You're oversimplifying this. I'm not pretending to have all the answers myself, but if it was as simple as you're making out EVERY country would have the same solution.
Notice how UK is 1st for care but next to the bottom in healthy lives? That's the most extreme but there seems to be zero correlation between public health and how socialist the healthcare system is.
Overall the NHS works well but it certainly has it's drawbacks. Long ass waiting times, less intensive for people to look after themselves (as evidenced above), health concious people subsidising lazy ****s, lower wages for doctors and nurses etc.
Last time I went to A&E (accident and emergency) I'd have rather paid to be seen and I was poor as **** at the time. I waited 5 hours to be seen, they should have given me stitches but instead applied some steri-strips and a bandage and sent me out. They told me to come back to get the dressing changed but I did all that myself because I didn't want to wait hours to get seen every time. Had a private company given such pissening treatment they would have just lost a customer.
I've got a permanently ****ed finger now so I don't have the grip strength to deadlift heavy.
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05-18-2015, 02:59 PM #242
Probably never replied to this due to the fact it comes from a caveman.
Grunt grunt 'murica murica'
It's hard to take someone serious when their holding their tiny penor in their avi
It's people like you that embarrass America. While the rest of the world advances and makes progress, we in America are plagued by Neanderthals like you and sawwoobywooby who thinks women should still be in the kitchen while he serves fries at McDonalds.
We are a backward nation, we think it's OK for insurance CEO's to pay themselves 10's of millions each year while turning down people for healthcare and where pharma companies rake in billions but cannot provide affordable drugs to the masses. Until we cull people like you at birth or properly re-educate you we will always be plagued by caveman type thinking. It really is embarrassing to think people all over the world can read your comments and laugh at us
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Yet many more do well, and we have the BEST to treat the worst ailments.....vice your overwhelmingly mediocre, latent care that many in this country would say is appallingly lacking. It is all in how you look at it....I suppose
Just BTW I really have little tolerance for the CEO comments to the other poster...take nothing build it into a thriving industrial power house and do as you please, you earned it....otherwise please refrain from coveting another's success...he owes you NOTHING
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this is a really ****ty argument, we have some of the world's best doctors and medical technology in places like Harley St London where if you are rich enough you can get the most effective treatment known... having advanced treatments for the top 1% however does not come remotely close to making a good healthcare system. That is done by our NHS, which despite its flaws and room for improvement, is one of the best things about this country
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So long as the funding is attached to the patient, and a patient can choose where he wants to get treatment, universal healthcare is a good thing.
The muscles i value most are the ones directly surrounding the spine, the hips, the scapula, the femur and the tibia... in that order.
Basically the whole body minus chest and biceps... pretty much the opposite of what your local gym looks like on a typical Monday.
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oh shut up you loser lol. if you really and truly thought the government was stealing from you, you'd be going after them to get your tax money back just like you would if a little girl stole your wallet. but of course you dont actually think that and are just another lame neckbeard e-anarchist who hasn't left his moms basement yet and thinks his edgy views make him sound cool
fukking yawn
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05-18-2015, 05:01 PM #258
What most Americans fail to realize is that universal health care would relieve US companies of a huge burden and make them more competitive, thus leading to more hiring and more jobs. It's really a minor miracle how well many US corporations have performed and even managed to compete with foreign companies that don't have to pay health insurance (because their govt's take on that burden). Imagine how well US companies would do if the playing field were level.
This tradition of having companies provide health insurance was a stupid practice that never should have gotten started in the first place. Other countries don't put this burden on their businesses; instead the costs for healthcare are spread across the entire population by way of taxes. This doesn't neccesarily mean the govt is running the hospitals themselves; often it's just the govt providing a universal insurance plan that everyone uses, with the hospitals still privately run (for example Canada, Australia). Either way it gives foreign companies a huge advantage over their US counterparts.
The lack of universal health care has been dragging down our economic performance and contributing to the decline of middle class living standards for decades.
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05-18-2015, 05:28 PM #260
If people absolutely resist for traffic tickets they might also get killed you potato. They are being killed because, and i quote you "they absolutely refuse to comply"
Therefore your idiotic rant applies equally to jaywalking and any other thing that might require you to comply or be arrested...Therefore all laws are enforced by "government thugs that will kill you" jesus some of you people are fuking stupid
You and Darkman should seriously consider just pulling the trigger one night while you are fellating the guns you love so much.. the country would instantly be a better more sane place
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05-18-2015, 05:31 PM #261
Doesn't the american government already pay more per person for healthcare than most countries with UHC? Yet still has chit coverage and masses of citizens going bankrupt over medical bills.
Maybe some of the money that goes into a military bigger than the next 10 (who are all mostly close allies anyways) could be diverted to the health and welfare of the citizens that provide that money.. just an idea.
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Your opinion. You're welcome to pay IRS and Obama. Just leave those who disagree out of your idiocy. Basically don't steal. That's all.
If you drove in a way that hurt someone, you should be sued. If a road and property owner that you drove on has a contract with you regarding certain rules and tickets for violation, it's perfectly fine to enforce those voluntarily agreed to rules. I did not agree to the rules government edicts have dictated to me currently.
Wishing death upon people that didn't hurt you is a very common statist illness, your true colors always come out nicely.
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You know it doesn't work that way; ER's can't turn patients away and in the end we all pay for medical bankruptcies and for people forced onto Medicaid and other taxpayer funded programs. And you also know that having a hodge-podge of private and public insurance providers makes for a messy and extremely expensive system, which means that those who wish to "take care of their own healthcare" still get punished with higher premiums along with everyone else.
Health care is a funny business. There's only two ways to keep costs down: 1) NO insurance for ANYONE (everybody pays out of pocket), or 2) Universal insurance for EVERYONE.
Option 1 can work, in the sense that healthcare would be cheaper if NOBODY had insurance thus forcing hospitals to be more competitive with pricing, but that would mean millions die every year for lack of funds. But if you're ok with that, yes this model can keep costs down. There's a reason plastic surgeries are so much cheaper than other types of surgical procedures of equal complexity; it's because plastic surgeries are almost never covered by insurance.
Option 2 works better because a single-payer insurance model allows the govt to dictate or at least negotiate pricing with hospitals and big pharma. When you have one entity providing all the insurance, it gives them tremendous bargaining power and is the reason equivalent healthcare cost 3x less per capita in France and other countries that use this model.
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