The Tesla S Plaid isn't even fair, tech geeks are beating everything.

[nosirrahx]

Someone of this forum said it perfectly, its a problem that's hard to see today but has astronomical impacts in the future.

It doesn't matter if this is true. Humans have the right to vote for their own destruction through their collective choices. A group of billionaires don't get to step in and force their own utopia on billions of people.

The way I see it, either the environment is a little fuked and it will work itself out on it own or is completely fuked and there is nothing we can do to stop it now. In either case, powerful people don't get to step and force everyone to change.

[Ramoneb87]

Have they ran the Plaid around the nurburgring yet?

[nosirrahx]

I remember 20 years ago when I was 13, extremely worried about the polar ice caps melting and flooding the entire world.. 20 years later here we are.. lmao

The is one of the biggest problems with environmentalists. They give dire warnings on short time scales and when nothing happens .... they simply give new dire warnings with short time scales.

If these people wanted credibility they would clearly and scientifically explain why their past predictions were wrong but their new ones are correct. There are only 2 reasons to avoid addressing this:

1. Their predictions about the environment are just a tool being used to further a greater agenda so addressing the stuff they get wrong is counterproductive.
2. Their egos are simultaneous so massive and so fragile that they simply cannot contemplate the possibility that their branch of science ever gets anything wrong.

.....and its both.

[JayJ350]

The is one of the biggest problems with environmentalists. They give dire warnings on short time scales and when nothing happens .... they simply give new dire warnings with short time scales.

If these people wanted credibility they would clearly and scientifically explain why their past predictions were wrong but their new ones are correct. There are only 2 reasons to avoid addressing this:

1. Their predictions about the environment are just a tool being used to further a greater agenda so addressing the stuff they get wrong is counterproductive.
2. Their egos are simultaneous so massive and so fragile that they simply cannot contemplate the possibility that their branch of science ever gets anything wrong.

.....and its both.

Back in the 70's they said the world would be uninhabitable by now.

[nosirrahx]

Back in the 70's they said the world would be uninhabitable by now.

Yep, and they never came back to explain why they were wrong. Its kind of nice controlling the media, you know they wont hold you accountable.

[ClivesTriceps]

I don't really care how fast or fancy electric cars get. I'm still going to drive my 79 Camaro with an E85 powered high compression 565 big block. Nothing like the sound and feeling of a powerful internal combustion engine.

Aside from that, RIP electric grid when daddy gubbermint tightens its grip on emissions and mandating EVs

[MikeLowrrrey]

I’m good, I’ll wait for a fast hydrogen powered car. Sticking to the good old combustible engine for now.

Whats special about hydrogen?

[Ramoneb87]

Whats special about hydrogen?

abundancy

[kusok]

Just hear me out for a sec. This is an important topic as it involves the entire world.

The world is basically warming up because of human activities. Left alone, earth wouldn't have some of the extreme weather conditions that is has today. That is why we are seeing more extremes in weather - more land slides, rain, flooding, areas that are dry becomes even drier etc.

Someone of this forum said it perfectly, its a problem that's hard to see today but has astronomical impacts in the future.

Co2 is released from cars and manufacturing. Co2 blocks the suns rays from leaving the earth, because when it hits stuff on the surface of the earth, it bounces back out to space, but Co2 blocks this process, thus making the planet warming.

It's a worthwhile investment to put efforts into conservation. Just think, the luxuries you enjoy today is a result of small investments made by those who came before you. You enjoy highways, buildings, factories today because someone thought of your future. You don't want to fk up the world for the upcoming generations who will have to endure the damages done by the current generations. Its messed up and not right.

Its not just extreme weather, but entire ecosystems can die as a result of this warming. You are talking about entire fish industries getting wiped out. And once that gets wiped out, you are talking about world panic and chaos.

I recently wrote a paper on this in Bio 101 and it was easy to write the paper in just a couple of hours because I understood the concepts. The other students had to take a much longer time because they didn't understand. And Ill prove it to you when the paper gets done graded.

