Exercise Science checking in. Can confirm, learned/learning all this stuff.
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01-11-2017, 07:32 PM #31
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01-11-2017, 07:41 PM #32
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01-11-2017, 07:44 PM #33
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Looks like an informative post. Will read entire thing tomorrow. Just a correct though (typo), the biceps share a common insertion, but both heads have their own origin on separate points of the clavicle, the long head on the tubercle and the short on coracoid.
Have a BS in Ex Sci/Kines and working towards DPT. Willing to help with any questions people may have.Phila crew
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01-11-2017, 07:44 PM #34
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Hmm..To be honest, ive never really tried to tackle this. I do know this: The Insertion point (aka the most movable part or the body and muscle) is the pubic symphysis (the green portion in this pic:
Now when your pelvis tilts forward, it takes the abdominals with is, which is why you feel it. I couldnt find a good gif to illustrate this but my man jeff cavalier tackles this. And to the best of my knowledge, i DONT THINK its that bad, but it really needs to be corrected or it can cause all kinds of problems in the low back and knees.
Jacked for life. Another herniation @ L5/S1, moderate rheumatoid arthritis in all Lumbar motion segments L1-S1, and scar tissue pressing the Left L5 Nerve root so my back hurts AT L1/S1 and needs to be fused but surgery has a 45% chance of me losing function in my left foot and leg. So here is where i have severe nerve pain
I have bad days and terrible days where i cant get out of bed. Sometimes i can only stand for 10 minutes or so before everything just goes haywire and my foot will go numb while the numbness ascends up to my knee.
Moral of the story...STRENGTHEN YOUR GODDAMNED CORE OR THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU
nice bro. Just be aware, there isnt much money in the profession unless you want to be a trainer and live in a place where there is high demand. Or you could open a gym“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” - The Nameless City by HP Lovecraft
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01-11-2017, 08:00 PM #35
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Great post and will be a great read tomorrow. I actually didn't know about the true vs false grip deal when it comes to the BP, though I haven't used a barbell much since high school. Have adjustable db's at home and use those exclusively, but will be getting power cage soon with BB so this will definitely help with the transition. Definitely prefer DBs, but obviously at a certain weight some exercises become dangerous just getting into the starting position and then setting them back down. Happy to provide my poverty reps, looking forward to a good educational read tomorrow. Thanks OP!
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01-11-2017, 08:08 PM #36
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01-11-2017, 08:14 PM #37
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01-11-2017, 08:18 PM #38
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01-11-2017, 08:19 PM #39
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01-11-2017, 08:22 PM #40
Stopped working out seriously cause I moved. I've been visiting home for a while hitting the gym 1-3 times a week. I only do pull ups, dips, klokov press, lateral raises, face pulls, biceps triceps, baby cows, and squats. Is this enough to maintain my physique? Strength has dropped tremendously already.
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01-11-2017, 08:30 PM #41
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01-11-2017, 08:32 PM #42
ok so i've had this issue for a couple of months now with no idea how and why.
one week everything is good, benching pressing as usual, the next week my right pec is playing up. i can only do 50%-60% of my reps. theres no pain, no discomfort at all. i still have full range of motion, it just tires out a lot quicker than usual. i've let rest for over 2 weeks and 2 months later its only marginally better. My left side is fine though.
why?
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01-11-2017, 08:38 PM #43
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01-11-2017, 08:40 PM #44
Can you show a video of what you think perfect bench press form is? From what you've described, my elbows would be in the correct position when I do close grip bench press (to target my triceps, my elbows are tucked in the whole time and I bring the bar down to my sternum). So if I was benching correctly, my elbows would be in the same position but I'd be bringing the bar down to my chest?
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01-11-2017, 08:40 PM #45
I just started doing bjj and it seems like that's going to be what my life is about for the next little while. Any training split you'd recommend?
6'2" 260 like 30% bf but pretty strong, for reference.
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Read this and was like "oh fuk I should just lose weight"Last edited by srb68; 01-11-2017 at 08:47 PM.
