Many college aged kids are straight up retards financially and deserve no sympathy

[FelixTheCat1919]

Is college in and if itself expensive? Yes. That being said, it is absolutely wild how absolutely financially retarded tons of people ages 18 - early 20's are about it, making a problem far worse than it needs to be.

Tons of them will do chit like insist on going to an out of state school while paying out of state tuition prices rather than pick a school in their state/state that has a tuition agreement with a surrounding state(s) to keep it the same for those state students, or establishing residency first elsewhere to get the normal in-state tuition rate. That move basically doubles their debt. Many will balk at the idea of doing 2 years of community college (far cheaper than a 4 year) for their generals and then having it all transfer no problem to some nearby state school, many of which have full credit transfer deals lined up with a nearby community college or three.

I've even seen people give up good scholarships they had for chit like music because they insisted on going to school for their undergrad in another state. Yep, I've literally seen someone give up a full music scholarship to a local state school in her city she grew up in, because she "needed the REAL college experience" of moving far away from home, so she quit the place giving her free tuition to fart around in the school band so she could pay $80k to finish up somewhere out of state.

Also, people moan about parents no letting their kids live at home for free as young adults when going to school. Total bs, tons of parents would have no issue letting their kids live at home scott free during their early college years, but most of the kids absolutely insist on moving out to live in the dorms or an apartment no matter what. Because they can't lose any of their precious partying opportunities.

[LuvVag]

What if someone wants to go to an Ivy league school and said Ivy league is out of state? Good luck trying to transfer after 2 years to said school as well.

Also, statistically, the top 50 schools in the US have better outcomes than any other school. If you look at the data, the top 50 schools have significantly lower defaults on student loans and the number of defaults grow the lower the school rank is.

So essentially, it DOES matter what school you go to. Better connections, better experience etc.

If you just want a degree/piece of paper saying you went to college, then your idea is better.

[FelixTheCat1919]

What if someone wants to go to an Ivy league school and said Ivy league is out of state? Good luck trying to transfer after 2 years to said school as well.

Also, statistically, the top 50 schools in the US have better outcomes than any other school. If you look at the data, the top 50 schools have significantly lower defaults on student loans and the number of defaults grow the lower the school rank is.

So essentially, it DOES matter what school you go to. Better connections, better experience etc.

Going to an Ivy League would be a retarded decision for 95%+ of people.

The connections thing is starting to matter less and less at this point. Employers have clearly been taking notice recently that a lot of jobs they thought required a certain degree don't, or that going to a certain school mattered so much. They're starting to care far more about actual life experience than just what school someone went to. How much your school of choice matters also depends greatly on what you went for.

We're also talking undergrads, here. Nobody gives a chit where you did your undergrad, as long as it was a real school.

[blueberryboy]

Agree bro
College is a bit different in canada than USA

But I basically went to college as cheap as possible

Lived at my parents house and commuted to the school. No living in res etc

I remember my sister went to an out of town school first year and stayed in res..blew like 3 times the money I did . She returned home after that 1 year

[FAPhaggot]

What if someone wants to go to an Ivy league school and said Ivy league is out of state? Good luck trying to transfer after 2 years to said school as well.

Also, statistically, the top 50 schools in the US have better outcomes than any other school. If you look at the data, the top 50 schools have significantly lower defaults on student loans and the number of defaults grow the lower the school rank is.

So essentially, it DOES matter what school you go to. Better connections, better experience etc.

If you just want a degree/piece of paper saying you went to college, then your idea is better.

I've talked to some hiring managers about this, and the sheen has worn off the Ivy League and big-name schools even compared to 5 years ago. The grade inflation there is rampant (same for most universities tbh) and the students are more entitled than public school grads.

[Dave22reborn]

My ex back in high school went to Saint Xavier, got a degree in Art History, worked at McDonald's till she was 26-27, and then became a teacher at the high school we went to.....

[nutsy54]

What if someone wants to go to an Ivy league school and said Ivy league is out of state?

Wanting something doesn't mean they can afford it...

[200StabWounds]

I remember my sister went to an out of town school first year and stayed in res..blew like 3 times the money I did . She returned home after that 1 year

just imagine the amout of dudes that banged her

probably even had trains run on her

[GaloisTheory]

True. I'm glad I was on a scholarship and didn't have to pay a dime for college. I would have done the transfer route if I had to pay for it, but two years of community college while living at home would have been complete ass, lol.

[FelixTheCat1919]

Wanting something doesn't mean they can afford it...

This.


I want a lot of things. Many of those things, I can't afford without totally busting the bank over it. This is true for anyone who isn't absolutely loaded to the gills with funds. 18 year olds who haven't done chit in their own lives yet are in no place to feel like they "deserve" to go to the most expensive schools in the country just because.