True, conservation efforts shouldn't target the invidual and impose laws on them. It should start with manufacturers. But individuals do need to be highly informed, for they enable manufacturers, since it is based on supply and demand for a product. Individuals must support manufacturers for when they take conservational efforts, and again the only way to do that is to be educated and informed.

In no way does this apply to me. Reduce the waste Al Gore, the Queen of England, Pentagon, and other such scum cause, and you will have solved the problem. No amount of me driving an SUV matters at all, compared to a pentagon tank or Al Gore’s plane or his 30k electric bill.

[Azzurri]

https://www.tiktok.com/@jtmobiledeta...&is_copy_url=0

[darkninja67]

It's pretty crazy when they are looking for hypersport motorcycles and F1 cars to race against these Teslas.

[badbart]

I was looking for a new car wanted to order the Lexus IS500 but they were not getting any for a long time. I was going too order a plaid but they talked me into driving a Model 3 and wow, electric cars are the way to go. I ordered a performance model 3, 11 second quarter mile in a daily drive is insane.

[Destor]

It's pretty crazy when they are looking for hypersport motorcycles and F1 cars to race against these Teslas.

There's lots of stuff on four wheels that can beat it at the end of the day, but not many production vehicles

Pure electric hypercars are around the corner as well, like the Nevera

[engj]

Just hear me out for a sec. This is an important topic as it involves the entire world.

The world is basically warming up because of human activities. Left alone, earth wouldn't have some of the extreme weather conditions that is has today. That is why we are seeing more extremes in weather - more land slides, rain, flooding, areas that are dry becomes even drier etc.

Someone of this forum said it perfectly, its a problem that's hard to see today but has astronomical impacts in the future.

Co2 is released from cars and manufacturing. Co2 blocks the suns rays from leaving the earth, because when it hits stuff on the surface of the earth, it bounces back out to space, but Co2 blocks this process, thus making the planet warming.

It's a worthwhile investment to put efforts into conservation. Just think, the luxuries you enjoy today is a result of small investments made by those who came before you. You enjoy highways, buildings, factories today because someone thought of your future. You don't want to fk up the world for the upcoming generations who will have to endure the damages done by the current generations. Its messed up and not right.

Its not just extreme weather, but entire ecosystems can die as a result of this warming. You are talking about entire fish industries getting wiped out. And once that gets wiped out, you are talking about world panic and chaos.

I recently wrote a paper on this in Bio 101 and it was easy to write the paper in just a couple of hours because I understood the concepts. The other students had to take a much longer time because they didn't understand. And Ill prove it to you when the paper gets done graded.

True, conservation efforts shouldn't target the invidual and impose laws on them. It should start with manufacturers. But individuals do need to be highly informed, for they enable manufacturers, since it is based on supply and demand for a product. Individuals must support manufacturers for when they take conservational efforts, and again the only way to do that is to be educated and informed.

Not to chit on your Bio 101 credentials but a lot of what you are saying is completely wrong, or just repeating Bill Nye level analysis.

Insolation is real, and how much solar energy in that ~40 micron wavelength is being reflected back by atmospheric carbon, and how that contributes to the latest 1-2 degrees of warming is something we should understand. But when doomers tell you that we are nearing a tipping point where it will start some runaway scenario that turns Earth into Venus its complete propaganda. Geologically we are at climbing off an all-time low in atmospheric carbon.

Im an environmentalist. I like the shift to EVs (problematic we plug a lot of them into coal or NG powered plants, we should be flogging nuclear as hard as we can) and truly believe we should stop digging up hydrocarbons and burning them into the air, but if we Thanos-snapped humans into oblivion tomorrow the earth will continue to have wild swings in temperature.

Where I am sitting 12k years ago (which is a geological blink) there was miles of ice. A thousand years ago the global temperature was 8-10 degrees warmer, back when Lief Erickson was farming on Greenland where grass cant grow today. We can map out several 3-5 degree swings in the geological record in just the Holoscene, the ice-core data and Loess studies are online. The Yale geo-carb studies have a lot of good info as well. The earth has shifted from periods of major glacial coverage to periods of no permanent ice over and over again in a regular cycle in the 40-60k year range, likely tied to solar minimums and maximums. Complete ecosystems have been destroyed thousands of times with zero human intervention.