311 bench / 431 squat / 569 dl
Use kg bumpers and lb plates for weird total crew
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01-11-2017, 08:45 PM #46
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01-11-2017, 08:57 PM #47
OP I'm 6'2 220lbs but my chest strength is disgustingly sad. I do 4 sets of (8, 8, 4, 4) incline barbell, hammer strength chest press (8, 8, 4, 4,) cable incline 3 sets (12 reps), modified decline (8,8,4,4), Flys (12 reps) I do 2 chest workouts a week. Wtf do I do to get strength from dropping but still have a good.looking chest
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01-11-2017, 09:00 PM #48
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01-11-2017, 09:08 PM #49
Wish you were in my state, I'd completely hit the gym with you and buy you a drink to learn more.
Repped you for your genuine desire to help others with no benefit to you. That's a great trait man thank you from all of us.
Reading. I'm tempted to ask the best way to lose fat fast in a reasonable way but I feel it's a dumb, and too obvious question. I want to find the laziest way to do it lol. I've been like 180 for 4-5 years and would love to just drop to 165-170, get real lean like I used to be. I work hard and cook a lot more often.
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01-11-2017, 09:08 PM #50
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Ive been dealing with an SI joint dysfunction for the last 3-4 months now. Cant deadlift without a severe shooting pain down my leg. Squats will aggravate it if i don't properly warm up and make sure i brace on every rep. For the most part i can manage during lifting but its during the day that it bothers me most. Been trying to rehab it myself but I'm wondering if you have any advice on how to go about things. Is it a matter of strengthening my core and making sure that my hips are mobile/strong enough to hold specific positions or is there more i should be doing? I just got Stewart Mcguills Back Mechanic book and am going to read through that.
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01-11-2017, 09:16 PM #51
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oh thats a solid choice. Mega competitive though. My university, which is small (~2k students), had only about 25 HK students. Most were going to apply to PT school. 2007 was the first year in 2 decades that 100% of all of our students who applied didnt make. To my knowledge, 2 went to TN and are pTs now. Some are PTAs.
Basically, HIIT is Periods of HIGH INTENSITY training followed by a rest period. I mentioned 60-120s up there and thats one way. Another could be that you set up a circuit at the gym if there is enough room/time and not to many people. Take your workout that you were originally going to do, but put a time limit on rest time. 30 seconds between sets, and 2 min or less between cycles. This will OBLITERATE calories, and shock your muscles up. Normally these 2 different metabolically processes, but they both work here. Its mainly your muscles that are the agonists, but there is SOME muscle burning going on. I tried that and i loved it. I went from spending 2 hours in the gym and feeling good after to spending less than an hour and feeling like a Silverback
Man i hoped no one would ask. I was an Army ranger for some time and had almost a decade under y belt at a restauraunt until my back starting giving me issues. Feb 2012, i started having numbness in my left foot. I was involved in a wreck and it fully ruptured the disc so 14Nov2012 i had the surgery and the neurosurgeon had to spend 3 hours "cleaning up" my back. He said there was a LOT of calcification from arthritis, bone spurs galore and a few abnormal growth. And i just never got better. Where he cleaned up the bone spurs and arthritis, it left scar tissue pressuring my left l5 nerve root. Since my surgery, i have major issues walking and standing. I cannot stay seated for more than an hour or so, and i cant be on my feet nearly that long, so ive been jobless, Cant even get help from the gubment. My ultimate goal was to open a sweet gym. There is an old building that use to be "Win Dixie Supermarkets" that closed years ago. Man, if i had the money, i'd make that an all purpose gym
Side to side probably might mean rotator cup issues. Its job is to stabalize the shoulder and to rotate the upper arm (when you arm wrestle). And simple way to check it it is, is to raise your arms uo level with hands out making your body into a "t." Next is give us a thumbs down with both arms that are still straight. Have someone GENTLy push down while you resist. If it hurts then its the supraspinatus (one of the Rotator Cup muscles). Treatment: RICE. But this is assuming its not a major injury.
