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Thread: Alistair overeem got licensed
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01-10-2013, 06:08 AM #61
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01-10-2013, 06:40 AM #62
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01-10-2013, 09:19 AM #63
It would certainly be no easy feat to gain 30 pounds of lean mass in five years, especially when you're doing anaerobic activity six days a week.
But when your only job is to exercise around the clock, eating an insanely strict diet and doing so under the tutelage of Europe's best trainers and nutritionists, it's not beyond the realm of reality.
And again, even if he did speed up the gain of muscle tissue with PEDs, so what? Steroids aren't throwing the punches, doing the clinch work, checking the kicks, working the submissions, or doing the conditioning for him.Near, far, wherever you are...
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01-10-2013, 09:30 AM #64
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01-10-2013, 09:52 AM #65
Well what else can you point to where the NSAC came off as very generous and like fans for a fighter, but ended up dropping a hammer on him harder than their precedents would appear to call for (I don't think that's what happened at the suspension hearing anyway; though you do), or where it looked like they were really going on a "witch-hunt"?
I mean, they came down pretty hard on Nate Diaz, but their tone was very different and more harsh (perhaps because he challenged their authority and decision-making so much?). I'm not going to say it's impossible that's what they were doing: smiling while looking to twist the knife. But there's plenty of stuff on record with them on this stuff. It strikes me as pretty rash--unless you can establish some history of them doing this with fighters in analogous situations--to just assume that they were acting this way, here.Deathstroke and I list our most hilariously awful WCW moments (lots of gifs & vids; expect load time):
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01-10-2013, 09:57 AM #66
He admitted to using them. He just claimed he didn't know he was using them because the doctor (who had a fairly dirty history, which OVereem said he and his team was unaware of) didn't inform him what was in the anti-inflammatory shot he gave him to help him recover from his knee injury.
Deathstroke and I list our most hilariously awful WCW moments (lots of gifs & vids; expect load time):
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01-10-2013, 10:48 AM #67
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Believe he admitted to it during his testimony (was on video)
The whole thing is honestly odd to me and out of the norm of what we've seen with any fighter. From their "smiles" of the NSAC to the conditional license.
I've got to head out the door, but I'll try and come back tonight and expand a bit on my thinking...which I'm sure the minority will agree with me...lol. And thats fine."Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
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01-10-2013, 10:58 AM #68
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01-10-2013, 11:00 AM #69
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01-10-2013, 11:27 AM #70
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01-10-2013, 11:33 AM #71
still agree w/ you that they shouldn't be banned. But let's be real - they also enhance aggression and confidence, allow you to train more often and recover faster, and can certainly help you strike harder. They are without a doubt one of the greatest advantages someone can have.
RIP Anderson Silva - GOAT of MMA.
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01-10-2013, 11:34 AM #72
I didn't realize I was here to teach high-school.
Steroids are illegal so no they are not actually available to everyone.
When you sign the contract to fight you agree to perform under terms conditions put forth by the UFC and the respective state commission. One of those terms is that you will not use certain substances. When you do so you violate the contract and give yourself an advantage that your opponent and employer had not agreed to.
Lifting weights is not prohibited by any governing body so everyone is well within their right to do so. Nate Diaz was aware that Henderson or any opponent may/would be doing so and that he had the opportunity to do so himself.
The idea that you would ever equate exercise to steroids is ridiculous. It is seriously the most juvenile of logic.
If steroids (A) make you perform better (P) and exercise (B) make you performer better (P)...
A leads to P & B leads to P therefore A = B.
I hope you kept a receipt because your college owes you a refund.
And I agree that steroids should be legal for use but the UFC reserves the right as a private company to restrict there use among employees.
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01-10-2013, 01:15 PM #73
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01-10-2013, 01:43 PM #74
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01-10-2013, 01:54 PM #75
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01-10-2013, 02:03 PM #76
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01-10-2013, 02:10 PM #77
In bold.
He's not Ronnie Coleman, guy. He's ~250 pounds at 6'3". You act like he couldn't be that size without gear coming out of his eyes. Lest we forget, when he fought at 205, he still had to cut weight, so the actual weight gained is probably only 40-50 pounds in a five year span. For argument's sake, I suggested he's gained 30 lbs. of LBM in that time, with boils down to six pounds per year. If Carlos Condit suddenly blows up to 255 lean, yeah, it's safe to say he's juicing.
But Alistair's case has the shadow of doubt.
Bingo.Near, far, wherever you are...
...I believe that the heart does go on.
Once more, you open the door.
And you're here in my heart.
And my heart will go on and on.
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01-10-2013, 02:15 PM #78
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01-10-2013, 02:19 PM #79
because they each have different skillsets and probably different training protocols. No one, in their right mind, is suggesting steroids are a cure-all where if you start juicing then you just start winning fights. You've still got to put in the work, improve your technique, and get better. Also, while I haven't seen any statistical data on this, there's a ton of anecdotal evidence that certain guys respond more to drugs than others do (granted, most of that talk surrounds hypertrophy and bodybuilding because that's the area where steroid usage is not only more common but also where it's much less taboo.)
Deathstroke and I list our most hilariously awful WCW moments (lots of gifs & vids; expect load time):
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168458963
"You can't beat mah prices, but you can beat mah meat." - Dusty Rhodes
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01-10-2013, 02:46 PM #80
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01-10-2013, 03:22 PM #84
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01-10-2013, 03:31 PM #87
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We can gather from other sports that steroids increase speed (100m), strength (bodybulding), endurance/recovery (bike racing), but somehow you don't think those three things gives the guy an advantage in the ring. Having the speed to step quicker to avoid a take down, or the strength to avoid take down or throw the other guy around a bit/take opponent down. I agree it may not help him punch much harder, but there are many other advantages it gives. remember when everybody that fought hughs would say they were surprised by his strength. Steroids will help that.
And as far as the UFC not allowing them, I could very likely be wrong but I bet it is a sanctioning issue, like judges and weight classes. It's not the UFC choice(but that is just a guess).
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01-10-2013, 07:37 PM #88
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01-10-2013, 08:36 PM #89
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01-12-2013, 09:33 PM #90
Except its illegal and all the other things you mentioned are not...steroids are the tip of the iceberg
Hes carrying a larger amount of lean tissue than anyone on the planet could carry at his ht wt steroids gh slin epo all gave him that ability. You sound like someone who is starting to come to terms with adulthood kid but ill tell ya santa claus aint real and batman is just a comic strip series.Business As Usual
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