I guess Jym put together Scream too...similarities abound.
But I don't think it's overly expensive for what you get - some of the doses are very high. Would probably start with a half scoop of this anyways = 40 serves. So it's right in line with others.
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Eek I didn't even notice BA in that previous comment.
BA is actually one of the few great ingredients that never really belongs in a pre-workout, imo. Its uptake and metabolism with histidine to carnosine, though accelerated when muscle is under tension (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20199122), is slow and takes about an hour under the best conditions. (Read: old references, but see Winnick [1963])
Further, its inhibitory activity can be dismissed as beneficial in delaying fatigue or doing anything at all that would enhance performance during training. Intuition suggests that as a distant possibility, but there is no reason to believe it based on close physiological examination and the slacking evidence in research.
Carnosine is the target, not bA itself, and it takes a lengthy supplementation regime to get intramuscular carnosine to supraphysiological levels sufficient for performance enhancement in trained athletes.Driven Sports
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1) People might want to take less products.
2) Most enjoy this as its a sign something is going on.
The above is subjective. My point was this new(er) movement in which people are outspoken on including BA in preworkouts (despite this being the norm for many years prior, with success.....) is baseless in terms of non subjective reasons.[ANS Performance Representative]
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Where's De__eB when you need him?
But in all honestly, everyone quit complaining about the cost. If you have ever spent the extra money and truly experienced the added benefit of a quality profile, your opinion of whats "too expensive" would be much different.
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No it isn't. Beta-alanine does not do anything pre-workout because beta-alanine does not do anything beneficial for performance enhancement.
Carnosine, however, does. Rhizome says it best here:
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We're arguing semantics. I understand there might not be any specific benefit to taking it pre workout vs any other time during the day. However if you should choose to take your daily dose or half your daily dose pre workout thats quite fine. Thats my point. It also can be a convenience for most. Not having to worry about this powder and that powder etc.. Yes, Carnosine is the target and its the efficacy is base on accumulation over time.
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07-23-2013, 10:30 AM #85
I understand that BA is pointless in most PWOs, but then again only <5% of the intended market actually cares about if it "works" or not. The rest of users take a product (ex. C4) and feel the tingles, and THINK that the product is indeed working and having a positive effect on their workout. Thats why I think its a smart move by companies to keep BA in their PWO formulas.
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But if a formulation is driven by science, science suggests it to be a pointless cost raising ingredient in a preworkout product.
Regardless, the formula in OP is pretty good. I doubt it will last the test of time. For the most part, this industry is lead by underdosed, cheap to make products, that provide a "feeling'. Yet, aiding little in performance.Benes
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07-23-2013, 11:58 AM #90
I like Huperzine stand alone, but i prefer nootropics for the most part to stay outta pre-workouts.
No, not baseless for anyone who has above a 10th grade reading level and can follow simple logic.
There's no additional benefit to adding BA into a pre-workout, and as such it's an unnecessary cost to a product which is passed onto the consumer.
It's done with the intent of 'tingles' therefore enticing customers who think it's 'doing' something, when in fact there's no science showing it has any acute benefit pre-workout whatsoever.Lift | Eat | Repeat
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