🤪🤪🤪 COVID-19 Misinformation, Speculation, Conspiracy Theories Thread #1 🤪🤪🤪

[TreyTrey]

Lol at you Americans worried about it, pretty sure you're more likely to get shot than get it.

[Procta]

[redmelly]

This is a good place to see up to date stats.

https://wuflu.live/

[bsrkoacar]

I've thought coronavirus was nothing but a scare tactic from the beginning. My town is currently having an epidemic of influenza A, which has a way higher death rate than coronavirus and nobody says anything. Then people say coronavirus is so scary because it might mutate.... Every bacteria and virus has the chance of mutating. Idk, seems like a lot of press for something that doesn't have much clout

[GlennQuagmire]

lol at you americans worried about it, pretty sure you're more likely to get shot than get it.

this.

[ANumber1]

My town is currently having an epidemic of influenza A, which has a way higher death rate than coronavirus

Except it doesn't. I don't know how this potato meme started except that I know one article incorrectly compared the per-hospitalization rate for influenza. The death rate for influenza is thought to be roughly .1%, or 1-in-1,000 cases. One more time, with feeling: the per-hospitalization death rate for influenza is very high because almost everyone has natural defenses against it and the cases that progress to life-threatening pneumonia or other complications are relatively rare and severe. Almost nobody who gets the flu ends up in the hospital, and if you do, there's a good chance that it's because you're dying.

As it stands, the hospitalization rate for novel coronavirus is extremely high, reportedly 25% at one point, and the official death rate stands at 2%, about twenty times higher than influenza and closer to the 1918 Spanish Flu. We don't know for sure yet how contagious it really is or what the death rate will ultimately be, but based on the number of people who are apparently becoming severely ill and needing hospitalization, an outbreak of novel coronavirus which spread as widely as an ordinary influenza season in the United States would be a major crisis that would overwhelm the medical system. It's not something to panic over, but preventing this is no joke. There's a reason the situation has deteriorated so badly in Wuhan.

[jasticus]

I've thought coronavirus was nothing but a scare tactic from the beginning. My town is currently having an epidemic of influenza A, which has a way higher death rate than coronavirus and nobody says anything. Then people say coronavirus is so scary because it might mutate.... Every bacteria and virus has the chance of mutating. Idk, seems like a lot of press for something that doesn't have much clout

It’s a disservice to say the flu is worse. For one this is still on going it’s just beginning. No one knows anything about it. No viable treatment. No accurate testing. No accurate data of real death static’s and it’s a Ro 4 while flu is 1. This is way worse than the flu.

[jasticus]

Lol at you Americans worried about it, pretty sure you're more likely to get shot than get it.

This is the dumbest chit ever. Not even close to being true.

[Johnez]

Good article from doc on the ground at the very start of it all:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/ea...tain-the-virus

[lifter2019]

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really wish i was a stemcel so i could understand what this means. sounds bad

[Fuqdatass]

This is the dumbest chit ever. Not even close to being true.

Your posts in here are so hysterical it sounds like you’re hoping for a plague. You predicate half of your opinions on loose facts and conspiracies regarding Chinese media.

YOU are the dumbest chit ever.

[TaeBoNinja]

Your posts in here are so hysterical it sounds like you’re hoping for a plague. You predicate half of your opinions on loose facts and conspiracies regarding Chinese media.

YOU are the dumbest chit ever.

I swear dude is in some poverty bunker, curled up in a ball watching CT youtube vids.

[ANumber1]

It’s a disservice to say the flu is worse. For one this is still on going it’s just beginning. No one knows anything about it. No viable treatment. No accurate testing. No accurate data of real death static’s and it’s a Ro 4 while flu is 1. This is way worse than the flu.

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, suggesting that R0 = 4. Even 3 may be high.

In addition, influenza does not have an R0 = 1. It's closer to 1.5.

There is, in fact, accurate testing. It's just backlogged.

This is definitely more serious than the flu, but you're hysterical, brah. Want us to slap you?

[Barteh]

Dutch media is reporting that some Chinese hospitals are refusing new patients because staff is also infected and that Chinese state media is not reporting that at all.

[Johnez]

^Interesting, link? I hope that's not the case. Current graph from Johns Hopkins, looks like it's leveling off:



Haven't been as many updates lately though.

[jasticus]

Not hysterical. I can see patterns and trends and know where this is going.

