Whey or Casein proten for cutting 10 pounds in a week?

[fred21]

Okay right now I am in the process of cutting 10 pounds in a week for a powerlifting meet. its been a day and right now im at 121 so i need to lose 7 more pounds in 6 days. Instead of eating a meal i heard that drinking a protein shake is better. Would whey or casein be better for this?

[endpoint]

Is it an important competition?
Is it a qualifier for anything?

[fred21]

Is it an important competition?
Is it a qualifier for anything?

yes it's very important because it's state and i have a good shot at doing very well at it if i can make the weight

[Crewpierce]

Okay right now I am in the process of cutting 10 pounds in a week for a powerlifting meet. its been a day and right now im at 121 so i need to lose 7 more pounds in 6 days. Instead of eating a meal i heard that drinking a protein shake is better. Would whey or casein be better for this?

You'll need a mix of the two for best results. Google V Diet if you really want to go the protein shake route.

[Torrtrefireto]

Casein's almost inedible taste would make me lean towards whey.


Unless you buy the bently of casein.

Overall, I doubt you'll see a different whichever you choose

[Torrtrefireto]

You'll need a mix of the two for best results. Google V Diet if you really want to go the protein shake route.

pubmed.gov
Find me a study that suggests that blending different protein sources will stimulate more anabolism, less catabolism, or better performance than whey alone.

[Blenderate]

I would like to go on record that cutting weight at your size and age is a bad idea.

That said, since you appear to have your mind set, it won't make much difference which protein you eat, but if you have the choice, casein may help you feel more satiated.

[Newbtime]

dairy products in general bloat you up and make you retain more water.

stick with stuff like chicken, fish, eggs and turkey for protein.

[TomMutaffis]

Read up on water manipulation (water/salt load & cut)...

I have cut over 15 lbs for a 24 hour weigh-in for a strongman meet in the past. My diet was mostly grilled chicken, natural peanut butter, and a lot of protein shakes. Supplements were Vitamin C and some Caffeine or Herbal Diuretics at the end.

In the past I have written a guide for Water Manipulation; let me know if you would like for me to post it here.

[Croaker]

A good cheap herbal diuretic is dandelion root. Its also minimally dangerous.

I wouldn't suggest doing anything extreme like potassium spiking, too many heart complications.

[brianchia]

I'll say it again: in a one week timeframe, w/ 24+ hr weigh in, you will lose more strength trying to cut 10lbs of fat than cutting 10lbs of water. The type of protein you choose is also irrelevant in this timeframe.

[Newbtime]

I'll say it again: in a one week timeframe, w/ 24+ hr weigh in, you will lose more strength trying to cut 10lbs of fat than cutting 10lbs of water. The type of protein you choose is also irrelevant in this timeframe.

It most certainly is not, dairy protein can make you retain more fluids.

The foods you eat in the last week can make a big difference.... not because of their caloric value but salt content etc....and how they make you retain water


some protein sources have fairly high salt content, some have very minimal.

Infact, its probably best to eat fatty calorie dense foods with minimal fiber the last day or two.... you want the calories with as little food weight as possible.

[TomMutaffis]

Here is a summary with some guidelines for a water manipulation program for the purpose of making weight for a strength sport event with a 24 hour weigh-in. Below I will post a more detailed and comprehensive breakdown with some examples.

You are going to start loading water on Monday if you are trying to make weight on Friday, starting distilled water on Wednesday. Generally you want to do 1.5 gallons Monday, 2 gallons Tuesday, 2.5 gallons Wednesday, and 2-3 gallons Thursday before cutting water. If you have fat burners (any kind) then start taking them on Wednesday or Thursday. Your food on Wednesday and Thursday should be mostly shakes and lean meat - so basically just protein, try to get in 1 gram per pound of bodyweight minimum. You also need to sleep at least 8-9 hours each night since this will be tough on your body. Use ZMA or melatonin if you can't sleep. Along with the water loading you are also going to load on salt on Monday/Tuesday and then cut the salt Tuesday night. Carbohydrates need to be low the entire time and cut out all dairy.

Your afternoon and night time weight will peak on this program but you will notice yourself losing about 5 lbs overnight. Once you cut water you'll lose about 10 lbs there... So if you're going to bed at 250 lbs then this program will put you at about 235 by itself. The last couple of pounds will be tough; I'm not going to lie to you. Milk of magnesia will completely empty your stomach and some guys will do that the last day before cutting water ? but this should be saved for extreme cases only.

I wouldn't do any actual cardio but if you want you can walk on the treadmill at 2.5 mph for 25 minutes - I do this and it will help you to lose a little bit and keep you active.