We should be preparing for the inevitability of climate change, but the idea that climate is something you can manage and control within some range of a couple degrees by managing the emissions generated in the last 100 years of industrialization is silly. And the people who are selling you salvation through carbon taxes and solar panels are hucksters. And 90% of them are well meaning, they really believe they are trying to save the world.

If you do ever get into the weeds on these studies be aware of how the science is being politicized. And know any study that looks at swings in temperature while treating the source (a spinning nuclear fireball 1,000,000 times the mass of earth) as an unwavering constant is junk science.

[1slo5oh]

If you do ever get into the weeds on these studies be aware of how the science is being politicized.

Do what now? You say the science is being politicized? I cant believe for a second that's true these days*



















































































































































































*heavy sarcasm

[monty097]

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Yes I know it costs $2M but I don't care, it does to the Plaid what the Plaid usually does to everything else. Unreal.

[tunafishha]

It doesn't matter if this is true. Humans have the right to vote for their own destruction through their collective choices. A group of billionaires don't get to step in and force their own utopia on billions of people.

The way I see it, either the environment is a little fuked and it will work itself out on it own or is completely fuked and there is nothing we can do to stop it now. In either case, powerful people don't get to step and force everyone to change.

Not everyone is voting for their own destruction. Sure, some may. Others don't even know the consequences of their actions. American'ts for one don't care because their genetic line is dying out and they got nothing left to fight for. It's why they pollute so much. I say it's time to nuke them before they warm the planet up even more.

As it is today, blacks pollute the world the least.

[Destor]

Rimac Nevera has entered the chat.

Yes I know it costs $2M but I don't care, it does to the Plaid what the Plaid usually does to everything else. Unreal.

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Surely could produce an EV that would beat the Plaid for much less than $2million, just need to throw in more motors and not go for the Koenigsegg / Pagani / Bugatti type of price bracket with custom and over the top everything

[kovalchuk71]

Surely could produce an EV that would beat the Plaid for much less than $2million, just need to throw in more motors and not go for the Koenigsegg / Pagani / Bugatti type of price bracket with custom and over the top everything

From what I recall in a Chris Harris video, once you get past the 0-60s mark, the 911 Turbo S could beat the original Model S in "ludicrous" mode.

But honestly, who gives a flying fuk about 0-60s times? That's a very small aspect of the driving experience.

[engj]

From what I recall in a Chris Harris video, once you get past the 0-60s mark, the 911 Turbo S could beat the original Model S in "ludicrous" mode.

But honestly, who gives a flying fuk about 0-60s times? That's a very small aspect of the driving experience.

99% of day to day driving happens slower than 60, I would make an argument who gives a flying fuk what happens after 100MPH.

[Kraken]

LMAO! You can get 8s in so many cars for way less money. Buy a mustang, slap on TTs or TVS and DRs, and bam, 8s for about $40k. AND, it DDs like a boss.

What was the price of Tesla S that runs 8s? and how much money in tax payer dollars is used to make the Tesla S more affordable? I'll tell you; 2.44 billion dollars in tax payer money total so far. Thats 10s of thousands PER TESLA sold.

[guest89]

Drove a model X recently. It was interesting to drive and all but EV really isn't my thing. I'll continue to hold my Tesla stock (and invest more in them on the next dip) but owning one doesn't do anything for me.


No thnx Jeff. Next vehicle will be a Diesel F250 super duty.

The thing about these EV's are they are expensive to build. When everyone is using resources the materials will get more expensive. When government grants dry up, the companies will start trying to make them cheaper to sell more of them, You're talking about these future cars will be closer to golf carts and the high end Tesla's we are seeing now.

Also, I just LOL when these idiots thing that just because it's electric it will be so reliable. Even predictions about how car ownership will be. You're trading one set of problems for another.