[nothingshocking]

Going to an Ivy League would be a retarded decision for 95%+ of people.

The connections thing is starting to matter less and less at this point. Employers have clearly been taking notice recently that a lot of jobs they thought required a certain degree don't, or that going to a certain school mattered so much. They're starting to care far more about actual life experience than just what school someone went to. How much your school of choice matters also depends greatly on what you went for.

We're also talking undergrads, here. Nobody gives a chit where you did your undergrad, as long as it was a real school.

you are a moron

where did you go to college?

[FelixTheCat1919]

you are a moron

where did you go to college?

Lmao at you trying to tell me you're not mad af at me all the time when you constantly go out of your way to follow me around on here like you have a crush on me or some chit

[nothingshocking]

Lmao at you trying to tell me you're not mad af at me all the time when you constantly go out of your way to follow me around on here like you have a crush on me or some chit

I'm not mad at you, you are an moron. That's all.

You post insanely idiotic crap on here non-stop and there is minimal volume going through this site, you've done this for years under Northernlights7 as well. You were just as stupid back then.

So answer the question. You say Ivy League schools are a bad choice for 95% of people. This must mean you are significantly more successful than the folks who choose to go to Ivy league schools.

So what college did you go to and what great success are you having in your life that you are better off not having gone to an Ivy?

[FelixTheCat1919]

I'm not mad at you, you are an moron. That's all.

You post insanely idiotic crap on here non-stop and there is minimal volume going through this site, you've done this for years under Northernlights7 as well. You were just as stupid back then.

So answer the question. You say Ivy League schools are a bad choice for 95% of people. This must mean you are significantly more successful than the folks who choose to go to Ivy league schools.

So what college did you go to and what great success are you having in your life that you are better off not having gone to an Ivy?

lmao you're salty as fuk

[nothingshocking]

lmao you're salty as fuk

I guess this answers my question. You're a loser in life too.

Good thing you didn't make that big mistake of going to an Ivy you never would have gotten into anyway

[crupiea]

Back in the day college was a luxury for the smartest and sharpest kids. Thats why many got good jobs out of school. It was not because of some magic boomer economy, it was because they actually applied themselves in tough courses that got them goot solid useful degrees.

Now people go to the "experience". They dont apply themselves and pick useless degrees, then wonder why they didnt get offered a good job.

If anything, college should be way harder than it is now. Its simply not for everyone and shouldnt be looked at like that.

What happens is it waters down everyones degree. Eventually a degree will be required for every job like ditch digging or burger flipping.

Look at places that provide free college like in europe. You would think everyone would be attending for a four year experience holiday but its quite the opposite. Its tough to get in to, you have to start planning when you enter high school. You have to take certain highly competitive classes that funnel you to your chosen field. Then they dont let you just take whatever stupid major you want, you get a choice of a few that they need. Sort of like military jobs. you dint just get whatever you go where they need people.

The curriculum is very difficult and they hold your feet to the fire. if you arent getting good grades they can cut you anytime because there is a long list of people who want your spot.

My Uncle went to college in the Navy. They sent him for free to kansas state as part of a commissioning program. They were on him day one for his grades and behavior, attendance you name it. Said they busted his ass for 4 solid years and never relented and made sure he got good grades. They knew there were other guys right behind him to take his place should he faulter. he said it was one of the most difficult things he ever had to do.

[Dan_S]

What if someone wants to go to an Ivy league school and said Ivy league is out of state? Good luck trying to transfer after 2 years to said school as well.

Also, statistically, the top 50 schools in the US have better outcomes than any other school. If you look at the data, the top 50 schools have significantly lower defaults on student loans and the number of defaults grow the lower the school rank is.

So essentially, it DOES matter what school you go to. Better connections, better experience etc.

If you just want a degree/piece of paper saying you went to college, then your idea is better.

I did hiring as a supervisor. I didn't care where anyone went to school. At all. If they included a degree on their resume and the position required a degree, I checked it off, but otherwise it's irrelevant.

Work experience matters significantly more than a degree, and coming across like you're able to learn new concepts in an interview is significantly more important than work experience.

[mezner09]

I’ve only interviewed one person in the last decade from an ivy and it was the most cringe interview hands down. I asked him to walk through this resume and he starts off talking about some “elite” high school he went to and then Ivy League, which “as you know, it’s a very prestigious school”. JFL, interview over after the first question.

The entitlement and ego was far too strong.

[D00R]

I truly believe this generation are autistic on the spectrum. They are all strange like npc’s. It’s like talking to someone who isn’t fully their or overly aggressively dumb.

[guest89]

What if someone wants to go to an Ivy league school and said Ivy league is out of state? Good luck trying to transfer after 2 years to said school as well.

