I don't HAVE to explain or justify who or what I am.

[Minotaur]

And I wonder why we (gay men) are spending so much time being reeled in by trolls, evangelical Christians and any others basically demanding us to provide proof why we are the way we are, or why we believe or don't believe what the Bible says or what-have-you. I don't HAVE to.

In the United States it is not illegal to be homosexual or to engage in homosexual sex. If you believe it is wrong, that's your belief... oh well. I am not forcing anything on you, believe it or not. You don't have to have homosexual sex if you are not homosexual. Really you don't. So stop the drama that we're forcing anything on you. If we win marriage rights, it won't affect you. Really it won't. If you want to believe it will, that's your right and your problem. I can't stop anyone from believing that Roswell is a big extraterrestrial cover-up either.

I don't know why I like men nor do I care... I just do... I can't explain it any more than a straight guy can explain why he likes women nor should I have to. Except for taking it to law to obtain equal rights (notice I said EQUAL rights not SPECIAL rights), it really is no one's business.

If you want to make it your business, then you have a personal problem at a very fundamental level. People who are well balanced are not interested in other peoples' sexuality and sex lives. To delve into or mock or criticize someone else's sexuality or sex life says more about the person making the criticisms or mockery than it does about the other person.

So whether you believe homosexuality is a sin, or unnatural, or wrong or whatever, just get over it and get over yourself. It's none of your business, because you are not that important.

[TwiloMike]

Are they getting to you, big guy?

HUGS.

[PTrainer828]

This thread is gay.

[The-Stig]

F*ck em all man. I hate religious fundamentalist f*cks. They claim that only God can judge us. If only God can judge us, why the f*ck do they go around judging every single individual around them every single f*cking day. Somehow, I hate the holier-than-thou attitude these religious f*cks try to project on other people. Having said that, I don't really give a **** about what another person likes or does in their life. As long as people don't force their opinions on me, I'm good to go. Cheers!

[DigitalMuscle]

And I wonder why we (gay men) are spending so much time being reeled in by trolls, evangelical Christians and any others basically demanding us to provide proof why we are the way we are, or why we believe or don't believe what the Bible says or what-have-you. I don't HAVE to.

In the United States it is not illegal to be homosexual or to engage in homosexual sex. If you believe it is wrong, that's your belief... oh well. I am not forcing anything on you, believe it or not. You don't have to have homosexual sex if you are not homosexual. Really you don't. So stop the drama that we're forcing anything on you. If we win marriage rights, it won't affect you. Really it won't. If you want to believe it will, that's your right and your problem. I can't stop anyone from believing that Roswell is a big extraterrestrial cover-up either.

I don't know why I like men nor do I care... I just do... I can't explain it any more than a straight guy can explain why he likes women nor should I have to. Except for taking it to law to obtain equal rights (notice I said EQUAL rights not SPECIAL rights), it really is no one's business.

If you want to make it your business, then you have a personal problem at a very fundamental level. People who are well balanced are not interested in other peoples' sexuality and sex lives. To delve into or mock or criticize someone else's sexuality or sex life says more about the person making the criticisms or mockery than it does about the other person.

So whether you believe homosexuality is a sin, or unnatural, or wrong or whatever, just get over it and get over yourself. It's none of your business, because you are not that important.

So you are saying that if we do not like it, then deal with it? Then yet you come into a relegious forum and being gay is NOT a relegion. So I tell you if you do not like Christians way of thinking then find a new forum to post in. That is like me going into a gay forum and bugging you all day long about how I do not care for being gay. What right do I have to go to a gay forum and bug you all day? If you want to talk about the Bible, politics, relegion in general then hey let us talk about it, but do NOT come into a forum such as this and try and start a fight when you know good and well how Christian or relegions in general feel about being gay. I can not think of one relegion that embraces being gay with the exception of Catholics and they only do it to keep money in the church.

This is a relegion and politics forum!

[Norman]

Of all the problems in the world, some people really are worried about what consenting adults do in their bedrooms.

[PTrainer828]

So you are saying that if we do not like it, then deal with it? Then yet you come into a relegious forum and being gay is NOT a relegion. So I tell you if you do not like Christians way of thinking then find a new forum to post in. That is like me going into a gay forum and bugging you all day long about how I do not care for being gay. What right do I have to go to a gay forum and bug you all day? If you want to talk about the Bible, politics, relegion in general then hey let us talk about it, but do NOT come into a forum such as this and try and start a fight when you know good and well how Christian or relegions in general feel about being gay. I can not think of one relegion that embraces being gay with the exception of Catholics and they only do it to keep money in the church.

This is a relegion and politics forum!

Amen, if I really wanted to stir up trouble I would go to the ultra gay thread in the other sections and raise hell.

