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    Originally Posted by 128 View Post
    OP has a point,


    imagine spending a decade in the gym to end up looking worse than a teenager taking Flintstones vitamins for 2 years
    Yeah, but imagine what that person looks like without that 2 years in the gym. Some muscle is better than no muscle.
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    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    Yeah, but imagine what that person looks like without that 2 years in the gym. Some muscle is better than no muscle.
    You're so petty lmao.
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    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    Yeah, but imagine what that person looks like without that 2 years in the gym. Some muscle is better than no muscle.
    stop changing the thread subject smh
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    You're so petty lmao.
    How is that petty?

    Originally Posted by RogahMoore View Post
    stop changing the thread subject smh
    I'm not, I'm replying to what someone said.
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    Originally Posted by RogahMoore View Post
    Most powerlifters look like chit and so unbalanced, dont post some fukin rare powerlifter on dat der to justify your point like dan green
    Lmao a lot of powerlifters these days aren't fat fuks like back then in the 90s and 2000s. Some of them look good even though their main focus is strength and not hypertrophy. If you actually watch powerlifting videos on YouTube or go on IG you can see that even natural lifters have a decent physique let alone enhanced lifters whose physique is incredible for being a powerlifter.

    Why don't you post a picture of yourself and your physique instead of talking chit about other people who are dedicated to the gym and won't settle for average and mediocrity? I bet you won't *******.
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    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    How is that petty?
    It's comical too lol.
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    Originally Posted by RogahMoore View Post
    lmao i literally referenced you in my 3rd or 4th post ITT

    Every person always has a jacked af friend that we'll never see

    Also lol at thinking 10% of the population can look like that, you are delusional
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    Lmao

    When I was just out of college I had one solid year where I lifted. And by lifted, I mean:
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    DOMS every day, drop sets, 10x10 volume, etc

    I already had a solid work ethic from boxing so just applied it to something different

    The gains were plentiful.

    The reality is very few people have the will to sustain that lifestyle (obviously I do not) so either accept mediocre progress or turn to the dark side to get the same results without the same lifestyle restrictions.

    Admitting you aren’t willing to make the sacrifices to get gains as a natty is fine, but saying it’s not possible is cope
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    Originally Posted by r32gojirra View Post
    Lmao

    When I was just out of college I had one solid year where I lifted. And by lifted, I mean:
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    DOMS every day, drop sets, 10x10 volume, etc

    I already had a solid work ethic from boxing so just applied it to something different

    The gains were plentiful.

    The reality is very few people have the will to sustain that lifestyle (obviously I do not) so either accept mediocre progress or turn to the dark side to get the same results without the same lifestyle restrictions.

    Admitting you aren’t willing to make the sacrifices to get gains as a natty is fine, but saying it’s not possible is cope
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    Originally Posted by Dogkrack View Post
    lol at destroying your endocrine system if you arent getting paid massive amounts of money for it.
    this OP is dumb as fuk cuz

    also I'm natty, 200 pounds 5'10 u mad?
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    The physique in OP is actually pretty good,most lifters don't even achieve that since they are perma bulk mode.Also just LOL @ worrying about small details to max out as a natty,80-90% of your progress is made in the first couple of years,no point in giving so much effort just to get those last 10-20% of gains which will not be that noticeable anyways
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    Yeah but imagine having no nuts, erections, broke and being skinny fat once you stop while the natty retains everything
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    i'm 6'2'' 190 lbs after 10 years of on and off natty lifting
    maybe i should try harder
    or is such is life as a natty lifter?
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    i agree. i used to think this was achieveable natural

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    Originally Posted by solidus2k3 View Post
    i'm 6'2'' 190 lbs after 10 years of on and off natty lifting
    maybe i should try harder
    or is such is life as a natty lifter?
    id expect 190 lean at 5'11. At 6'2 you need to be at least 205
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    Originally Posted by UknowWho11 View Post
    this OP is dumb as fuk cuz

    also I'm natty, 200 pounds 5'10 u mad?
    are you guys retarded? When did OP ever say you had to ride a bike, he said natties are delusional about whats achievable, strong low IQ ITT
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    Originally Posted by r32gojirra View Post
    Lmao

    When I was just out of college I had one solid year where I lifted. And by lifted, I mean:
    -only 1 rest day a week
    -religiously hit the big compounds
    -never missed a meal
    -never touched alcohol
    -ate enough food
    -are/drank every available legal supplement
    -ate only good quality food
    -got enough sleep

    DOMS every day, drop sets, 10x10 volume, etc

    I already had a solid work ethic from boxing so just applied it to something different

    The gains were plentiful.

    The reality is very few people have the will to sustain that lifestyle (obviously I do not) so either accept mediocre progress or turn to the dark side to get the same results without the same lifestyle restrictions.

