A murderer lives here': Protesters scrawl graffiti outside the home of white cop Derek Chauvin who knelt on George Floyd's neck for eight minutes until he passed out and later died
I think he best get the fuk out of Dodge or face street justice
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05-28-2020, 09:19 AM #61𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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05-28-2020, 10:01 AM #64
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You're attempting to argue against it's importance when all the LEOs I train w/think it SHOULD be mandatory. I said they should only advance that skill not be advanced and would really only need to chose one type (Judo, BJJ ect). There's obviously SOP for dealing with situations which I'd imagine talks about force. The problem is (like I tried to illustrate w/my reply to LWW ) is that knowing how and how much is a "skill" taught not just instinct (in general).
As for "on their own dime and time", again, this can be mandated and applied towards continuing education (think teachers). FTR, it can also be baked into their day as doing 1hr 4 days a week is plenty. I know many professionals who use their lunch break to train. I've addressed the funding issue but I also know it's not ALL gyms who offer free or deep discounted rates for LEO's. Lastly on funding, we sure can find enough funds to play in the sandbox for decades I'm sure we could find some to properly train our police force.
Again, all I'm advocating is for continuing education beyond academy skills - just like required range time and weapon certification (which varies by agency).
So what are you advocating? Just more classroom time saying "don't use excessive force" and watching some training videos on what excessive force is? What is your actual suggestion other than throwing your hands up when the "policy" isn't followed? Educate me.☻/
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Access denied, deleted most of my reply...forum sucks
Great question!
When the policy isn't followed, you hold them accountable as individuals. Very simple. Change the entire 'qualified immunity' shenanigans. Come down with the full weight of the law when and where it is called for.
For example, the Daniel Shaver incident did not see appropriate follow up. That was murder or at least manslaughter of some degree.
For example, push the investigation in this case and go to criminal trial. This is murder or at least manslaughter of some degree.
For example, when a no knock raid on the wrong house is conducted out of uniform in the middle of the night and the cops shoot and kill an innocent person in the house, that is murder or at least manslaughter of some degree.
Hold them accountable for these actions and the rest of the cops out there will take notice and put more thought into WTF they do
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05-28-2020, 10:24 AM #67
Seen some accounts of a looter being shot and killed by a pawn shop owner, haven't seen any reliable sources reporting it yet.
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ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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05-28-2020, 10:24 AM #68There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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05-28-2020, 10:38 AM #71𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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Question:
So what are you advocating? Just more classroom time saying "don't use excessive force" and watching some training videos on what excessive force is? What is your actual suggestion other than throwing your hands up when the "policy" isn't followed? Educate me.
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Hold them accountable (for real, not like we have)
Do you have a better idea on how to proactively keep everybody in the country from breaking their employer's policies?
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I think it's bs that people are trying to make this a race issue, it's an issue of having @sshole cops who act like thugs & will do that exact same thing against people of any color. Its not about training in various martial arts either, this guy George was already handcuffed and had at 1 point 3 cops holding him down which once again is just @ssholes being what they are. I guarantee the upper echelon in that police department knew these individuals were over zealous wannabe Rambo @ssholes and nobody ever said or did anything to weed them out of the department. Far too many cops have that fukked up mentality of being "the man" and as Cartman said you will "respect my authority". This needs to be reigned in & cops shouldn't have carte blanche to pretty much do and say anything they want.
"You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn't? Yeah, well, I don't have one of those."
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I'm not the one saying that's the only solution. I think you can be both proactive and reactive. You seem to be arguing against that. I'm arguing for continued training being mandatory, or at the very least, tied to compensation. It goes w/o saying despite any training individuals will break from policy or best practices and of course hold them accountable. However, if one is trained on how and how much force is needed to apprehend and control an individual I'm willing to bet these type of incidences will decline.
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05-28-2020, 01:11 PM #80𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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05-28-2020, 01:23 PM #81
Corbi when you hear about a story like this before seeing it, who do you think is involved? I know who I think and it is, it is always the same dynamic and characters. Never do I see a Chinese guy or an Indian guy or a Middle Eastern guy, or a Jewish guy having this happen to them ; and you can't tell me that they are all perfect upstanding citizens who never engage in any type of wrongdoing.
Maybe it was because this guy was 6 ft 7 and the cops were scared, but there is an obvious pattern since I have been following incidents like this.
Let's remove the word race and try and figure out what else the cops are focusing in on. Is it tall guys, dark guys, fake 20 dollar bill guys, we can figure it out.
It is 2020 and we can do way better than this.Last edited by x-trainer ben; 05-28-2020 at 02:08 PM.
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05-28-2020, 02:03 PM #84
Perhaps the media won't show you those scenarios?
There is racism in this country for sure, I can point out several areas within 20 minutes where I live, that I can't walk down because I'm white. They are dangerous streets for any race, but unless a white person is there in a car to buy dope, they best get out or get an ass whipping, and the skin color will be verbalized to you while getting the beat down. I've known more than one person foolishly get stranded and having to pass through those areas, get the beat down.
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