Ive said this 3 times ITT already that shoulder pain usually stems from bad Bench Press form. Tuck your elbows into your sides, or let them flare to 45 degree and no more. All exercises that flex and extend at the elbow (for absolute safety) to keep the elbows tucked; BP, Tricep dip/Kickbacks, Military Press, Overhead Press, Power cleans etc
Strength loss doesnt necessarily mean hypertrophy. This is where the reversibility principle. It states that if you do not continue to increase the demands on the body then the body will regress to save calories. After all LBM is METABOLICALLY EXPENSIVE. You need to be increasing the number of reps, the weight, the frequency (how often you do this and how much effort you put into it. Since i dont know your routine thats about all the advice i can give
Nearly impossible. Metabolism = The sum of all chemical reactions in the body. I guess you could make hte couch your new home?
Hmm....Sometimes when one muscle is progressing much faster, then a central nervous system issue comes to mind. Your small pec just might not be getting the right signal and sending the correct feedback. Try doing unilateral chest work. EX; DB Bench press, floor press, Incline press etc. Put more emphasis on your weaker pec and see if you cab wake it up
F*ck yeah they are. Its an EXTREMELY explosive exercise do.
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01-11-2017, 09:17 PM #52
Tankbrah since you have suffered your back injury would you agree with me in saying that powerlifting is where 90%+ of injuries lifting occur? If I am lifting lower weight but higher reps wouldn't it be possible to get fairly shredded and decently big despite natural hormone levels? I want to push myself with high weight and lower reps but after a couple of months I do start to feel it in my joints.
It seems almost inevitable that most people mess up a knee, a shoulder, or herniate a disk in their back from lifting...Fitness connoisseur
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01-11-2017, 09:49 PM #56
With bent over barbell row what difference does having your elbows flared out directly of the bar make? Is it a good way to build different part of back?
What is the training technique where one lets go of the weights and quickly then catches them again (like a lateral shoulder raise). Similar to a pushup where you bounce off the floor or machine shoulder press where you can push and let go for split second. Is this an effective or known technique?
I have a cold and hardly trained in a week but I'm functional. I feel uneasy that I'm breaking the consistent routine I had. Should I just push through a lighter workout or completely rest?
Pullups with thumb around bar or over bar? Whats the difference?
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01-11-2017, 09:55 PM #57
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01-11-2017, 10:03 PM #59
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DISCLAIMER: I dont know much about this, but i'll share what I know. A good way to help combat the effects to Battle SI pain is stretching: Go to a pole (or something anchored to keep you from falling. Squat down like a catch and rest you hams on your calves, grab the pole in front, and SLOWLY lean back. You are SLOWLY trying to relax the decompression out. After a few minutes, move from side to side as it feels a littler bit better. Next you will lay on your back, raise your knees up to where to have 45 degrees between yout quads and body as well as the feet to the hams. Place something like a towel between your legs and squeeze for 10-29 seconds and di fir ir 5 sets. Although, i'd bet the farm that youd get a better result our of the hip adductor machine (the bad girl machine vs the ood girl machine).
And about your core, have a bullet prove core will only help you excel in any athletic event. Major muscles included are the pelvic floor muscles, transversus abdominis (adonis Belt), multifidus, internal and external obliques, rectus abdominis, erector spinae (sacrospinalis) especially the longissimus thoracis, and the diaphragm. Minor core muscles include the latissimus dorsi, gluteus maximus, and trapezius. Every large muscle group has its roots here. Strengthening your core helps defend you from the most popular injuries like hernias, disc issues and general low back pain
Thanks bro! Sounds like a blast too! I havent done much since i hurt my back. My friends dont even text me anymore. Iwent from being Muscle Tank BuffPants to a hermit that worries about going out and whether or not i'll be able to sit down