[The-Stig]

So you are saying that if we do not like it, then deal with it? Then yet you come into a relegious forum and being gay is NOT a relegion. So I tell you if you do not like Christians way of thinking then find a new forum to post in. That is like me going into a gay forum and bugging you all day long about how I do not care for being gay. What right do I have to go to a gay forum and bug you all day? If you want to talk about the Bible, politics, relegion in general then hey let us talk about it, but do NOT come into a forum such as this and try and start a fight when you know good and well how Christian or relegions in general feel about being gay. I can not think of one relegion that embraces being gay with the exception of Catholics and they only do it to keep money in the church.

This is a relegion and politics forum!

Hey pal, this is not a religion and politics forum. This forum is primarily dedicated to bodybuilding and this section (religion and politics) falls under the miscellaneous section of the forum. Also, just because it's a religion and politics forum doesn't mean people can't post their disagreements about religion or politics. If you can't accept criticism, maybe you need to re-think your beliefs. Self preservation is something religious people are good at. Oh by the way, it's Religion and not relegion. Good luck!

[Minotaur]

Are they getting to you, big guy?

No, I've just had enough of having the Bible being shoved down my throat and the double standard of it. Take Digitalmuscle's little rant above, which I'm not even going to respond to directly. He thinks this is a Christian forum and it's his right to ram Christianity and what he thinks it is down my throat. El wrongo.

HUGS.

Back atcha, and more.

[PTrainer828]

Of all the problems in the world, some people really are worried about what consenting adults do in their bedrooms.

Its not about what goes on in the bedroom, its what it brings about in our country. Changing laws just because they want to butt hump people and women want to munch ech others rugs.

[PTrainer828]

Hey pal, this is not a religion and politics forum. This forum is primarily dedicated to bodybuilding and this section (religion and politics) falls under the miscellaneous section of the forum. Also, just because it's a religion and politics forum doesn't mean people can't post their disagreements about religion or politics. If you can't accept criticism, maybe you need to re-think your beliefs. Self preservation is something religious people are good at. Oh by the way, it's Religion and not relegion. Good luck!

This is the religion and politics section of this forum, youre not that dumb are you?

[Minotaur]

Of all the problems in the world, some people really are worried about what consenting adults do in their bedrooms.

This is my point... how small minded it is, when you think of it.

[The-Stig]

This is the religion and politics section of this forum, youre not that dumb are you?

Hey jackass, this is what he had in the last line of his post "This is a relegion and politics forum!" You need to read properly before you say stupid ****

[DigitalMuscle]

Hey pal, this is not a religion and politics forum. This forum is primarily dedicated to bodybuilding and this section (religion and politics) falls under the miscellaneous section of the forum. Also, just because it's a religion and politics forum doesn't mean people can't post their disagreements about religion or politics. If you can't accept criticism, maybe you need to re-think your beliefs. Self preservation is something religious people are good at. Oh by the way, it's Religion and not relegion. Good luck!

Demand a gay forum and go live there.... Good luck!

[bluesky3]

Minotaur-- They dont care why you are the way you are. They dont care about scientifically or sociologically justifying their bigotry. Theyre 'offended' at your very existence.

So I tell you if you do not like Christians way of thinking then find a new forum to post in.

Translation: Go away so I can pretend you dont exist.

And if we dont humor their hatred, "INTOLERANCE! PERSECUTION!" they scream!

Fundamentalism kills the ability to sense irony. Take heart, Mino-- the amendment failed in AZ. The rest will follow, it will just take some time.

[The-Stig]

Demand a gay forum and go live there.... Good luck!

You just proved my point. Did you even fully read my post? You just don't want to listen to what other people have to say and yet you push your **** onto others. I don't need another forum because I'm not gay and I don't have a problem with gay people posting on here. God Bless. /sarcasm

[PTrainer828]

You just proved my point. Did you even fully read my post? You just don't want to listen to what other people have to say and yet you push your **** onto others. I don't need another forum because I'm not gay and I don't have a problem with gay people posting on here. God Bless. /sarcasm

Youre an idiot, the fahggot who is the OP is complaining about how people on the RELIGION and POLITICS section is treating their gayness. You cant go into the movies section and post about monster trucks. Same goes for gayness. In a section like this, expect some anti gay posters, if you dont like it, go to a gay section or a gay site.

[Minotaur]

Minotaur-- They dont care why you are the way you are. They dont care about scientifically or sociologically justifying their bigotry. Theyre 'offended' at your very existence.

Translation: Go away so I can pretend you dont exist.

And if we dont humor their hatred, "INTOLERANCE! PERSECUTION!" they scream!

Fundamentalism kills the ability to sense irony. Take heart, Mino-- the amendment failed in AZ. The rest will follow, it will just take some time.