[Johnez]

Wenzhou, another city outside of Hubei province now under lockdown.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/world-n...1nJ8lsX8H.html

[Johnez]

Not hysterical. I can see patterns and trends and know where this is going.

Yeah, anybody downplaying this, especially considering China's insanely over the top response is a complete potato. The rest of the world seems to have escaped having a major crisis, however I doubt this will be the case next week as airport scanning is very ineffective and the stories I've read about people coming from China coming down with this have me worried. The attitude seems very lax. First the Washington case said 40 some people were exposed, but every story since "uh, they stayed home except to seek medical care, nobody was exposed." Yeah fukkin right. I'll eat my words if nothing comes out of this, but I guarantee we're going to have some outbreaks, maybe in Europe.

[Underwrought]

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, suggesting that R0 = 4. Even 3 may be high.

In addition, influenza does not have an R0 = 1. It's closer to 1.5.

There is, in fact, accurate testing. It's just backlogged.

This is definitely more serious than the flu, but you're hysterical, brah. Want us to slap you?

I love when ignorant people pipe up. In fact NO the currest tests have proven VERY unreliable. Testing positive or negative with the same person.

https://www.businessinsider.com/test...dc-says-2020-1

[ANumber1]

I love when ignorant people pipe up. In fact NO the currest tests have proven VERY unreliable. Testing positive or negative with the same person.

https://www.businessinsider.com/test...dc-says-2020-1

First, I take issue with the comparison to HIV testing: HIV testing is well-known to be ineffective prior to an incubation period and still has a 1-in-20 chance of being inaccurate a month after infection. Guy claiming "100% certainty" is full of chit.

Second, here is the original context for the relevant quote from the CDC:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...us-task-force/

This was in a discussion about testing patients in quarantine and the lack of understanding about asymptomatic carriage. I haven't heard any concerns about the accuracy of the testing of phlegm of symptomatic patients. What I have heard, repeatedly, are concerns that the Chinese are processing so many tests that they're probably mishandling them.

As far as I know, there's also no indication that asymptomatic patients are anywhere near as contagious, although there's evidence that it's possible.

Still waiting for the reputable source alleging an R0 of 4.

[Johnez]

Meanwhile the knuckleheads in England still looking for 438 travellers from Wuhan....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...tain-vwdlw05km

[Underwrought]

First, I take issue with the comparison to HIV testing: HIV testing is well-known to be ineffective prior to an incubation period and still has a 1-in-20 chance of being inaccurate a month after infection. Guy claiming "100% certainty" is full of chit.

Second, here is the original context for the relevant quote from the CDC:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...us-task-force/

This was in a discussion about testing patients in quarantine and the lack of understanding about asymptomatic carriage. I haven't heard any concerns about the accuracy of the testing of phlegm of symptomatic patients. What I have heard, repeatedly, are concerns that the Chinese are processing so many tests that they're probably mishandling them.

As far as I know, there's also no indication that asymptomatic patients are anywhere near as contagious, although there's evidence that it's possible.

Still waiting for the reputable source alleging an R0 of 4.

Get ready to **** your pants then.

This is Dr John Campbell



sorry had wrong vid this is it.

[ANumber1]

Get ready to **** your pants then.

This is Dr John Campbell

First, a quick Google says he's a "UK-based independent health analyst", which I read as "YouTube entertainer". Second, this video is twenty fukking minutes long and I have a job. Mind pointing me to the relevant portion which would contradict the usual with these things?

[Underwrought]

First, a quick Google says he's a "UK-based independent health analyst", which I read as "YouTube entertainer". Second, this video is twenty fukking minutes long and I have a job. Mind pointing me to the relevant portion which would contradict the usual with these things?

How do you read that as youtube 'entertainer'? He has a Doctorate and makes videos on YT about human anatomy and doctor ****. Youre not looking for truth your looking for a reason to dismiss everything.

And no you have to watch it to understand it all, but basically ...

A documented case of nCoV in Germany ...

Man meets woman from China (not Wuhan, Shanghai)
Woman does not have any symptoms to Germany and/or when meeting man (Patient 1)
Woman leave Germany goes back to China, starts to get symptoms
Man gets symptoms 3 days later
Sick for 2 days
Gets better AND STILL SHEDDING THE VIRUS

This was all documented by the New England Medical Journal.

[XcelerateNYC]

I can't believe some of you can see what's going on china and not be at least a little concerned. Chits fukked up over there.

