Diet Experiment Volume 2?

[mcours2006]

The problem and big difference there and here is that he wasn't in a deficit. He gained weight in the worse way possible. Being in a deficit makes the difference. Google the Twinkie diet from the Professor of Nutrition from Kansas State University. Or more recently, the math teacher that lost 37 lbs eating only from the McDonalds' menu. The health markers for both interms of HDL, LDL, triglycerides improved.

And there in lies the problem with this type of diet, or diet of any sort. If one can eat whatever he wants and still lose weight or cut body fat or build muscle, why that's like having your cake and eating it too, isn't it? Most people would have difficulty being in caloric deficit eating this kind of food. That is too say, they would invariably eat too much of it.

Aside from genetics, being overweight is the biggest detriment to your overall health. As long as you can keep that under control, your golden, I suppose.

I haven't examined you jpgs closely, but are you getting any vegetables or fruits in your diet? I assume not since you OP states that you're trying to eat the crappiest foods possible. Do you find any issues with regularity? Do you feel any different, physically/mentally?

[OutOfStep]

The problem and big difference there and here is that he wasn't in a deficit. He gained weight in the worse way possible. Being in a deficit makes the difference. Google the Twinkie diet from the Professor of Nutrition from Kansas State University. Or more recently, the math teacher that lost 37 lbs eating only from the McDonalds' menu. The health markers for both interms of HDL, LDL, triglycerides improved.

As far as bloodwork, I'd be interested in seeing inflammation markers like c-reactive protein and ESR as well as liver enzymes etc. in addition to cholesterol and trigs.

[Zenshi]

And there in lies the problem with this type of diet, or diet of any sort. If one can eat whatever he wants and still lose weight or cut body fat or build muscle, why that's like having your cake and eating it too, isn't it? Most people would have difficulty being in caloric deficit eating this kind of food. That is too say, they would invariably eat too much of it.

Aside from genetics, being overweight is the biggest detriment to your overall health. As long as you can keep that under control, your golden, I suppose.

I haven't examined you jpgs closely, but are you getting any vegetables or fruits in your diet? I assume not since you OP states that you're trying to eat the crappiest foods possible. Do you find any issues with regularity? Do you feel any different, physically/mentally?

This is not really specific to a type of food but rather the limited time that people spend on diets. Since it is not a long term lifestyle change, diets tend to be short term, even if they show beneficial results and they can turn around and return to their original pre-diet condition once a diet is finished. This is the same regardless of whether one diets eating a controlled amount of high calorie food, or whether one eats the so called "clean foods" for a short period of time. A diet eating fruits and vegetables for a short time of the diet will have similar long-term results in terms of fat loss than eating a short term controlled amount of high calorie foods.

The thing that is interesting about this thread for me is the testing of the IIFYM scenario. Regarding fat loss, if the total calorie is controlled, one should be able get similar results in terms of fat loss regardless of the type of foods consumed.

Sure many people have problems getting fat loss eating high calorie foods. Similarly, there are skinny people having hard time gaining mass regardless of the type of foods they eat, if their total calorie intake is at a deficit. So the point of the context is not the type of food but the total calorie consumption.

Finally, IIFYM is about calorie control and fat loss. It never mentioned that it is a total health approach. Though there are other factors regarding total health, such as regularity and mental state as you mention but that was never a variable that was stated as being a factor for IIFYM. The focus is on calorie control and fat loss, while receiving a sufficient amount of macronutrients to feed the body. One should not assume it is a do-everything methodology that is supposed to fix everything from micronutrient control, blood sugar control, regularity, state-of-mind, etc. On the other hand, just because it doesn't cover those aspects does not take away its effectiveness regarding fat control.

The problem with the Supersize it film was that the guy ate excessive calories of food and then blamed the result on the type of food (or not even the type but the shop where the food was purchased), rather than the total calories consumed. This tends to redirect the focus of the obesity, not to a calorie consumption but to a "brand identity". One can come out of that film thinking if they eat at Chipotles or some Salad Bar, they are ok, while they buy a 1000+ cal burrito or drench their salad with 3 packages of Ranch Dressing.

I am interested in how this works for timberwolf regarding fat loss and calorie control.

[cmoore]

And there in lies the problem with this type of diet, or diet of any sort. If one can eat whatever he wants and still lose weight or cut body fat or build muscle, why that's like having your cake and eating it too, isn't it? Most people would have difficulty being in caloric deficit eating this kind of food. That is too say, they would invariably eat too much of it.

Meh. Any caloric deficit is uncomfortable, it is a deficit after all. A diet that allows flexibility and choice will always be easier to follow, like everything else though, a little will power goes a long way.

IIFYM.

[kimm4]

Most people would have difficulty being in caloric deficit eating this kind of food. That is too say, they would invariably eat too much of it.

It's no different than people being in a calorie deficit following strict, boring, rigid diets...wondering why they constantly binge and fall off their plans?

Dieting is not meant to be easy. Either your head is in the game or it isn't period.

[mcbourque]

Just in!
Started reading this thread today. Super interesting experiment.

I'm very interested in the blood work result. I'm curious about the health side of things. Always been big on "everything in moderation." So I'm curious to see how the numbers behind this will turn out.

[PopeGregorius]

There was a professor who went on a twinkie diet, lost 27 pounds & improved his bloodwork:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/1...iet.professor/

After spending years on all types of diets, that has taught me that calories and macros are most important for fat loss. Exercise is less important in fat loss if you say only exercise for an hour per day.

[timberwolf]

Meh. Any caloric deficit is uncomfortable, it is a deficit after all. A diet that allows flexibility and choice will always be easier to follow, like everything else though, a little will power goes a long way.