Tesla has been focusing on driving the cost of production down for a long time. They are working on a sub 20k car that can be fully charged at a super charging station for like $2 or something ridiculous like that. So essentially 300+ miles for $2. Combine that with Tesla insurance for good driving rewards (assuming you don't drive like a retard) and its going to be one of the most cost efficient ways to drive for poorcels.


IMO the biggest issue ahead (as mentioned already ITT) is seeing how these batteries handle crashes. Vehicle overturns, etc. Probably gonna end up being far more dangerous then gasoline engines.

Climate change is a real problem. And if one didn't go to CC or higher education, they wouldn't understand just how bad it is.

I think regulations should start first with producers, which is where most Co2 gits produced. After that, we coming for the gheys with their large suvs and trucks - that means no mo Denalis, RAM, F-150s, etc

I'd buy climate change as a problem if the celebrities/politicians that are preaching about it would quit flying around on private jets. Owning multiple 10,000+ square foot homes that they keep electricity on year round, etc.


There are basically three types of people talking about climate change.

1. The politicians/celebs that contribute more to climate change then hundreds/thousands of individuals do.
2. The elites that are profiting off of the whole 'green' push. (That also fall into category 1 ^)
3. Poorcels that are trying to minimize their life/reduce their emissions/waste levels.

I've been investing in 'green' technology because I've seen its a sector that the government is going to be pushing in the future. But at the same time I know its something the elites just chuckle about.

[luckyboy23]

99% of day to day driving happens slower than 60, I would make an argument who gives a flying fuk what happens after 100MPH.

This is so sad to read.

[engj]

This is so sad to read.

You missed the era of sticking 4:11 gears behind 3spd transmissions.

New corvettes had 185hp, it was dark times you did what you had to

[MikeLowrrrey]

This is so sad to read.

What he said is true. Guys who buy fast cars are getting cucked. That includes me.

There is no point in having a fast car unless you're a serious racer and most of us aren't. Most of us will take our cars to the track once in a blue moon if at all. There are a couple instances where having a fast car is relatively nice, taking off at stop lights and merging. That's really it. I have 300 measly horsepower, I can't imagine 450+, you can barely tap the throttle at that point


With that said, still getting a fast car.

[MikeLowrrrey]

I was looking for a new car wanted to order the Lexus IS500 but they were not getting any for a long time. I was going too order a plaid but they talked me into driving a Model 3 and wow, electric cars are the way to go. I ordered a performance model 3, 11 second quarter mile in a daily drive is insane.

Electric isn't the way to go and never will be. When a car is so flawless and doing everything it becomes boring. Why do you think guys buy old 90s RX7 and remove power steering and put on a huge turbo?

[Kraken]

What he said is true. Guys who buy fast cars are getting cucked. That includes me.

There is no point in having a fast car unless you're a serious racer and most of us aren't. Most of us will take our cars to the track once in a blue moon if at all. There are a couple instances where having a fast car is relatively nice, taking off at stop lights and merging. That's really it. I have 300 measly horsepower, I can't imagine 450+, you can barely tap the throttle at that point


With that said, still getting a fast car.

I refused to have a car with less than 500whp at one time. Too then to the track a few times, but chit breaks so fast when you’re launching it the way they need to be.

My favorite was an f150 with Roush supercharger putting down about 550whp. Ran 11s, which isn’t terribly fast, but it drove real nice on the road and still did the work I needed (hauled a trailer and RVs with it). Had a custom MPT tune and HP tuners all in one gauge, Nittos, and kept the exhaust quiet so I didn’t draw attention in the street. Real sleeper!

Last two cars was a hellcat and Cadi CTS-V. Sold the HC for a profit, and got rid of the CTSV because we moved to a farm in need a truck again. Currently stock with no intentions of Modding it. I do miss having a fun car like that, but my priorities have changed

[dannyg1217]

abundancy

also a rolling bomb

Also abundance is not as simple as one would think. It's dependent on electrolysis. Which requires energy abundance for your statement to be true. Since we're not on nuclear I'd say that's a crazy statement.