I've been working out for about a year. More seriously for the past 4 months. I've also decided to consult a trainer and have recommendations on macros. So far this is what she recommended me:
3036 calories/day
493 grams of carbs (not reached at the moment. I can get about 250 in a day)
50 grams of fat (I reach and exceed this by getting about 60-80 grams in day)
151 grams of protein (I reach this almost daily)
I weight 158 lbs and have a 15.3% body fat percentage.
Now, I find that the carbs are very high for me and I just can't see how to achieve them without having even more fat in my macros. My question is what can I eat carb wise to stay in these numbers (not bust the fat macro). Also, is it bad for me to exceed in fat? Lately I had to loosen my belt a bit (muscle gain or fat gain!?)
Thanks in advance and Happy New Years!
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12-31-2018, 03:06 PM #1
Help with nutrition (confused after research)
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12-31-2018, 03:17 PM #2
Read the stickies. There are protein and fat minimums. Set a calorie goal, get your protein and fat minimums, and get the rest of your calories from any combination of protein/fat/carbs. If your waist is enlarging you are gaining fat. You may also be gaining muscle, but you are definitely gaining fat.
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12-31-2018, 03:47 PM #3
I've read some stickies. I still don't get the macros thing completely. You say that I should get my protein and fat minimums. I got that. Thing is can I exceed the fat because I can't achieve the full carb minimum? Also, why am I gaining fat? I do understand a bulk causes that, but I don't want to go back to having a fat excess.
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12-31-2018, 04:12 PM #4
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12-31-2018, 04:15 PM #5
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12-31-2018, 04:33 PM #6
There is no such thing as a "carb minimum." Carbohydrate intake is user dependent and not a necessity for health/function as fat and protein are. There's also no such thing as a fat or protein maximum. You really need to read the stickies, this is basic stuff that's explained very well in those threads at the top of this forum.
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12-31-2018, 04:47 PM #7
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12-31-2018, 05:11 PM #8
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01-01-2019, 12:56 AM #9
You need to be following a well designed lifting routine. Fierce 5 is a good one.
This is the sticky you need to apply: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...3439001&page=1
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01-01-2019, 02:54 AM #10
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01-01-2019, 09:26 AM #11
Thank you all for you great answers. Very helpful. I will keep doing research on my own for the macros.
As for training, I've already got a line of exercices I do. I'll still take a look at fierce 5 and see if I could implement it to my training routine.
Next time I see my chiropractor I'll get him to do my BMI the good old way; with no machine.
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01-01-2019, 09:29 AM #12
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01-01-2019, 09:48 AM #13
I see no possible reason why your trainer would tell you to eat nearly 500 grams of carbs and only 150 protein/50 fat. Not to mention it would be hard to fit those 500 grams of carbs into just over 3k calories. I’d recommend just using an online calculator based on TDEE and you’ll probably come out with macros that are easier to hit. For example: around 60 fat, a little higher on protein around 180, and around 300 for carbs with the same calorie goal.
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01-01-2019, 12:30 PM #14
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Do Fierce 5 as written. A program is more than the sum of its parts, if you pull it to pieces, it will not be as good. Don't get wedded to your initial ideas on what a workout routine should look like - it's better to rely on the experience and knowledge of someone with many years under their belt - i.e. the guy who wrote F5 for example.
BMI is just as useless because it doesn't take body composition into account. Re-read what I said earlier.
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01-01-2019, 03:10 PM #15
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There are plenty of carb sources with little fat to no fat. Honey, agave, fruit, jasmine rice, juice, the list goes on. Or buy a carb supplement
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01-02-2019, 12:27 PM #16
Here are some pictures.
I checked out fierce 5. I'd like to stay with my workouts. I've met with trainers and got explanations on exercises that I wanted to do to get the strength I want. I do trap bar, squats, hammer curls, curls, killer 21's, leg press, chin ups, dips, push up, abs and quite a few more exercices depending on what I am working on during a workout. With these exercices I aim to go up in weights gradually. I can see results with my strength.
I weight 160 lbs.I was 158 in early December. So, weight wise I am okay (I think). I'll do a BMI this week also.
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01-02-2019, 10:52 PM #17
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01-03-2019, 05:31 AM #18
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01-03-2019, 05:43 AM #19
Do as you want. If the only way you'll lift is to "really like them and want to keep doing them", then go ahead. But odds are astounding that "you're way" is wasting some level of time and effort versus a good balanced novice routine with written progression and de-load schemes. (You're statement that "With these exercises I aim to go up in weights gradually" is an indicator that you have no real progression scheme.)
Personally, I'd rather get max results for my efforts, but it's your call. I won't be surprised - if you're one of the guys that actually sticks with it - for you to come back bemoaning lack of progress in 6 to 9 months. But good luck.
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01-03-2019, 05:44 AM #20
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01-03-2019, 06:44 AM #21
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01-05-2019, 08:05 AM #22
The exercices that I mentioned are not done in that order. I actually take the time to do a lot of research online and on Youtube (I use my good judgement making sure it isn't junk videos). I also had a few sessions with a trainer to see what exercices that I could do. I got this routine going and I keep track of weights. I don't just go to the gym and screw around for an hour. I give it all I got. The thing is there is SO much information on how to workout on which exercices to do and not, etc that it gets conflicting
When I say gradually = i add 5 lbs-10 lbs every week or two. Each time I do an exercise I am at my max performance. I make sure to lift the most I can in a safe way to not get any injuries.
When I say enjoy = the infamous love/hate relationship at a gym. I want to do the exercise, but while I do it I get the burn, the pain afterwards, etc.
The variation of curls is done on the same day.
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01-05-2019, 08:16 AM #23No brain, no gain.
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01-05-2019, 08:34 AM #24
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01-05-2019, 09:07 AM #25
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Likely yes, because you state you do a lot of research on YT and there is a lot self proclaimed nutrition gods on there that spew out a lot of nutritional bullchit
If you want more accurate science based nutritional info read articles/etc from Alan Aragon, Brad Shoenfeld, Stu Phillips, Jorn Trommelen etcNASM CPT
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01-05-2019, 09:32 AM #26
I get what you say. I am aware of the corny videos like instead of eating breakfast drink water and other stupidity. I'll go there to see how to do certain exercices correctly and I make sure that the person showing them is known in the fitness world and has a good reputation.
Thank you for the names, I'll go read up on them.
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01-05-2019, 09:41 AM #27
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There are some YT vids that show proper exercise form, alternatively you could look on this site, which I've used extensively before
https://exrx.netNASM CPT
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01-05-2019, 09:46 AM #28
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