This is the kind of poster I'm talking about. OP wants to biasly target a certain type of misc poster, but then you have plenty of these guys and those who support him roaming around the misc. If racism is a problem on the misc, then it's "equal opportunity" racism where no demographics are safe.
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Thread: When did misc become so racist?
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06-26-2020, 12:25 PM #301
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06-26-2020, 12:26 PM #302
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06-26-2020, 12:29 PM #303
The people who accuse me of racism are actual racists anyway, so not really. If there isn't a reasonable standard or parameters for the label anymore, then it doesn't have any "bite" to it. It's meaningless as a label. As another poster mentioned, it's the social ostracization and cancel culture involved with the label that's the actual problem.
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06-26-2020, 12:31 PM #304
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06-26-2020, 12:32 PM #305
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06-26-2020, 12:34 PM #306
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06-26-2020, 12:39 PM #308
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06-26-2020, 12:47 PM #309
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06-26-2020, 12:48 PM #310
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If we ever did the calculations on reparations, African Americans would end up owing money.
Entire NYPD should go on strike. You'll see then how quickly the mayor changes his tone.
"Dig with your hands, not with your mouths"
Entire NYPD should go on strike. You'll see then how quickly the mayor changes his tone.
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06-26-2020, 12:53 PM #311
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06-26-2020, 12:57 PM #312
Will just have to agree to disagree then. I call stupid people of whatever color monkeys all the time. Never been a race thing. Always been a dumb human thing in my eyes.
THAT is a pretty racist term though if you're using it exclusively on black people. Not what I was doing though.
See, though? This is the problem with WORDS, and how letting WORDS affect you is just dumb. I realize people are hyper-sensitive though so I changed it to 'animals' for anyone who went blind reading the word Monkey out of context.
Btw- I don't know what dindus or joggers are, but am more than familiar with savage - IMO the real racism in this country is against the Natives.
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06-26-2020, 01:37 PM #313
You should try reading some books. There's a huge difference between a historically oppressed group asserting their rights and a historically dominant group attempting to reassert their dominance and power. And cops kill blacks far more disproportionately in comparison to their share of the overall population than they do whites or any other group.
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06-26-2020, 01:42 PM #314
I don't need to read the entire thing to know that’s it bull**** that you didn’t even fact source. Only 1% of Whites owned slaves? In the South, about a third of White families owned at least one slave and in some states, as much as half. If you’re going to make an argument, don’t pull up fake states from whatever bull**** site you copied and pasted that from
https://www.history.com/news/5-myths-about-slavery
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06-26-2020, 01:42 PM #315
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06-26-2020, 01:45 PM #316
Except most of this isn’t facts, it’s bull**** that he copied and pasted
These are the real factts, make your argument with them
https://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/se..._slavery_i.htm
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06-26-2020, 08:51 PM #317
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06-26-2020, 09:05 PM #319
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33% to 50% owned slaves? That's a ridiculous statement and completely untrue. I don't give two fukks that the History Channel says so. Those cucks are intellectually dishonest and constantly release 'facts' that simply aren't true. Sometimes the falsehoods are outright lies, but they're typically a disingenuous, hard spin or lie by omission.
However, back to the point of slave owners. Even most Liberal historians agree that the total percentage of White slave owners were in the single digits. Some claim 1-2%, others as high as 8%, but most estimations fall somewhere between the two. Certainly nowhere close to half. Purchasing and owning slaves was extraordinarily expensive; not something that the general public could afford considering that the overwhelming majority of people lived in poverty.MAGA
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06-26-2020, 10:13 PM #320
You ignore the second link, you twat.
This is from 1860 Census data:
https://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/se..._slavery_i.htm
It’s the truth. No liberal historian or any historian interested in a modicum of truth beloved your bull****.
A third of Southern families had at least one slave. Fact. Plantations were expensive but a single slave was not so expensive that a middle class farming family could not afford at least one. Also, 60% of the nation’s wealthiest men lived in the South.
The figure might get down to 8% if you consider individuals in the United States as a whole but you would have to come ignore the fact that slavery was illegal in the North, women rarely had the right to own anything in their own name, and children of course did not own slaves! Intellectually dishonest. Show me your sources
https://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/se..._slavery_i.htm
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06-26-2020, 10:42 PM #321
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I'm not going to dig through historical data to prove a point that is already widely accepted, but I'll offer this simple math problem.
In 1850 (15 years before abolishment) the population of the U.S. was roughly 25 million. The TOTAL number of recorded slaves ever imported to the U.S. was roughly 600,000. I'll even spot you another 100k in possible unrecorded smuggling operations.
700k imported over 200 years of slaving. By 1850, the total number of slaves in the U.S. had increased to slightly over 3 million resulting from generational growth, but even then your figures are a literal impossibility. Especially when the plantations of the South housed a huge percentage of those slaves.
And no, most normal families could not afford a single slave. In 1850, the cost of an average, healthy male slave age 20-50 was $400-$800 (or $13,000 to $26,000 adjusted for inflation). Children, women, the old, and the sick were less costly, but slaves were still out of reach for MOST people.
You have no idea what you're talking about.MAGA
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06-26-2020, 11:01 PM #322
You have no idea what you’re talking about. As I said before, the real intellectual dishonesty is ignoring that most of the population was composed of family units where women and children had no ownership rights. The real intellectual dishonesty is ignoring the fact that slavery was illegal in the North. How many adult White men lived in States were it was legal to own a slave? That number is far less than 25 million, it’s a lot less than the 6 million Whites that lived in the South.
