.
My great uncle died at 52 about a decade back from a bout with heart disease. He joined the Navy when he was 17. Did I think 8 years in the Navy. Got out and then joined the Army. Got 2 gov funds before he was 38.
When he died, his file was sealed and we were having a tough time trying to arrange a military funeral for him. Turns out he was a SEAL when he was in the Navy, a Special forces medic in the Army and was ex CIA black ops. We woulda never found this out if he was still alive.
PJ washout % is veryyyy high.Last edited by CallMeGod; 05-16-2008 at 09:42 PM.
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But whatever you do; Through all the rain & the pain; you got to keep your sense of humor;
you've got to smile for me now Remember that. - Tupac Amaru Shakur
Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.
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05-16-2008, 09:40 PM #40
C.I.A's Special Activities Division
"The division has several hundred personnel, most of them former members of Delta Force, Navy SEALs, (including DEVGRU), Army Rangers, Special Forces and USMC Force Recon teams. "
"Within the international intelligence community the SAD is considered to be one of the most skilled Special Operations forces in the world."
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Not true. You can join the Navy and become a Seal. Actually you are misinformed on a few of your posts. For example ever heard of Navy EOD? Infantry is only one MOS in the Army and Marines, there are plenty of non-combat MOS's in the military. "Overrated Seal"??? Are you kidding? Any fuq stick who was lucky enough in the Army to pass land nav with a high score gets to go to Ranger School. C'mon dude, Rangers are not that much more advanced than your basic airborne infantry soldier. They are very valuable and some Ranger units are high speed, but... Seals are not doing land work? Ever hear of Afghanistan? Plenty of Seals doing real missions there... without their flippers even. Lastly, that comment about the Berets was a bit retarded. The reason the Army went to all troops wearing them was for morale. They just happened to pick the Black beret, which was historically for Rangers, hence the Rangers moving to a sand color beret. SCUBA 1? Whatever...Last edited by fenixzona; 05-16-2008 at 11:53 PM.
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05-16-2008, 11:44 PM #47
i love how most everybody who has chimed in, a) has never been there or done that, and b) spewed some sort of bull**** whether its false facts, or calling everybody special forces. special forces are AKA green berets. SPECIAL OPS is the umbrella term. bottom line:
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05-17-2008, 12:27 AM #54
OK, I have to through some stuff out there:
1) To the guy who walked into the recruiters office and wanted to be come a SEAL... kill yourself please. You don't just sign up to be a SEAL big guy and if you believe anything a recruiter says then kill yourself twice.
2) All special operations teams that we are aware of ( SEALS, PJ's, SF {alpha and Bravo det.}, Rangers ) all fall under the command of SOCOM as SOF and each serve a different function specific to their job skills
3) I can't believe I am going to bumb this crap
The fact of the matter is is that there is basically only one SOF job that you can "walk into" and thats an 18X as classified by the Army. It is basically an infantry position which guarantee's you a slot at SFAS AFTER you go through BASIC, Infantry AIT ( which is just extended basic ) and airborne school. Thats 21 weeks in and of itself, through in about 15 days of SFAS on top of that and if you are selected ( remeber that making it through SFAS only means that you are going to be interviewed before they decide if they want you or not) you will begin an oddessy like no other that includes anything from 26 weeks of weapons training to over 52 weeks of medical training topped off with SERE school Robin Sage and followed up by another year or so of bouncing from Mountain traing to Ranger shool to Air Assault to Pathfinder to HALO to Scuba which is then closely followed by your first deployment.
Rangers will kick your ass up one side and down the other because earning your ranger tab doesn't mean sh!t until you earn the scroll on your right shoulder. Rangers are more of a highly trained convetional force whereas SF operates in small indepentdent groups. SEAL's are just bad ass hardcore infantry that specialize in underwater demolitions and water bourne operations BUT don't need some one to tell them what to do. Each operator is an independent entity that works better as a group.
Everyone has given prop's to the SOF and it's well deserved.OH, before I forget... to the jerk weed who was wondering what any of the SEALs or SF has done for us in Afganistan or Iraq... who do you think caught Sadam? Don't kid yourself into thinking that just because you don't see soldiers in uniforms with big bright letters saying "I'm a SOF soldier" that they are not here in force. Go to group headquarters in Ft. Bragg, Ft. Campbell, Ft. Carson and Ft. Stewart and you'll see that they are all ghost towns because everyone is here.
My point of that long drawn out Paragraph is to state that there is more to meets the eye than just wash out numbers and a beret.
BTW: Sorry for skipping over the PJ's. I know they are bad ass but in the Army it's hard to convince some ignorant people that the Airforce has Hooah soldiers too.Last edited by twofortyfan; 05-17-2008 at 12:31 AM. Reason: Forgot to add a comment
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05-17-2008, 01:00 AM #55
I like it even more when they haven't even joined the military yet.
And it's ridiculous to compare specop units. When you get to that level they're all pretty ****ing incredible.
LOL at the guy who said SEAL training is the hardest. Their hell week is considered pretty brutal, but from what I've read the rest of it, while not a walk in the park, isn't incredibly difficult.
To the guy who mentioned the NZSAS doco (NZSAS: First Among Equals, if memory serves it is 4 1 hour episodes). I've seen it and it's very interesting. I think it's one of the first (?) documentaries in the world showing a 'special' unit's selection and training. (Cliff notes: 100 or so guys go for the initial 2 week selection. 5 end up finishing it. After this they're taken into the unit to do their training to prepare them for joining a team. This training lasts a year (two more wash out during this time). Then we see them join their team and do training there (some amphibious training for one guy, surviving in the snow for another guy, and we see the other guy doing a night mission out of a helicopter onto the roof of a skyscraper in the wind )
Oh yeah, and one of our SAS guys recently got awarded the Victoria Cross (our highest medal for gallantry), Cpl William ApiataLast edited by axion; 05-17-2008 at 01:11 AM.
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seals pass rate is around 25-30 percent
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