Also, statistically, the top 50 schools in the US have better outcomes than any other school. If you look at the data, the top 50 schools have significantly lower defaults on student loans and the number of defaults grow the lower the school rank is.

So essentially, it DOES matter what school you go to. Better connections, better experience etc.

If you just want a degree/piece of paper saying you went to college, then your idea is better.

What you are most likely seeing is traditionally people that go to top 50 schools are either there on academic or athletic scholarships. Or come from a more well off family. These people are going to out-perform in life. In some cases it may make sense for a person to go to those schools for the prestige and networking with individuals at that school. But its really just dependent on that person as well.

A lot of people are borderline retarded these days. They study the wrong things in school. And they network with/are friends with other stupid people that aren't going anywhere in life. In their case an ivy league school won't help them at all. Especially if they go into debt for it.

I truly believe this generation are autistic on the spectrum. They are all strange like npc’s. It’s like talking to someone who isn’t fully their or overly aggressively dumb.

I honestly think a lot of them have been cucked by ****ty/inattentive parents that do not set them up for success. Along with too much social meida, video games, TV and feminist propaganda.

[TryingMen]

1. I agree going to an out of state school if you are not well off enough to afford it is irresponsible.

2. Community college for 2 years first is a gray area. For one thing if you get into a good university right from HS you defer and have to reapply hoping you'll get admitted again after 2 years of CC. Now you should be able to do this, but there's something to be said for getting in when you can too. Second, I think college is as much about making connections as it is finishing with a degree. Universities will offer more opportunities outside the classroom, whether that be social connections or resume padding events/internships. I would only do the CC route if you were really financially struggling.

3. Completely disagree about living at home. These are adults who need to be out on their own and yes that means there's more financial stress as a result but babying them at home until they are twenty f*cking two is a bad idea. Most 18 year olds don't have basic household management skills like cooking for themselves, grocery shopping, laundry, etc. You keep them at home mom and dad will continue doing these things and then they'll be even less competent when they get a real job than many of them already are with the benefits of living on their own during college years. You act like it's all about partying but there's a lot of growth they need to do that can't be done living with mom and dad.

4. You probably shouldn't ever pass up a scholarship, even if you get in to "better" schools. Truth is most of these schools offer the same exact sh*t and it's up to the individual to capitalize on the college experience. About the only advantage of an Ivy League over a state school is the possibility of better connections. The "education" itself is not worth it so unless you maximize the real advantage, but the vast majority do not. If you don't have the money to go to an Ivy League or out of state school this basically goes back to #1 in that you shouldn't. And you definitely shouldn't pass on a scholarship of any kind to go somewhere without one because you like it better, again under the assumption you're not well off and can make that trade.

[latverian41]

It all comes down to upbringing OP. I won't say it ALWAYS does cause there are rare exceptions but what you instill in your children amd how you lead by example is going to be the blueprint for the rest of their lives

Parents who fail their children are pure scum.

[SpeakethTruth]

1. I agree going to an out of state school if you are not well off enough to afford it is irresponsible.

2. Community college for 2 years first is a gray area. For one thing if you get into a good university right from HS you defer and have to reapply hoping you'll get admitted again after 2 years of CC. Now you should be able to do this, but there's something to be said for getting in when you can too. Second, I think college is as much about making connections as it is finishing with a degree. Universities will offer more opportunities outside the classroom, whether that be social connections or resume padding events/internships. I would only do the CC route if you were really financially struggling.

3. Completely disagree about living at home. These are adults who need to be out on their own and yes that means there's more financial stress as a result but babying them at home until they are twenty f*cking two is a bad idea. Most 18 year olds don't have basic household management skills like cooking for themselves, grocery shopping, laundry, etc. You keep them at home mom and dad will continue doing these things and then they'll be even less competent when they get a real job than many of them already are with the benefits of living on their own during college years. You act like it's all about partying but there's a lot of growth they need to do that can't be done living with mom and dad.

4. You probably shouldn't ever pass up a scholarship, even if you get in to "better" schools. Truth is most of these schools offer the same exact sh*t and it's up to the individual to capitalize on the college experience. About the only advantage of an Ivy League over a state school is the possibility of better connections. The "education" itself is not worth it so unless you maximize the real advantage, but the vast majority do not. If you don't have the money to go to an Ivy League or out of state school this basically goes back to #1 in that you shouldn't. And you definitely shouldn't pass on a scholarship of any kind to go somewhere without one because you like it better, again under the assumption you're not well off and can make that trade.

Neither do most adults. Just look at them. Their body is a reflection of their 'skills' in cooking and grocery shopping.

[TryingMen]

Neither do most adults. Just look at them. Their body is a reflection of their 'skills' in cooking and grocery shopping.

Sadly many never figure it out. But you've got to at least give them a chance and hope for the best.