[ANumber1]

How do you read that as youtube 'entertainer'? He has a Doctorate and makes videos on YT about human anatomy and doctor ****. Youre not looking for truth your looking for a reason to dismiss everything.

And no you have to watch it to understand it all, but basically ...

A documented case of nCoV in Germany ...

Man meets woman from China (not Wuhan, Shanghai)
Woman does not have any symptoms to Germany and/or when meeting man (Patient 1)
Woman leave Germany goes back to China, starts to get symptoms
Man gets symptoms 3 days later
Sick for 2 days
Gets better AND STILL SHEDDING THE VIRUS

This was all documented by the New England Medical Journal.

Now that you've updated the link, I can follow along with what you were intending.

So first, as for this guy being an "Entertainer", I'm sure he makes good videos, but he doesn't have access to anything the rest of the medical community doesn't. It's in the New England Medical Journal? Great. Then it's exactly the same stuff the entire global medical community is working with and there are either no revelations here that aren't already known to the public or he's going to be fibbing.

With that said, I'm looking for evidence-based concerns backed up by the facts. According to this guy, so is he. So, looking quickly, let's break down what he actually said:

- Man meets woman on the 20th and 21st.
- Woman becomes sick on the 22nd.
- Man becomes sick on the 24th, and gets very sick, spiking a fever of 102.

This is completely consistent with a pretty basic model of viral transmission. People with no viral load = not contagious, people with low viral load = a little contagious, people with high enough viral load to become ill = very contagious. He interacted with this woman - and probably fukked raw with his tongue down her throat - literally 24 hours before she had a high enough viral load to become symptomatic. You will also get the flu this way:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm

Completely unsurprising. So what else?

- Two days later, the 26th, the man feels better. He goes back to work on the 27th.
- Three other employees, all of whom had contact with either the woman or the man immediately before they became sick, also got it.
- 29th, five days after he gets sick, there's still evidence that he might be able to transmit the virus, although it's not clear that he did.

Again, same article about the flu. Go look at it. What does it say?

"Most healthy adults may be able to infect others beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick."

29 - 24 = 5.

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These are not shocking and unprecedented developments. What I said that caused you to post this video is that we have evidence it can be transmitted asymptomatically, but that there's no reason to suspect it's unusually contagious at that stage. This guy's video does not contradict that in any way. This is a thing that happens, but in general, people are at their most contagious when they're visibly ill and there's no reason to believe this is different.

This thing is no joke. It's more serious than the flu. People do not appear to be fighting it off very well and the social and economic burden the outbreak is causing is terrible. Wash your hands. However, IMO, a few people in this thread are simply grasping at anything that will justify their latent terror. They need to believe that this isn't merely a very contagious and serious illness, but somehow a fundamentally new kind of killer that is spread through glances and telepathy. There's nothing to back that up.

[lifter2019]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/scient...s_3225405.html

[KT667]

How do you read that as youtube 'entertainer'? He has a Doctorate and makes videos on YT about human anatomy and doctor ****. Youre not looking for truth your looking for a reason to dismiss everything.

And no you have to watch it to understand it all, but basically ...

A documented case of nCoV in Germany ...

Man meets woman from China (not Wuhan, Shanghai)
Woman does not have any symptoms to Germany and/or when meeting man (Patient 1)
Woman leave Germany goes back to China, starts to get symptoms
Man gets symptoms 3 days later
Sick for 2 days
Gets better AND STILL SHEDDING THE VIRUS

This was all documented by the New England Medical Journal.

this is normal behavior of a virus

[keyboardworkout]

https://aem.asm.org/content/74/10/3002

We showed that infectious virus can survive for several days on banknotes. This requires a relatively large inoculum and the presence of a protective matrix, such as respiratory mucus. Pandemic events depend on the presence of sufficient quantities of virus with pandemic properties, as well as suitable vehicles for its transmission, including environmental vectors, such as banknotes. The results of our study show that influenza virus stability is not the sole determining factor in a pandemic. As hundreds of billions of banknotes are probably exchanged every day worldwide, infection from hands contaminated with virus picked up from virus-contaminated banknotes cannot be totally ignored. Given the unexpected stability of influenza virus in this nonbiological environment, our current understanding of the conditions favoring influenza virus survival needs to be revised, particularly in the context of pandemic preparedness.

[DoctorKazama]

Thanks a lot, China. Bat eating fuks...