If you actually looked at the link I showed with state from 1860, census, the yearly income of White family in the South far exceeded the cost of a single slave. It was nearly $4k a year. You’re telling me that someone would not a car that was worth 10% of their income even it made their lives 10x easier?
So you’ll refuse to look at statistical because it proves you wrong. You’re pulling numbers out of you ass without any links to where you got them because every fact-based source will tell you the same thing I said. You’re sad.
I suppose I’ll just have to copy and past the entire thing for you.
(unless otherwise noted, all data is as of the 1860 census)
Total number of slaves in the Lower South : 2,312,352 (47% of total population).
Total number of slaves in the Upper South: 1,208758 (29% of total population).
Total number of slaves in the Border States: 432,586 (13% of total population).
Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. The total number of slave owners was 385,000 (including, in Louisiana, some free Negroes). As for the number of slaves owned by each master, 88% held fewer than twenty, and nearly 50% held fewer than five. (A complete table on slave-owning percentages is given at the bottom of this page.)
For comparison's sake, let it be noted that in the 1950's, only 2% of American families owned corporation stocks equal in value to the 1860 value of a single slave. Thus, slave ownership was much more widespread in the South than corporate investment was in 1950's America.
On a typical plantation (more than 20 slaves) the capital value of the slaves was greater than the capital value of the land and implements.
Confederate enlistment data is incomplete because many records were lost when the South collapsed, but it is possible to estimate, very loosely, the number of men in the Confederate army who came from slave-holding families. For this discussion, click here.
Slavery was profitable, although a large part of the profit was in the increased value of the slaves themselves. With only 30% of the nation's (free) population, the South had 60% of the "wealthiest men." The 1860 per capita income in the South was $3,978; in the North it was $2,040.
Census data can be appealed to in order to determine the extent of slave ownership in each of the states that allowed it in 1860. The figures given here are the percentage of slave-owning families as a fraction of total free households in the state. The data was taken from a census archive site at the University of Virginia.
Mississippi: 49%
South Carolina: 46%
Georgia: 37%
Alabama: 35%
Florida: 34%
Louisiana: 29%
Texas: 28%
North Carolina: 28%
Virginia: 26%
Tennessee: 25%
Kentucky: 23%
Arkansas: 20%
Missouri: 13%
Maryland: 12%
Delaware: 3%
In the Lower South (SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, TX, FL -- those states that seceded first), about 36.7% of the white families owned slaves. In the Middle South (VA, NC, TN, AR -- those states that seceded only after Fort Sumter was fired on) the percentage is around 25.3%, and the total for the two combined regions -- which is what most folks think of as the Confederacy -- is 30.8%. In the Border States (DE, MD, KY, MO -- those slave states that did not secede) the percentage of slave-ownership was 15.9%, and the total throughout the slave states was almost exactly 26%.Last edited by PutangRocky; 06-26-2020 at 11:09 PM.
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06-26-2020, 11:06 PM #323
Its true though, they are ruining not just society but humanity. If our forefathers who fought for this country in world war 1 and 2 (among every other war) could see us now and feel emotion they would probably feel regret for dying for us because they werent a bunch of pansies and shiet stains like these liberals and blm people.
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06-26-2020, 11:08 PM #324
LOL op is a ****
It’s simple
Here people are able to think critically so we will call out all the bullchit
And it’s so happens that the new backward bullchit being pushed is some liberal Marxist agenda and the worships of black .
Which is again for any normal critically thinking person absurd and very dangerous for society.
Go phuck yourself op
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06-26-2020, 11:09 PM #325
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06-26-2020, 11:20 PM #326
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06-27-2020, 12:03 AM #327
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I clicked the link so I haven't "refused" to look at anything.
It's impossible to take anything you say seriously when you say things like -- "Slavery was illegal in the North." Slavery was legal throughout the country until the very early 1800s when it was formally abolished (only about 60 years before the ban went nationwide), but it didn't end completely for quite a number of years later. For example, indentured servants lasted for decades in the North after abolishment.
You keep trying to resize your argument so that it'll fit in to the tiny, little box of ONLY adults able to own land, in the South. My argument has never been statistics specifically regarding the South. What I said, if you go back and read you'd see, is that the total number of eligible slave owning Americans was in the single digits (percentile).
You also expose how much of a fool you are when flippantly discuss the household economics of the average 1850 household. I don't disagree that the GROSS household income was in the low thousands; that's relatively accurate. However, there was very little left week over week and slaves weren't like modern cars that you could finance for 72 months. Furthermore, it doesn't matter that a slave was "only 10% of their total income." You're a total retard for arguing it in such terms. The reality is that most people simply didn't have 10% to 20% of their gross earnings on hand at any point. Hiring a chef, maid, or chauffeur would make a lot of modern lives infinitely easier, but they can't afford them either. To further illustrate - How many modern households making 75k-100k could come up with 20k (modern pricing for a slave) in cash? Very, very few.
I couldn't care less if you reply or don't. I'm done wasting time on a truly pointless debate. This isn't my first rodeo, I've actually studied and written several papers about slavery. I'm not "Google" warring with you.
Here's a low-effort bone
https://eh.net/encyclopedia/slavery-...united-states/Last edited by ArchangelST; 06-27-2020 at 12:18 AM.
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06-27-2020, 12:09 AM #328
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