Muscle loss. That's a pretty easy one. Ketogenic diets. Similar to atkin's. They work GREat because once you get a wee or so into the diet, then the weight literally melts away. HOWEVER, this is just a fad diet. The problem is that a HEALTHY diet calls for one to each a certain amout of food from all categories, where as keto diet's basically forbid carbs of all kinds. The human body runs off of the glucose and glycogen that we take in or the body synthesizes. When you stop taking in carbs, the body will MUSt find somethign to burn, so it burns the fat storages by breaking down adipose tissue (fat cells) and uses Ketone bodies for energy. They do their job well but are metabolically costly to synthesize, which is why you melt fat away. HOWEVER....you MUSt be careful that you do not go into ketoacidosis because ketone bodes are acidic. If you body pH ****s to the acidic side, then that is Bad news son. They MAJOR drawback of this type of diet is that ANY fad diet that results in such a huge weight loss (a keto diet will drop 10 pounds in a week but will slow down eventually) makes it easiest to put the weight on when yous top. So ideally, you want to shoot for 2 lbs per week. If you REALLY bust your nuts in there, you can hit 3 or 4. The HEALTHIEST way to drop weight is to figure out your theoretical BMI (which i think is Bull Fukking Sh&t) and kep watching. I prefer to take measurements (neck, chest, biceps, forearms, waist, hips, quads, calves and the butt. Every month or so, i remeasure to keep track of progress
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2. Yes and no. it depends on what you are eating . Mr Olympia contestants wake up every few hours to eat a piece of meat or somethign so that their metabolism stays as high as possible all day because we are fasting when we sleep. If you can drink a caseine protein shake before bed or middle of the night then you'd be doing great because caseine stays in the stomach for longer than whey and leucine. It helps you feel more satiated.
This is hard to say since ive never seen you train. I would put that workout away fora while and work on mass building because you can't build mass AND get cut at the same time. My bulk for chest looks liek this:
1. 3 Sets of BP for 5 reps (sometimes i'll to a 5 X 5 depending on if i have a spotter and i feel like doing it) All very slow and controlled
2. 3 or 4 sets of 6 reps on Bar Bells. My gym only goes to 100 so thats my limit there. I usually just do full sets of 10 or keep pumping until i cant anymore
3. One handed BP. You'll need a spotter, but put like 95 pounds on, find the center of the bar and hit some reps.
4. Flies; you need to be doing this VERY strictly. Keep your head up so you dont hunch forward. Pause between the phases. And when i say pause, I mean squeeze the FUK out of your pecs.
You could also think about shocking it up. Do your workout one day, then what i said, then what i said with a strict time limit, and then yours with a strict time limit, then a combo of ours for time etc. The body will have no choice but to build you up like armor
I made it in, and when i did rotations, it ws 95% old people recovering from hip and knee replacements. I just knew i'd be miserable so like an idiot, i didnt go
LoL. I would reccomend dropping weight. As far as "training" for GJJ, i really dont know other than core strength so you dont have issues with breathing. I would do HIIT cardio for a few weeks, then do some steady state 5 mile run. Int eh gym, i'd say that body weight exercises are your friend.
1. POINTS of Contact
****1.Feet ALWAYS on the floor, then walk your feet behind you a foot or so.
****2. Butt should always touch the bench
****3. Upper back on the bench
****4. Head touches bench.
Place your head on the bench and in the middle of the bar. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use a thumb grip and not a suicide grp. Get yourself a comfortable width grip that is wider than your shoulders but your arms only need to flare away by 45 degree (your hands should always be able to be directly above your elbows). You also need to plant your feet firmly. I like to bring mine a bit under the bench. Before you lift off, take in HUGE breathes to get more or less, hyperventilate. This means a lot more blood to the muscle fascia plus a small adrenaline boost. When you start your reps, use a thumb grip and slowly lower the bar to at least parallel (which is where your elbows form 45 degree angles or "L's") or to your chest. Here is the important part. You did the eccentric phase by lowering the bar WITHOUT letting it fall, VERY short pause, then an EXPLOSION all the way up
Last edited by tank2003; 01-12-2017 at 08:46 AM.
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01-11-2017, 10:05 PM #60
Just saw you have the same herniation and sciatica! F!ck!!!! I know the pain bro...I know the pain...
One thing that has helped me loads is going to the pool everyday. I started with just floating in the water, attaching some floaties to my body and letting the back decompress. I slowly started swimming as the pain levels decreased, and can now swim fairly freely, with no pain! Feel much better afterwards too. I've had weeks where I did not go, and definitely noticed an increase in pain levels, so I guess it is doing something.
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