Thursday is the big day. You need to drink so much water that your stomach looks pregnant and load on protein shakes (good ones, not crap). You probably won't even want to eat really at all and that is fine. Thursday start the day chugging water then cut at lunch. Begin the water pills in the morning Thursday or Wednesday night if you want. Thursday afternoon start the fat burners (these might make you go to the bathroom also, which is good) take first dose at 3 and second dose at 6. Sleep as much as you can and take more water pills before traveling. This will keep you going to the bathroom. You're going to feel drained but you should be close on the weight when you arrive. Flying does throw things off but you should stabilize and might have to sweat off a pound or two. Sleep as much as you can on the travel if you are flying or someone else is driving and use as little energy as you can during the cut.

Once you make weight get pedialite immediately and just rehydrate on 2-3 quarts of that for first hour. Then try some light solid foods or gatorade cut with water. Add in something salty like chex mix and even creatine if you normally use it. Try to take a 1-2 hour nap in the afternoon then after that it's time to eat for real! Your body should be ready and this is the steak / pasta / etc.

This program will work, you'll be fine. The example program below from ?Competitor B? is the most simple and easy to follow.

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Ok, here is the full ?water manipulation handbook? that I have sent out to a couple of guys. Basically a compilation of information from myself and a couple of other competitors. All of whom have had some successful weight cuts for strongman competition of 10+ lbs within 24 hours. I will put it all into an article some time soon.

You should expect your night time weight to rise steadily when water loading, this is fine because it will flush quickly when you cut water as long as you are taking the right steps. What have you done so far? It is a little late to make drastic changes but today should be the day that you are drinking about 2-2.5 gallons of water. Distilled if you can do it.

As for foods ? you will want to limit yourself to low carbohydrate, low sodium, calorie dense foods. This can include protein bars, natural peanut butter (or unsalted peanuts), and boiled chicken breasts. Definitely no dairy or simple carbs.

Start taking vitamin C right away if you are not already and you should pick up some taraxatone or an herbal diuretic to have on hand as well (start Thursday).

Below is some good info to read through. If you can get yourself within about 3-4 lbs by the morning of the weigh in I can help you to lose the last couple lbs. I know how to set up an effective sauna in a hotel bathroom. I?m not going to sit in there with you but can make sure that you drop the weight.


From Competitor A:

Here's how I made weight:
2 weeks before the meet I cleaned up my diet. Watched my carbs, limited fats, etc. I started drinking more water and salting my food heavily to get my body to get accustomed to flushing excess fluids.

Monday thru Friday took 5grams vitamin c to help flush water

Monday: increase water to 1.5 gallons distilled, cut all sodium, drank some mag sulfate to help rid intestinal bulk.....after the mag sulfate only ate dense and easily digestible foods for the rest of the week

Tuesday: increased to 2 gallons distilled. Lots of protein every 2hrs and less than 150g carbs all day.

Wednesday: 2 gallons distilled again, same as Tuesday but less carbs

Thursday: 2.5 gallons distilled by 4pm, only food was 3 meals of salmon and protein shakes + peanut butter. Started taking taraxatone (naturally diuretic)
cut food at 2pm and cut water at 4pm, weighed 249 after cutting water

Friday: only drank enough water to take vitamin c and taraxatone. Weighed 242lbs upon waking and lost a lb every couple hours. Weighed 239 at 5pm so i started hitting the sauna. Did 2 rounds of 10 min with a couple layers of clothes on, came back to the gym and was still 4lbs over. Came back to the sauna at 6:30 with another guy who had to make weight and we sat 2x for 15min each with piles of clothes on. Came back and was .2 lbs over but still had 20 min so i went out to my truck and turned the heat on full blast. Weighed in at exactly 231 and then Willie let me know i could have been 231.5.

Immediately drank 1 quart pedialyte and a carbo force. Drank too fast got sick to my stomach. Drank another 3 quarts +3 more carbo forces in the next 2 hrs. Then made a box of pasta with some meat sauce and salted the hell out of it. Ate the whole box of pasta and had another half gallon of water with it. Went to bed weight 248. Woke up and had more water and a huge breakfast and showed up at the contest weighing 253lbs

Some additional info from Competitor A:

You lose 100grms of weight every hour just from breathing out water and from metabolism of calories. So water restriction for 10hrs nets 1kg or 2.2 lbs, so 24hrs of that will net you 5lbs......that?s without any sweating at all.. on the drive there you can bundle up with a couple layers of clothes and turn on the heat and get another couple pounds. For now keep up with the distilled water, you'll weigh heavy every night from all the water loading but when you do eventually cut water you'll be amazed and how quickly your weight will drop as long as you keep taking the vit c and taraxatone... Good luck and make sure you have a cooler ready with all your water and pedialyte.

