Havoc Cycle on a budget. Please critique

[Bob_Ross42]

Fist off, I am 21. This will be my first PH, but definitely done a lot of research over the years and waited until perfect time to do one. I plan on doing this cycle in July(pct in august) sense I have nothing going on, no school or job. just lift, eat, and sleep

Ok here we go.
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Havoc: 20/30/30/30(40)
AI Cycle Support
NOW Taurine

PCT:
AI PCS
And either Tamoxifen 40/20/20/10 or 6-OXO

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If i have the money in 8 weeks, I may add in Lean Xtreme, but not certain.
If i have money i may also add SAMe in with PCT.


Tamoxifen and 6OXO will cost me the same price, still deciding which one to go with. I think ill feel more comfortable with otc 6oxo.

I appreciate your thoughts.

[2ThaRow]

Why start off with Havoc if its your first time and your on a tight budget?

[Amino89]

I think something like H-Drol (Halodrol) might be a better choice for a first timer. Nevertheless, you need to pre-load the Cycle Support 10-14 days before starting the cycle and continue it during your cycle. If you can get a SERM for alongside the PCS for the Havoc PCT that would be optimal. If you decide to go with H-Drol you could get by with Post Cycle Support and 6-oxo much easier.

[Bob_Ross42]

Why start off with Havoc if its your first time and your on a tight budget?

bold is too expensive, 3ad is too new. I just sold old version of AX phera plex to run havoc. And i dont think i will be able to dedicate a solid 2 months into a cycle like this like i will be able to this coming july/august. so i want to try something medium intensity.

[Slyphucker]

Uhh... Hi, any ph will take you 2 months. 1 month on and 1 month for pct.

Don't do it if you aren't prepared for that.

Sounds like you don't know your ****, which will equal fail


READ, READ,READ

[Bob_Ross42]

Uhh... Hi, any ph will take you 2 months. 1 month on and 1 month for pct.

Don't do it if you aren't prepared for that.

Sounds like you don't know your ****, which will equal fail


READ, READ,READ

lol, i know this sir

[Slyphucker]

i would add at the very least ic3 to that stack.

Have you read the OTC PTC guide? You should research that.

[Bob_Ross42]

i would add at the very least ic3 to that stack.

Have you read the OTC PTC guide? You should research that.

Yes, i did read it. I3C, and SAMe are both optional for me. what i listed in OP where for sure, on hand items i will have before starting. If i went 6-oxo route, i would do 1-6 weeks of pcs/same, and add 6oxo on week 4-7
most likely i will end up getting lean xtreme, just not on hand prior to cycle, if i do buy it i will buy it later on. thanks for reply.

Also, most likely i will end up buying the nolva later on, to have just in case (if i do go with 6-oxo). but again what i listed where things i will buy right now.

[Slyphucker]

Actually after re-reading your thread, if you have access to nolva that would be the cheapest route.

use bulk milk thistle and bulk hawthorne berry to pre load before your cycle, then use the AI products on and off cycle.

I plan on using NOW Liver Detox, and NOW hawtorne berry for my pre load when I do my Havoc cycle.

Get the nolva if you want out cheap. OTC is expensive route to pct.

[Rocky025]

u might need a liver protector if you care about your liver possible being hurt...Havoc is not that taxing on it though, but its nice to be safe.

ex. LIV.52 (Livercare)

u might need a sup to stop acne if you care about acne! most people get acne bad! i did!

ex. Panthitic Acid

[Amino89]

u might need a liver protector if you care about your liver possible being hurt...Havoc is not that taxing on it though, but its nice to be safe.

ex. LIV.52 (Livercare)

u might need a sup to stop acne if you care about acne! most people get acne bad! i did!

ex. Panthitic Acid

He has Cycle Support which is more then enough for a all-in-one support supp. Just don't forget to pre-load 10-14 days before the cycle.

[Bob_Ross42]

He has Cycle Support which is more then enough for a all-in-one support supp. Just don't forget to pre-load 10-14 days before the cycle.

Would preloading milk thistle be suitable enough? Im trying to avoid purchasing two tubs of cycle support.

[Amino89]

Would preloading milk thistle be suitable enough? Im trying to avoid purchasing two tubs of cycle support.

Pre-load Milk Thistle and Hawthorne Berry.

[br0_r0gan]

might as well get nolva and if you don't use it you'll have it for future cycles

[Bob_Ross42]

might as well get nolva and if you don't use it you'll have it for future cycles

would nolva and AI PCS be sufficient enough?

[Androgen]

would nolva and AI PCS be sufficient enough?

yes thats plenty. either that, or nolva 6-oxo. That cycle plan is absolutely fine, anything else is just fancy IMO. Even just nolva would do the job IMO

[Bob_Ross42]

cool, anything else?

(I am going with the nolva)

[Amino89]

Looks good to me PCS, and Nolva should be plenty, good luck with it man.