IIFYM.

It's no different than people being in a calorie deficit following strict, boring, rigid diets...wondering why they constantly binge and fall off their plans?

Dieting is not meant to be easy. Either your head is in the game or it isn't period.

Exactly.

And thus far my progress has been as follows:
January 10 - 181.0 lbs
January 17 - 178.60
February 1 - 177.20
February 7 - 176.6
February 14 - 175.2
February 21 - 174.2

[ms_mac]

Are you aiming for a certain number of grams for protein and let the rest fall where they may, or are you following strict macros?

[SlothBane]

to also see the effects on certain health markers when I get blood work done again in 4-6 weeks. The last time I had blood work done was in October or November of last year and everything was in the healthy range if not ideal.

Interesting experiment, but doesn't health markers naturally improve when one achieves a leaner physique? I'm not sure where you will end up for your cut in April, but it would be interesting if you had blood marker data from a cleaner diet vs a Krispy Kreme diet where your bf% and lean mass are very similar.

Great experiment. Keep at it!

[EjnarKolinkar]

Biggest stumbling block for people is taking the name of some foods out of context with the total daily nutrition intake. It's not for me to say what will make someone else's world round cutting. Different people will take different roads. The variety of diets is not worth arguing over as long as they are relatively sane. I just applaud the determination to get to the destination.

[timberwolf]

Almost 6 weeks difference... January 18 to Feb 26 and only 5 lb difference

[dailob]

Almost 6 weeks difference... January 18 to Feb 26 and only 5 lb difference

you mean the hair right?

all joking aside - i guess you weren't planning on posting your macros daily for all to see what you're eating huh...

[timberwolf]

you mean the hair right?

all joking aside - i guess you weren't planning on posting your macros daily for all to see what you're eating huh...

I wanted to take a screen shot of my macros on myfitnesspal...

Today for example was 218g protein/ 252g carbs *36g fiber)/ 98g fat
Three donuts too.

[GuyJin]

Kane, there's a definite difference in the shots you put up. Maybe not much weight loss, but it seems to me that it's been all fat. Your abs are much more sharply defined and you look 'crisper' if I can use such a word. However, you also said that you might drop to 165. At that bodyweight, wouldn't you also be sacrificing muscle?

[discdoggie]

Almost 6 weeks difference... January 18 to Feb 26 and only 5 lb difference

Yep.

Not that you give a fck, but it is delightful for me to see you don't shave your armpit hair.

. Your abs are much more sharply defined and you look 'crisper' if I can use such a word.?

"Crisp" is a perfect descriptive. That's why you're the writer!

[dailob]

I wanted to take a screen shot of my macros on myfitnesspal...

Today for example was 218g protein/ 252g carbs *36g fiber)/ 98g fat
Three donuts too.

what are you eating/supplementing to account for those 36g of fiber?

[eazy57]

I wanted to take a screen shot of my macros on myfitnesspal...

Today for example was 218g protein/ 252g carbs *36g fiber)/ 98g fat
Three donuts too.

If you have time I wouldn't mind seeing your "myfitnesspal" screenshot. I'm also curious to where you're getting all your protein from.

[OutdoorsinCO]

Subbed. Will have to read the whole thing later, but definitely in to see how it works out.

[timberwolf]

If you have time I wouldn't mind seeing your "myfitnesspal" screenshot. I'm also curious to where you're getting all your protein from.

I do have 6 scoops of protein powder most days. So 60% is from that.

[brit-iron]

That 5lbs has made a big difference to your mid section, another 5lbs and your gonna be shredded as f$$k.

As you get leaner does your mood change at all? only asking because I'm getting a shorter and shorter fuse as I get leaner.

[GreenWave1]

Great read. Your original thread saved me from super clean eating. I don't junk out, but I am much more sensible about my diet now. I enjoy food more and am in better shape.

[mcours2006]

what are you eating/supplementing to account for those 36g of fiber?

I'm going to guess whole-wheat doughnuts, no?

[Xscoot]

Yep.

Not that you give a fck, but it is delightful for me to see you don't shave your armpit hair.



"Crisp" is a perfect descriptive. That's why you're the writer!

Amazing, 'delightful' and 'crisp' were the first words I thought of after looking at his pictures shortly after I overcame my depressed feelings of knowing I will never be Kane.

[drudixon]

That 5lbs has made a big difference to your mid section, another 5lbs and your gonna be shredded as f$$k.

As you get leaner does your mood change at all? only asking because I'm getting a shorter and shorter fuse as I get leaner.

It will., that's normal on deficit because fats and certain aminos that normally make hormones and what not are being burned for fuel. One more reason refeeds are positive.

[timberwolf]

I'm going to guess whole-wheat doughnuts, no?

LMAO. Hell. No.
Original glazed Krispy Kreme only.

[Black Sunday]

LMAO. Hell. No.
Original glazed Krispy Kreme only.

Don't knock em. Growing up as a kid in NYC we had these Chock Full O'nuts coffee shops that served whole wheat donuts covered in powdered sugar. Loved them.

[GuyJin]

Amazing, 'delightful' and 'crisp' were the first words I thought of after looking at his pictures shortly after I overcame my depressed feelings of knowing I will never be Kane.

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Have some Krispy Kreme doughnuts. The sugar rush is intoxicating.

See, DD, I used another descriptive word. This writing gig may actually pay off...when I'm eighty.

[timberwolf]

Made this meme for instagram... pretty much my apporach in a nutshell.

[brit-iron]

Haha, that sums it up perfectly.