It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go
While a lot of people got big just by celltech and lifting whatever, a good amount still did it by applying the knowledge and putting in the work and effort to lift heavy weights. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't have the experience of applying it in the gym and tailoring it to yourself when you realize your body isn't a machine and a program doesn't work perfectly for you, youre just an average joe
We have so many posters here too that do the same ****, theres a difference between trying to help people out and thinking youre like an elite strength coach because you watched a couple jason blaha videos, listened to a rippetoe seminar, read a couple articles online about protein minimums and know who alan aragon is fuking lmao
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02-16-2015, 05:48 PM #1
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stop stop stop, SIZE =/= KNOWLEDGE OKAY?????????????
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02-16-2015, 06:25 PM #4
Alan Aragon does not know how to leg press 1000lbs like Ronnie Coleman.
Yet he has more knowledge.
Size =/= Knowledge
One does not need to have the experience to make him right.
What is right is right.
Even if your brother can pull 500lbs and his form is wrong, it doesn't matter who calls him out. It can be a non-lifter or a 600lbs deadlifter, the form is still wrong.My Powerlifting "Road To Manlet" Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=172129323
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02-16-2015, 07:06 PM #8
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Actually you were not supposed to think anything straight away, and be unsure to the degree of rounding and ambivalent of both the lifter and someone who obviously hasn't spent much time in the actual weight room critiquing another lifter
Instead you assumed the weaker lifter who called him out was correct. InterestingClean and jerk: 242
Snatch: 176
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02-16-2015, 07:17 PM #9
Does not take a genius or years and years of experience to know something like this is wrong:
I'm not suppose to think "a rounded back deadlift is dangerous" straight away?
hmmmmm.. ok..
Seems like you are asking me to "assume" many things like "pulling 475 for 8 on a deficit with minor thoracic and lordotic curvature".
just from " It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go"
Alright.
Sound logic. You should try including the video next time.My Powerlifting "Road To Manlet" Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=172129323
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02-16-2015, 07:45 PM #10
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You use the cherry picking logical fallacy with someone with idiotic spinal alignment while there are hundreds of counterexamples available online of safe thoracic rounding and you call ME out on logic?
Seems like you are asking me to "assume" many things like "pulling 475 for 8 on a deficit with minor thoracic and lordotic curvature".
just from " It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go"
Alright.
Sound logic. You should try including the video next time.
Note that your entire argument is based off of the fact that you are assuming someone's form is wrong, and when I clarify it was not, your only retort is "Well how should I have known?????????"
All along while the point of the thread was that much knowledge was experiential, and that books and studies do not teach you everything.Clean and jerk: 242
Snatch: 176
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Conclusion of the thread:
People like Lyle , Alan, and Brad should just agree with "Ronnie Coleman" because he has won Mr.Olympia's and they have not.
Ok.My Powerlifting "Road To Manlet" Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=172129323
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02-16-2015, 09:33 PM #19
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????????????? Is english not your first language lmao
Nope, the conclusion of this thread, which i'll reiterate AGAIN for you is that not all knowledge comes from books and studies. A lot of it is experiential, learning what different schemes and programs work for your body, regardless of what should theoretically work.
My b cablez, that part is semi-incorrectClean and jerk: 242
Snatch: 176
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02-16-2015, 09:40 PM #20
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02-16-2015, 09:47 PM #21
Except that's not at all what OP meant. In fact, he explicitly stated the opposite.
What he IS trying to get at (and is completely correct) is the fact that many things in training are not black and white. There is no "perfect form," nor can training be boiled down to some mathematical equation. Everyone has different proportions and anatomical features, responds differently to different stimuli, and has different training histories. Some people can pull effectively with a rounded upper back, some people can squat with more of a torso lean. Just because someone's form doesn't look exactly like what you saw in Starting Strength, that doesn't make it wrong.
Beginners, especially those on these forums, tend to think the opposite. They think there is only ONE right way of doing something. They spend so much time stressing over what is "perfect," or "optimal" that they fail to account for some of the most important variables (which can't be learned from a book or online) such as mentality, learning what works for you INDIVIDUALLY through experiment and experience, and of course, HARD ****ING WORK.
Experience matters in a great degree, especially when the subject in question cannot be answered objectively....such as form.You can't force knowledge into a dumbass any more than you can force sight into a blind man.
When the world breaks your legs you go and beat it with your crutch.
"The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me." -Ayn Rand
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02-17-2015, 06:14 AM #26
Meh, in my opinion even though everyone is going to have "different forms" and no, "one size fits all", there still should be a guideline on what should be done.
You know what. I dont even care. Do whatever the **** you wanna do. Think whatever you want to think.
Oooooo.. dis gon' be good.Last edited by AFC96; 02-17-2015 at 06:20 AM.
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Instagram: a.camstra
Gym PR(KG): 195/130/220 @61KG Raw
Meet PR(KG): 185/117.5/200 @58.6KG
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02-17-2015, 12:13 PM #29
I saw a guy Deadlift 495 yesterday while I was at work (I work at a gym)
Snap city.
Sure he got the weight up, but it looked terrible, and he pretty much only used his rounded back to the weight up.
Then I walked over to a girl I like to talk to (IFBB just got her pro card) and we both had a nice laugh about that guy.
Learn to lift correctly before lifting anything in my opinion. Sure you might look cool! (Great 405!!! WOO!) well guess what, you got the weight up this time, you might get it up the next time, but in the long run you are destroying your back.
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02-17-2015, 01:10 PM #30
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