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    If Weidman beats current headkicking Vitor then Jacare............

    He will have 5 wins greater than ANY of Andersons at MW.

    At MW Anderson hasnt beaten anyone as good as Anderson, Lyoto, Vitor or Jacare.

    The Vitor we see now is much better than the Vitor Anderson fought. That Vitor wasnt ranked at MW and only beat Terry Martin and a past prime Matt Lindland. The Franklin bout was a catchweight. Vitor now is coming off stoppages over Rockhold and Bisping.

    Jacare is already on a massive streak and if he beats Kennedy, Romero or Rockhold next its no question. If Rockhold beats him after he curbstomps Bisping then he would be on a better streak. Hendo was never a great MW he fought for the title coming off a loss to Misaki. He got beat up by Jake Shields at MW too. He was always a better LHW.

    Andersons best MW wins-Franklin, Nate, Chael, Okami and Vitor
    None of those guys are as good as Anderson, Lyoto, current Vitor, Jacare or Rockhold...................lesbiahonest. Its only a matter of time till Chris is MW GOAT
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    Originally Posted by StarksFX View Post
    The Vitor we see now is much better than the Vitor Anderson fought.
    We'll see if the Vitor going forward is better than the one Anderson fought, if you catch my drift.

    And let's give it some time before we declare Weidman the MW GOAT. The division looks deep enough for him to have a chance, but we've got to see how he performs first and if he can keep getting Ws. Anderson's streak and all those finishes is going to be a tough one to beat.
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    Originally Posted by RoccoTanno123 View Post
    We'll see if the Vitor going forward is better than the one Anderson fought, if you catch my drift.

    And let's give it some time before we declare Weidman the MW GOAT. The division looks deep enough for him to have a chance, but we've got to see how he performs first and if he can keep getting Ws. Anderson's streak and all those finishes is going to be a tough one to beat.
    Yeah, true

    I think Weidman is already more complete than Anderson ever was but he does need to keep winning. He doesnt need to surpass Andersons total win number either since hes gonna be facing much tougher competition.
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    Originally Posted by RoccoTanno123 View Post
    We'll see if the Vitor going forward is better than the one Anderson fought, if you catch my drift.
    Exactly. Anderson beat TRT Vitor. Weidman is facing withdrawal vitor, and much more aged. No comparison.
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    Exactly. Anderson beat TRT Vitor. Weidman is facing withdrawal vitor, and much more aged. No comparison.
    Anderson didn't beat TRT Vitor.
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    Originally Posted by Carter80 View Post
    Anderson didn't beat TRT Vitor.
    Vitor has stated he's been on TRT since his bout with Anderson Silva.
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    Originally Posted by Carter80 View Post
    Anderson didn't beat TRT Vitor.
    The opposite of being informed is being ignorant. Don't be ignorant.

    However, Belfort revealed in an interview to UOL that he was already on the testosterone replacement therapy when he fought Silva, back in 2011.

    "I’ve (been doing this) for three years," Belfort said. "I did some exams and they saw I had low testosterone levels. The doctor said ‘Vitor, we need to do something. I don’t know if you agree with this, but it’s important that you do it.’ And it was done."

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    Originally Posted by StarksFX View Post
    He will have 5 wins greater than ANY of Andersons at MW.

    At MW Anderson hasnt beaten anyone as good as Anderson, Lyoto, Vitor or Jacare.

    The Vitor we see now is much better than the Vitor Anderson fought. That Vitor wasnt ranked at MW and only beat Terry Martin and a past prime Matt Lindland. The Franklin bout was a catchweight. Vitor now is coming off stoppages over Rockhold and Bisping.

    Jacare is already on a massive streak and if he beats Kennedy, Romero or Rockhold next its no question. If Rockhold beats him after he curbstomps Bisping then he would be on a better streak. Hendo was never a great MW he fought for the title coming off a loss to Misaki. He got beat up by Jake Shields at MW too. He was always a better LHW.

    Andersons best MW wins-Franklin, Nate, Chael, Okami and Vitor
    None of those guys are as good as Anderson, Lyoto, current Vitor, Jacare or Rockhold...................lesbiahonest. Its only a matter of time till Chris is MW GOAT


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    Originally Posted by Burgerbuger View Post
    Vitor has stated he's been on TRT since his bout with Anderson Silva.
    Ah. Had no idea. The Vitor that fought Silva looked drastically different, physique and aggressive-wise, than the one that fought Jones/Bisping/Rockhold.
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    Originally Posted by Magicmees View Post
    Most top 10 wins out of all MMA fighters
    All those wins were to bums brah didn't you know? Dan Henderson was never a legit killer, Franklin was a bum champ, and Forest was toast 1 fight after being the LHW champ... Anderson was gifted all easy fights

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    and aggressive-wise, than the one that fought Jones/Bisping/Rockhold.
    That's probably b/c he was standing in front of the untouchable champion who was capable of putting his lights out... probably the most intimidating fighter in the UFC, and you're comparing that to how he fights Michael F'n Bisping? LOL
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    Originally Posted by Carter80 View Post
    Ah. Had no idea. The Vitor that fought Silva looked drastically different, physique and aggressive-wise, than the one that fought Jones/Bisping/Rockhold.
    Anderson was pure perfection in that fight, I would say it was his best performance... he didn't give Vitor much room to shine in there. And Vitor has never been a stupid fighter, he waits for his moments, just like he waited for the right moment in Hendo fight.

