Branch Warren and Johnnie Jackson training chest 10 weeks out from Arnold

[Larfleeze]

You need to calm down kid. It was a joke.

Anyone else I'd believe, but it was no more retarded than your usual posts.

[MrDeafMuscle]

Apparently JJ signed with Mutant.

[trulyhuge1]

Anyone else I'd believe, but it was no more retarded than your usual posts.

Ok. You need to let things go bud. It was a joke.

[trulyhuge1]

Johnnie looks great still IMO. Legs lagging but upper body is Mr. O material.
Branch is a shell of himself. Love him or hate him........he worked hard and achieved a lot. Sad seeing someone on the downward spiral.

[DanielEver]

He has two, should have none.

corrected that one for you

[sedrik]

Johnnie looks great still IMO. Legs lagging but upper body is Mr. O material.
Branch is a shell of himself. Love him or hate him........he worked hard and achieved a lot. Sad seeing someone on the downward spiral.

Not even close...

[Larfleeze]

corrected that one for you

Who do you think should have won in 11 then (with pics)?

[sexnews]

http://www.********.com/photo.php?v=...type=2&theater

[Zirkon]

Not even close...

So having one of the best backs and chests in the IFBB = not even close?














You must be new to the ifbb section.

[Musc1eBound]

I don't personally train like them but that gives me no reason to hate on them for the way they train. Yes, it may cause more injury etc, but the fact is Branch nor JoJ would be where they are if they hand't trained how they train. I'd say it worked pretty damn well for them.

[RoroCwalker]

So having one of the best backs and chests in the IFBB = not even close?

[sedrik]

So having one of the best backs and chests in the IFBB = not even close?














You must be new to the ifbb section.

Haha relax mate, he is not even close to the best. You honestly think that his upperbody can rival Heath? Refer to pics above, he gets destroyed. thanks Roroc

[JackDaniels18]

Sometimes you wonder where he went wrong.

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[Unbiasedfan]

Pak looking sick.

[Clense]

Branch is weaker, weird.

Johnnie was a powerlifter

Sometimes you wonder where he went wrong.

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waist got too wide, and he put on a bit too much mass imo

[Unbiasedfan]

Sometimes you wonder where he went wrong.
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Seriously? saying he went wrong while posting a pic of a physique that would never accomplish what he was able to by changing it?

It makes more sense saying "where he went wrong" and then posting a pic of him at his peak, like this



or



or even

[Unbiasedfan]

Johnnie was a powerlifter

Weaker compared to his former self.

[sedrik]

Damn Branch looked sick before, shame his training style destroyed his physique.

[Unbiasedfan]

Damn Branch looked sick before, shame his training style destroyed his physique.

He would argue, imo wrongly, that it also built it. Same with dorian's physique, that eventually was destroyed by his training, while he clames it was the reason why it stood out among the others.

[featureless]

So Branch ruined his physique playing the mass game...big deal. Plenty of others have and will continue to do so.

I always have a laugh to myself when clueless idiots post up pics of him from his past, standing alone or next to the non-elite of the time, making dumb statements like, "wonder where it all went wrong, or he had the potential to be Mr O if he hadn't ruined his lines." How about posting up a pic from that era standing beside the Current Mr O from that time. If you did this, you would notice that he was getting killed by the elite. Just go and look at his Olympia placings in 05 and 06.

Branch gambled, packed on the size and started beating most of the bodybuilding elite. Injuries aside, this plan never had long term merits when you take into account his frame limitations. When you pack that kind of mass onto a relatively small frame, there will always be eventual negative consequences such as a thickening of the waist and a sacrifice in aesthetics.

Just use some common-sense. If someone said to me that I could maintain an injury-free physique with maximum aesthetics appeal but finish 12th place at the Olympia every year or sacrifice all of this and snatch 2 Arnold Classics, I know which option I would choose. Each to their own.

[trulyhuge1]

So having one of the best backs and chests in the IFBB = not even close?














You must be new to the ifbb section.

Exactly. I'd put him right up there as the best from the waist up......no hesitation.

[sedrik]

Exactly. I'd put him right up there as the best from the waist up......no hesitation.

Thanks for the neg cutie xoxo really proved me wrong!
He has a lot of muscle/thickness for his sup-par frame, yes. However saying that this chit is Mr.Olympia quality is borderline retarded.


His biceps attach very short, his triceps attach very short and have poor mass. Almost zero forearm mass and also a terrible insertion. Wide waist, terrible rib structure, delts are average at best, chest is big and thick but lacks the proper insertions. Traps are very good, lats are alright but lack the 'lower' thickness, delts overpower the arms WAY to much in the BDB, no lower back in sight.
Good upper body? Definitely, comparable for a Sandow? No fukking way.