Qft.

[The-Stig]

Youre an idiot, the fahggot who is the OP is complaining about how people on the RELIGION and POLITICS section is treating their gayness. You cant go into the movies section and post about monster trucks. Same goes for gayness. In a section like this, expect some anti gay posters, if you dont like it, go to a gay section or a gay site.

That's nice of you to call me an idiot when none of you f*cks can even comprehend my point. That's even nicer of you to call the OP a ***got. Oh by the way, just because it's a religion and politics section does not mean people with differing opinions cannot post in here. If you actually browse through various threads in THIS section, you will realize that this isn't the first thread that criticizes religion for being anti-homosexual. And why in the world are you showing hatred towards people that have non-compatible sexual preferences than yours? Didn't Jesus say "Love everyone" and not "Love everyone except for ***s and people of other beliefs"?

[Norman]

Its not about what goes on in the bedroom, its what it brings about in our country. Changing laws just because they want to butt hump people and women want to munch ech others rugs.

What are the negative effects for your country that homosexuell people bring about?

[Dr.Strange]

How come all these gay threads end up becoming so popular?

Topic is pretty boring if you ask me.

[Minotaur]

Its not about what goes on in the bedroom, its what it brings about in our country. Changing laws just because they want to butt hump people and women want to munch ech others rugs.

I'm going to respond to this only to point out that you didn't, or cannot read or comprehend what was in my original post...

In the United States it is not illegal to be homosexual or to engage in homosexual sex.

Homosexual sex is not illegal in the United States. Read the US Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas. The sky has not fallen, asteroids and comets have not plummeted to Earth, plague and pestilence have not afflicted mankind.

Your comments just further underscore why it's pointless to argue with some people. Your comments are based simply on fear, hate and ignorance... fear and hate of what you are ignorant of... ignorance as in "lack of knowledge", not used as a pejorative.

[PTrainer828]

I'm going to respond to this only to point out that you didn't, or cannot read or comprehend what was in my original post...



Homosexual sex is not illegal in the United States. Read the US Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas. The sky has not fallen, asteroids and comets have not plummeted to Earth, plague and pestilence have not afflicted mankind.

Your comments just further underscore why it's pointless to argue with some people. Your comments are based simply on fear, hate and ignorance... fear and hate of what you are ignorant of... ignorance as in "lack of knowledge", not used as a pejorative.

And you like to put your penis in mens butts and youre going to hell.

[xer0xed]

Nuh uh, you just din't!

You go, boy!

[PowerBuilder08]

As a Christian, I feel your sexuality is YOUR choice, and absolutely none of my business, I don't care what you do, as it does not affect me in any way, shape, or form.

But when idiots when PTrainer show up...well I'm sorry that's a poor representation of Christianity. We're not all as ignorant and idiotic

[Lager1]

Ok great good for you, now stop making gay threads. This is like the 8th one I've seen. Go to the gay thread in the relationship section. No one gives a **** about you, so stop crying and go away, unless you are too addicted to calling attention to yourself.

[Minotaur]

We're not all as ignorant and idiotic

True. Unfortunately it's always the extremists and kooks that get all the press, in any group. I'd say 99.998% of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. are just good people who want to live and let live.

[Fidelis]

Ok great good for you, now stop making gay threads. This is like the 8th one I've seen. Go to the gay thread in the relationship section. No one gives a **** about you, so stop crying and go away, unless you are too addicted to calling attention to yourself.

I care about what he has to say and I'm glad he made this thread.

So you are saying that if we do not like it, then deal with it? Then yet you come into a relegious forum and being gay is NOT a relegion. So I tell you if you do not like Christians way of thinking then find a new forum to post in. That is like me going into a gay forum and bugging you all day long about how I do not care for being gay. What right do I have to go to a gay forum and bug you all day? If you want to talk about the Bible, politics, relegion in general then hey let us talk about it, but do NOT come into a forum such as this and try and start a fight when you know good and well how Christian or relegions in general feel about being gay. I can not think of one relegion that embraces being gay with the exception of Catholics and they only do it to keep money in the church.

This is a relegion and politics forum!

And homosexuality is an issue relevant to both religious and political discussions. In fact, it's one that's come up repeatedly in the R/P subforum.

[Purge]

Ok great good for you, now stop making gay threads. This is like the 8th one I've seen. Go to the gay thread in the relationship section. No one gives a **** about you, so stop crying and go away, unless you are too addicted to calling attention to yourself.

Here, let me help you a little further along into the Red Sea.

[PowerBuilder08]

Here, let me help you a little further along into the Red Sea.

At least our friend Ptrainer got banned...maybe adilrockstar turned troll after his original ban?