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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    That's probably b/c he was standing in front of the untouchable champion who was capable of putting his lights out... probably the most intimidating fighter in the UFC, and you're comparing that to how he fights Michael F'n Bisping? LOL
    You're going to honestly tell me that Anderson beat the same Vitor that bulldozed through Bisping/Rockhold/Henderson? Don't be silly.
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    Originally Posted by Carter80 View Post
    You're going to honestly tell me that Anderson beat the same Vitor that bulldozed through Bisping/Rockhold/Henderson? Don't be silly.
    Forgetting how Vitor muscles "look" let's talk about actual skills and talent. Before the Anderson fight he was on a 5 fight win streak, 4 of which KO's. After losing to Anderson he went on to KO Akiyama and Sub Anthony Johnson... that's no losses in 5 years other than Silva. I'd say Vitor was just as dangerous when he was throwing punches instead of kicks.
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    Forgetting how Vitor muscles "look" let's talk about actual skills and talent. Before the Anderson fight he was on a 5 fight win streak, 4 of which KO's. After losing to Anderson he went on to KO Akiyama and Sub Anthony Johnson... that's no losses in 5 years other than Silva. I'd say Vitor was just as dangerous when he was throwing punches instead of kicks.
    So you laugh at me referencing Bisping, but you want to use Akiyama and a fluctuating Anthony Johnson as examples. Ok.
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    Originally Posted by Carter80 View Post
    So you laugh at me referencing Bisping, but you want to use Akiyama and a fluctuating Anthony Johnson as examples. Ok.
    You are dense aren't you? We're addressing his winning streak not the talent of every individual on it. Johnson is already 10x the fighter bisping will ever be and actually has top 10 wins. Before Silva, Vitor put Rich Franklin to sleep.. I'm sure you'll have something idiotic to say about that too
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    he will beat vitor for sure and will be favored to beat jacare
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    Exactly. Anderson beat TRT Vitor. Weidman is facing withdrawal vitor, and much more aged. No comparison.
    Vitor now is a lot better than the one who fought Anderson. Its not TRT hes technically a very different fighter. Has Vitor ever even thrown a head kick before this streak? Its b/c of Henri Hooft and Pedro Diaz at Blackzilians Vitors striking has never been as good as it is now.

    Look at Rumble, Eddie Alvarez, Michael Johnson, Mitrione, Thiago Silva etc. Theyve all improved alot at Blackzilians recently too
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    Originally Posted by StarksFX View Post
    He will have 5 wins greater than ANY of Andersons at MW.

    At MW Anderson hasnt beaten anyone as good as Anderson, Lyoto, Vitor or Jacare.

    The Vitor we see now is much better than the Vitor Anderson fought. That Vitor wasnt ranked at MW and only beat Terry Martin and a past prime Matt Lindland. The Franklin bout was a catchweight. Vitor now is coming off stoppages over Rockhold and Bisping.

    Jacare is already on a massive streak and if he beats Kennedy, Romero or Rockhold next its no question. If Rockhold beats him after he curbstomps Bisping then he would be on a better streak. Hendo was never a great MW he fought for the title coming off a loss to Misaki. He got beat up by Jake Shields at MW too. He was always a better LHW.

    Andersons best MW wins-Franklin, Nate, Chael, Okami and Vitor
    None of those guys are as good as Anderson, Lyoto, current Vitor, Jacare or Rockhold...................lesbiahonest. Its only a matter of time till Chris is MW GOAT
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    You're a big Silva fan so my opinion isn't gonna matter, but I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that Anderson faced the same competition that Weidman will face (if he keeps winning). Anderson looked amazing against most of his opponents, but the caliber of his opponents can not be compared to what Weidman is expected to face (Rockhold, Souza, Machida, etc.). You can't blame Anderson for fighting the best AT THE TIME, but Weidman's last 3 wins were already far more impressive than 90% of what Anderson has accomplished.
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    Originally Posted by Workout4ever View Post
    he will beat vitor for sure and will be favored to beat jacare
    I don't see Jacare being a huge threat to Weidman IMO. His striking has improved significantly, but it's not as impressive as everyone makes it out to be. His only chance against Weidman (IMO, once again) is on the ground, but getting a wrestler as good as Weidman there is easier said than done. Weidman's BJJ is also extremely impressive for his lack of experience so I doubt he will be a slouch on the ground.
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    Originally Posted by Stray94 View Post
    You're a big Silva fan so my opinion isn't gonna matter, but I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that Anderson faced the same competition that Weidman will face (if he keeps winning). Anderson looked amazing against most of his opponents, but the caliber of his opponents can not be compared to what Weidman is expected to face (Rockhold, Souza, Machida, etc.). You can't blame Anderson for fighting the best AT THE TIME, but Weidman's last 3 wins were already far more impressive than 90% of what Anderson has accomplished.
    Lets see who machida has beat recently...