[Groggery]

Thanks for the neg cutie xoxo really proved me wrong!
He has a lot of muscle/thickness for his sup-par frame, yes. However saying that this chit is Mr.Olympia quality is borderline retarded.

His biceps attach very short, his triceps attach very short and have poor mass. Almost zero forearm mass and also a terrible insertion. Wide waist, terrible rib structure, delts are average at best, chest is big and thick but lacks the proper insertions. Traps are very good, lats are alright but lack the 'lower' thickness, delts overpower the arms WAY to much in the BDB, no lower back in sight.
Good upper body? Definitely, comparable for a Sandow? No fukking way.

The bolded represents you basically. Let me break it down for you:

Apart from his tricep insertions, his upper body is anything but sub-par.
Waist? No wider than either Phil or Kai, his obliques are pretty tight and his midsection is clearly above average.
Rib structure? Poor chest insertions? Mother****er this is JoJ, the guy we all laud every time the word "chest is mentioned. Get a grip.



No lower back or lat thickness in sight, nope.

[featureless]

Good post groggery. On his best day, JOJ can stand toe to toe with anybody in terms of upperbody and probably eclipse most. The thickness is out of this world.

[davidrodgersjr]

No lower back or lat thickness in sight, nope.

Good GAWD!!

[sedrik]

The bolded represents you basically. Let me break it down for you:

Apart from his tricep insertions, his upper body is anything but sub-par.
Waist? No wider than either Phil or Kai, his obliques are pretty tight and his midsection is clearly above average.
Rib structure? Poor chest insertions? Mother****er this is JoJ, the guy we all laud every time the word "chest is mentioned. Get a grip.

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No lower back or lat thickness in sight, nope.

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Where did I say his physique was sub-par? I said his FRAME was sub-par, but he has a good physique, but not Mr.Olympia material as the other poster mentioned.
Both Tony and Rhoden have better chest INSERTS but do not compare with his mass/thickness.
Post some stage pictures not gym pics for the back mate.........

[Groggery]

Post some stage pictures not gym pics for the back mate.........

You got one right there, champ. Have some more

Poor delts


Lats and back


Those lesser chest insertions

[sedrik]

You got one right there, champ. Have some more

Poor delts
[img]http://www.bodybuilders.gr/competitions/2012-olympia/prejudging/johnnie-jackson-mr-olympia-2012-2.jpmg]
[img]http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/images/extras/bms/jackson-wins-fibo-2012.pn/img]
Lats and back
[img]http://www.bodybuilders.gr/competitions/2012-olympia/prejudging/johnnie-jackson-mr-olympia-2012-3.jpmg]
[img]http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/IMG_3200_VPIYQFUPDE.jpg]
Those lesser chest insertions
[img]http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/arnoldclassiceurope2012/13.jpmg]

You keep misinterpreting my posts, stop putting words in my mouth. I said 'average delts' look at the picture you posted and you can see his average delts against the likes of Rhoden or Freeman, let alone Heath, and in your last post, you posted 1 pic from the front, and than three from the back not on stage. His chest inserts are not as square, wide or symmetrical as Rhodens or Freemans in the above pic.

Either way, I don't think you are getting the point. He has a great upperbody, but the other poster said it was Mr.Olympia quality. Which it is not, and that renders all the pictures irrelevant as we are comparing his physique to a Mr.Olympia.

[Groggery]

He has a great upperbody, but the other poster said it was Mr.Olympia quality. Which it is not.

You are literally the only dumbass that wouldn't think JoJ's upper body is O caliber.

The Olympia is not just Phil. It's not just Ronnie either.

Also your bias for the taller guys is incredibly annoying.

[sedrik]

You are literally the only dumbass that wouldn't think JoJ's upper body is O caliber.

The Olympia is not just Phil. It's not just Ronnie either.

Also your bias for the taller guys is incredibly annoying.

Instead of refuting any of my points as to why his upperbody isn't O standard and only responding to 1/5th of my posts, you resort to insults.
Also terrible argument, physiques differ according to when they compete. You are not going to say for example '(insert any pro of today) has a Mr.Olympia quality upper body because his upperbody is better than Lary Scott'.
We are comparing them at their respective career dates, so he will be compared against Phil and anyone else who competes on the same stage/era.
I love Flex Lewis, and also had zero idea how tall JoJ was until I saw the above pic. No bias.

Anyway subjective sport, blah blah blah, i'm done. Live, laugh, love xoxo