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12-05-2019, 05:51 PM #151
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12-05-2019, 06:03 PM #152
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12-06-2019, 02:11 AM #153
Why are the socialists ITT arguing about outrageous medical bills as if anyone is claiming the opposite to be true? Yes, people go bankrupt due to unexpected medical emergencies. We should bankrupt the country instead right? This is a terrible solution. Once it passes, there's no going back. Even if it ends up being a colossal failure, Which it surely will. There are far better solutions to experiment with, why jump straight to the nuclear option you can't come back from?
The socialists will of course never admit to failure. So if/when it fails the blame will of course not fall anywhere close to their lap. They'll argue for more control and money to throw into it and continue to blame the lack of it as the reason for said failure.Last edited by Thankless; 12-06-2019 at 02:17 AM.
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12-06-2019, 02:24 AM #154
Wait what's going to bankrupt the country?
Raise taxes so you can cover everyone who wants it with Medicare. Keep private insurance for those who want to stay on it.
Will cost a fraction of Warren's Medicare-only plan, cover all Americans who need it, whilst also letting those who like their insurance stay on it.
This has nothing to do with cost as it's trivially easy to raise taxes enough to fund something like that, which means no "bankruptcy". The real problem for people like you is just the very idea of the unwashed masses getting access to healthcare at the expense of the more fortunate.Misc Crypto Crew
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12-06-2019, 02:27 AM #155
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12-06-2019, 02:34 AM #156
Lots of people in the US do not have access to affordable healthcare. A portion of the uninsured, the underinsured, and even some well insured people who get hit with major unexpected illnesses.
No one should have to either face bankruptcy or forgo treatment in a country as wealthy as the US. A public option that anyone can access at any time is essential - and those lucky enough to be on premium insurance plans that they want to keep can keep them.Misc Crypto Crew
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12-06-2019, 02:40 AM #157
Well Medicare does see lower rate of cost increase than the private sector does, for a start. The availability of a public option that anyone can switch to at any time will put pressure on private insurers to keep costs controlled, since their customers can happily leave at any time if things get too absurd. This is one thing which keeps private healthcare costs managed in countries like the UK which has a universal public system.
America's main source of spiralling healthcare costs are the high administrative costs of the complicated private insurance system, and the high costs of drugs and medical equipment due to private hospitals being unable to negotiate well with pharma companies.
Medicare will alleviate some of that, but most importantly it will provide access to healthcare that many people do not have (without facing bankruptcy or lifelong debt).Misc Crypto Crew
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12-06-2019, 03:34 AM #158
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12-06-2019, 04:45 AM #159
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12-06-2019, 08:00 AM #160
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12-06-2019, 08:09 AM #161
If a procedure is within the standard of care to treat your illness, insurance companies must cover it.
You know what sounds insane to me? Someone who would rather live in a country where THERE IS NO TREATMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE OR WHERE THE GOVERNMENT DENIES THEM TREATMENT BECAUSE ITS TOO EXPENSIVE, versus a country where there are multiple safety nets to ensure treatment, your private insurance carrier is legally required to cover the treatment if it falls under the standard of care, and at the VERY WORST, you have the opportunity to pay for a novel treatment to save your life.
In what world do you think that the government will be more willing to pay for treatments (keeping in mind they have a monopoly on the market) over private insurance companies competing for your business and sensitive therefore to public opinion relating to their consistent denial of service. This is an utterly illogical position.
Okay. I used facts, logic, and backed up all my arguments with sources. At this point all you have left is to resort to ad hominem attacks. You're also likely lying about your sister to make a political, which is sick.
I think maybe all of this is a sign you need to reconsider your political positions, or at least the arguments you use to support your position.
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12-06-2019, 08:09 AM #162
sounds good on paper but in reality most poor people choose to live unhealthy lives. Dont believe it ?..work at walmart for a month and see what the people on food stamps buy on a weekly basis...you wont see very many fruits or vegetables. And the truth is rice, potatoes, eggs, beans, frozen veggies arent very expensive...and not smoking is cheaper than smoking. Poor people choose to endanger themselves so why should I be FORCED to pay for them? (which i already am btw with medicaid)
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12-06-2019, 08:12 AM #163
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12-06-2019, 08:15 AM #164
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12-06-2019, 08:16 AM #165
How will this work? What do you mean "cover everyone who wants it with Medicare"? Do you mean buy into a government-provided insurance plan? Do you mean automatically enroll everyone into a Medicare plan? I'm just trying to understand what you're even advocating for.
How much will this cost? How much does it represent in added taxes? What are the projected effects on the healthcare system if doctors are being reimbursed at Medicare's set rates?
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12-06-2019, 08:22 AM #166
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12-06-2019, 08:28 AM #168
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12-06-2019, 09:03 AM #169
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12-06-2019, 09:10 AM #170
Every statement I made was supported by a source. What you are describing occurred with your sister is plainly illegal in the United States.
I'm not sure what else there is to say, except that I hope you open your mind on this topic. Remember, we both want the same thing, the best quality care available at the lowest cost to the most amount of people, the difference is I've grounded my views in facts and objective reality. Your world view, if propagated, will HURT people.
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12-06-2019, 11:55 AM #171
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12-06-2019, 12:05 PM #172
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When will liberals finally learn and stop advocating for bigger government to solve everything?
Liberals complain about college tuition prices? BRB GOVERNMENT SHOULD STEP IN MAKE IT FREE!
etc etc
There are causes and effects as to why things cost what they do, and there are solutions that don't involve bigger and bigger govt and higher taxes.
Geez. It's like you turn to Mommy and Daddy Government to fix all your problems. No education or creative thinkingAve Christus Rex
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12-06-2019, 12:23 PM #173
Then what's the answer? What we have now is a total disaster. I have yet to hear anything except "lEt PoOr aNd MiDlLe ClAsS PeOpLe DiE iF tHeY gEt SiCk!1!"
I have degrees in finance, accounting, and economics. Whatever complex solution you have in mind, I assure you I can understand it. I always prefer a private solution except in areas prone to huge market failures.
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12-06-2019, 12:29 PM #174
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12-06-2019, 12:31 PM #175
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12-06-2019, 01:40 PM #176
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12-06-2019, 01:44 PM #177
We have the the most cutting edge and effective healthcare treatment in the world, as I have demonstrated exhaustively through empirical sources. Poor and middle class people do not die if they get sick, they are almost entirely covered by insurance or the government through Medicare. The only people in America who don't have insurance are those who have made a conscious choice not to purchase it. Literally nobody is saying this, and our healthcare system does not allow for this.
What's wrong with you?
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