    Munoz: A gatekeeper at best who needs to hang it up. A flash knockout is not a testament to his actual skill.

    Mousasi: A very very unimpressive performance...again nothing notable in this fight that stood out to make me believe he actually had what it took to beat Weidman.

    Not discrediting Weidman any bit, but he has tons of work to do, lots of chips need to fall in his favor if he even wants to touch the status of silva.

    Now with a declining Vitor post trt, there will be another asterick because everybody knows vitor really doesnt have the real chance he had if he would still be on trt. Thats a huuuuge X factor, if vitor loses trt is to blame, if he wins then ya know.
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetical View Post
    Lets see who machida has beat recently...

    Munoz: A gatekeeper at best who needs to hang it up. A flash knockout is not a testament to his actual skill.

    Mousasi: A very very unimpressive performance...again nothing notable in this fight that stood out to make me believe he actually had what it took to beat Weidman.

    Not discrediting Weidman any bit, but he has tons of work to do, lots of chips need to fall in his favor if he even wants to touch the status of silva.

    Now with a declining Vitor post trt, there will be another asterick because everybody knows vitor really doesnt have the real chance he had if he would still be on trt. Thats a huuuuge X factor, if vitor loses trt is to blame, if he wins then ya know.
    Lyotos a better fighter than any that Anderson has beaten. If u cant see his skill in the Munoz and Gegard fights youre blind...............Styles make matchups just b/c Jacare beat Gegard easier than Lyoto doesnt mean hes better. Dolloway and Leites beat Carmont easier than Jacare doesnt mean theyre better than him...........
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    Originally Posted by Stray94 View Post
    You're a big Silva fan so my opinion isn't gonna matter, but I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that Anderson faced the same competition that Weidman will face (if he keeps winning). Anderson looked amazing against most of his opponents, but the caliber of his opponents can not be compared to what Weidman is expected to face (Rockhold, Souza, Machida, etc.). You can't blame Anderson for fighting the best AT THE TIME, but Weidman's last 3 wins were already far more impressive than 90% of what Anderson has accomplished.
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    Your argument would make more sense if Anderson had actually fought Lyoto, Jacare or Rockhold.

    Weidman is the best ever because he's beaten people Anderson has never even fought? Okay...

    FYI I would favour prime Anderson over anyone Weidman has beaten.
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    Originally Posted by Babalu1 View Post
    Your argument would make more sense if Anderson had actually fought Lyoto, Jacare or Rockhold.

    Weidman is the best ever because he's beaten people Anderson has never even fought? Okay...

    FYI I would favour prime Anderson over anyone Weidman has beaten.
    Prime Anderson loses to Lyoto.
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    Originally Posted by StarksFX View Post
    Prime Anderson loses to Lyoto.
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    Originally Posted by StarksFX View Post
    Prime Anderson loses to Lyoto.
    not sheriff srs lol ease off of Weidman's nuts
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    Originally Posted by StarksFX View Post
    Prime Anderson loses to Lyoto.
    LOL. Yet shogun, who's half the striker Anderson is KO'd him?
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    You are dense aren't you? We're addressing his winning streak not the talent of every individual on it. Johnson is already 10x the fighter bisping will ever be and actually has top 10 wins. Before Silva, Vitor put Rich Franklin to sleep.. I'm sure you'll have something idiotic to say about that too
    Funny how you bypassed mentioning Akiyama again. Anyway, in regards to AJ, the dude was not in the same elite form he is at now. The guy missed weight for that fight and had been going through a lot of issues with camp. So it's safe to assume that the AJ that fought Vitor may not have been in top form at the time. As for Franklin, no doubt, that was a good win for Vitor. But lets not forget that was at a catchweight with Franklin. Again, I'm just saying that to think that the Vitor that Anderson fought is the same Vitor that demolished his opponents afterwards is kind of goofy.
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    op is completely right, both GSP and Anderson fought nothing but slow slow white boys and Brazilians without access to state of the art training camps during their reigns as champion. Hendricks and Weidman already have better reigns as champions than GSP and Anderson due to much stronger competition.
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