    Admitting you aren’t willing to make the sacrifices to get gains as a natty is fine, but saying it’s not possible is cope
    Yet your avi you literally look like chit LMAO. You are delusional
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    Originally Posted by InForNegs View Post
    The physique in OP is actually pretty good,most lifters don't even achieve that since they are perma bulk mode.Also just LOL @ worrying about small details to max out as a natty,80-90% of your progress is made in the first couple of years,no point in giving so much effort just to get those last 10-20% of gains which will not be that noticeable anyways
    Agree, unless you want to make a career who gives a fuk. I just lift to look good in clothes, look good naked and be athletic/strong
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    Originally Posted by ScottTil View Post
    bro I wish I looked like the dude in 1st pic.
    That kinda body make young sloots wet bro
    Funny thing is a lot of sloots do like that type physique
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    Originally Posted by davik View Post
    i agree. i used to think this was achieveable natural

    lol we've all been naive, no shame
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    Originally Posted by manletlord1 View Post
    Funny thing is a lot of sloots do like that type physique
    he'd look too small in clothes
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    Originally Posted by Sublime25 View Post
    Yeah but imagine having no nuts, erections, broke and being skinny fat once you stop while the natty retains everything
    he never said you have to take gear you idiot
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    If you have good genetics and a good work ethic, and you are consistent, you will achieve a great physique naturally. If you have bad genetics i wouldnt even waste my time and id focus only on staying in good shape but hey, thats my opinion.
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    Originally Posted by Ken-O View Post
    If you have good genetics and a good work ethic, and you are consistent, you will achieve a great physique naturally. If you have bad genetics i wouldnt even waste my time and id focus only on staying in good shape but hey, thats my opinion.
    i think a person with bad genetics can still add a decent amount of muscle but they might not LOOK as good (e.g narrow clavicles, wide waist etc). But anyone can achieve a 6.5/10 physique
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    2nd picture guy could easily be short as well. Therefore he looks wider and thicker. Don't know what his stats are.

    Most of the really jacked natural guys at my gym are also under 5'10'' and have shorter arms and legs. Therefore lifting heavier is generally easier and adding muscle onto their frame makes them look denser.

    Ectomorph crew meanwhile cries in the corner like me. Long femurs, long humerus and narrow clavicle crew. I'd have to go on sauce if I wanted to look big, it's just the short end of the genetic stick when it comes to weightlifting. I'm built for running and endurance, not strength.
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    Lifter or bodybuilder?

    Natty lifters typically just do it for the hobby and for the exercise. Absolutely nothing wrong with this type of lifter. Most are not serious and I think the majority know that there are limitations and don't expect to be the next Arnold.

    Natty bodybuilding has been, and always will be, an absolute joke filled with newbies, delusional *******s, and conmen. Fortunately most serious bodybuilders realize this once they start hitting their peak after about a year or two, and realize the gains have stopped.

    You can get pretty yoked as a natty though. I was repping 245x12 on the bench, and was a leanish 175lbs at 5'9". My gains ground to a halt around 160lbs though, and I spent 3 years putting on that 15lbs, and put fat on in the process.

    Life is absolutely brutal for a natty after a certain point.
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    Originally Posted by WoofieNugget View Post
    2nd picture guy could easily be short as well. Therefore he looks wider and thicker. Don't know what his stats are.

    Most of the really jacked natural guys at my gym are also under 5'10'' and have shorter arms and legs. Therefore lifting heavier is generally easier and adding muscle onto their frame makes them look denser.

    Ectomorph crew meanwhile cries in the corner like me. Long femurs, long humerus and narrow clavicle crew. I'd have to go on sauce if I wanted to look big, it's just the short end of the genetic stick when it comes to weightlifting. I'm built for running and endurance, not strength.
    He's 6ft. He's called mike thurston, all over youtube and instagram

    Lol somotypes is cope. Eat more and get stronger
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    Originally Posted by Spetznaaz View Post
    Any miscers here who are natty with really good physiques can you post pics?

    I'm really curious to see examples of what can possibly be attained naturally.
    I'm natty, 30 years of training, pics are in my profile.
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    Originally Posted by lockdev View Post
    Lifter or bodybuilder?

    Natty lifters typically just do it for the hobby and for the exercise. Absolutely nothing wrong with this type of lifter. Most are not serious and I think the majority know that there are limitations and don't expect to be the next Arnold.

    Natty bodybuilding has been, and always will be, an absolute joke filled with newbies, delusional *******s, and conmen. Fortunately most serious bodybuilders realize this once they start hitting their peak after about a year or two, and realize the gains have stopped.

    You can get pretty yoked as a natty though. I was repping 245x12 on the bench, and was a leanish 175lbs at 5'9". My gains ground to a halt around 160lbs though, and I spent 3 years putting on that 15lbs, and put fat on in the process.

    Life is absolutely brutal for a natty after a certain point.
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