This is something that I wrote for a guy who was a few pounds over about 3-4 days out from weigh in also:

Low carb, high protein, 1.5 gallons today, 2 gallons tomorrow, 2.5 gallons distilled on Thursday and cut water Thursday night at about 8 PM. Start taking taraxatone thursday afternoon and take a bunch before bed. You'll probably be waking up to pee a lot, and if you have a dream about peeing it probably means that you are wetting the bed - so during the dream try to wake up and find a toilet / sink / bathtub / bucket.

Thursday's food intake should be virtually zero carbs, only carbs allowed are those in natural peanut butter (you still need calories and this is a good source), and whatever trace amounts are in your whey protein shakes (3-4 shakes that day). The water in the shakes counts toward your total for the day.

My numbers are based on an early evening weigh-in on Friday. Check your weight Thursday before bed and don't worry if you are 15 lbs over. Check again in the morning, no cardio or sauna. Check mid-day at lunch time and if you are more than 4-5 lbs over still then that means you will need to sweat a little bit. Considering it is pretty cold out you may want to do the drive down in warm clothes with the heat on in the car. If you are over when we get there then find a sauna and you can easily drop 3-4 lbs in 1/2 hour.

The objective to be as low for as little amount of time as possible. Staying low for hours / days is what zaps your strength.

As others said - Pedialite (walmart brand is half the price), gatorade powder (dextrose), and some isopure or other tasty protein shakes immediately after weigh-in. About an hour later you should be ready for a meal. Salt your food and drink as much water as you can but don't get crazy with forcing it down. Have some more shakes and gatorade later on and maybe some fruit like bananas. You should go to bed at about the same weight that you did the night before.

Next day make sure you force yourself to poop before you go to the contest. You don't want to drop one during the deadlift or anything.

[TomMutaffis]

From Competitor B:

5g Vit C every day

Tues - 1.5 gal distilled water, 200 carbs

Wed - 2 gal distilled water, 150 carbs

Thurs - 2 gal distilled water, 75 carbs

Fri - 2.5 gals distilled water, 50 carbs, cut water at 6pm, start Taraxatone

Sat - snack on chicken + peanut butter until weigh-ins at 5:30pm

Rehydrate with 1 carbo force, 1 pedialyte mix w/ 1 Gatorade, Electrolyte enhanced water.....then eat pasta 1 hour later....then eat dinner 1 hour after that.


Last one, here is my latest program that I did for a same day weigh in?

Here is what I did because I wanted to drop 7-8 lbs but had to compete that same day so I would not have the normal amount of time to rehydrate. It was a bit tricky because this way does have you down lower for longer so there is a good chance that you will lose some strength. It was overall a crappy day at the contest but I felt like my conditioning and strength was at least OK, especially with all things considered (3 hour drive, water depletion, pouring rain and 36 degrees).

I did very low intensity cardio starting about a week out, and cleaned up my diet a bit (nothing fried, no deserts, etc) but I eat pretty healthy anyway. Kept the carbs high up until about Tuesday or Wednesday and cut them drastically to under 100 grams / day or so. Mostly just from MRP shakes, wraps, etc. I did some water manipulation but did a shortened version where I drank about a gallon and a half on Wednesday, 2 gallons on Thursday, and then about a gallon and a half by early Friday afternoon (which is when I cut water). Also added in stimulants on the last two days (hot rox) to flush out some water, generate a good poop, and keep me mentally alert and focused while restricting and dieting. I ate close to 1 lbs of lean ground beef each night to maintain strength. Other than that mostly protein shakes, and drinking all that water you shouldn?t be very hungry anyway. Stopped creatine on Monday or Tuesday as well. Slept in warm clothes Friday night because I wanted my weight to go under where I needed to be so that I could eat some breakfast. It worked and I was able to have a protein bar and couple of powerbar gel packs on the drive ? this was to prevent dehydration and give my body some fuel. Immediately after weigh in started pedialite, and had an energy drink before the event started. Kept up with the pedialite through the contest and finished about two quarts along with water and some other beverages.

If you want me to look at a specific program that you put together just let me know. These type of water / weight manipulation programs have been very successful for many top level powerlifters, one of the most notable being Matt Kroc (220 lbs class all time total record holder).

[DJSTARER]

OP: I do not see this ending well for you. If you wanted to compete at 114, you should have began the weight loss process 16+ weeks ago. If you manage to make weight, you'll be weak, cramp constantly, and unless you change you're attempts, run the risk of bombing.