Elite Fitness BS? "The Bodybuilding Truth" Nelson Montana?

[bradedwards]

I got an email from Elite Fitness (I don't know a lot about them, except that they take a very libertarian view of steroids)... it was advertising "The Bodybuilding Truth" by Nelson Montana.

Without buying the book, I'd like to ask you guys about the claims made the ad and see if you can tell me this is BS... or are there REALLY "secrets" about working out. I'll give a few of the points made in the ad, here, and look forward to your feedback:

* A simple modification to your bicep training. (It will give you bigger guns than you ever thought possible. And it's so simple!)

* A unique ab exercise that almost never appears in print. (No, it isn't a variation of a sit-up or leg raise. It's ten times more effective!)

* Want a great chest? (Forget about bench presses! Here's why.)

Article 1. A Different Abdominal Exercise for perfect abs.....REALLY!

Oh NO, you say! Not another ab article. You must be kidding. That's the stuff you find in those wimpy fitness mags, which have titles like "Trim Down and Tone Up By Summertime!" They're everywhere -- every month. You would think that nobody had ever heard of a sit up before. That's what it comes down to, you know. Every ab exercise out there is just a variation of the sit up or leg raise. That's the problem. And don't get Montana started on those ridiculous "abercisers" that attempt to circumvent the neck strain by providing a head rest that winds up pulling your head into an even more unnatural position. The abs are no fun to work and the slowest muscle to grow.

But, the abs are the "showpiece" of your body. You can be muscular beyond belief but if your abs are soft, to most people you're just a big fat guy. But someone with an average physique and killin' abs can look spectacular! The Bodybuilding Truth tells you the truth about how to train abs once and for all.

Article 2. Chest In Time -- Perfect Pecs In Just 20 Minutes a Week

For most bodybuilders, the chest responds faster and more favorably than any other body part. In other words, they're easy to "pump." At any rate, if the chest is so easily developed, why is it that so few people have great looking chests? We've all seen the guys with the big bunchy chest or the chest that bulges or hangs. This is the result of improper chest training. The pecs run across the top of the rib cage and should be slab-like in appearance -- wide, high and tight -- this requires even development. Since the pecs develop quickly, it shouldn't take more than one workout per week (approximately 20 minutes) to achieve perfect pecs. But training has to be done right. The Bodybuilding Truth explains how.

Article 3. Cooked Calves -- In Under 4 Minutes

How are your calves? Mine suck - and Montana's aren't so hot either. Actually, by normal people's standards, Montana's are pretty good. But by bodybuilding standards...well, let's just say that Dorian Yates wouldn't be intimidated by a toe-to-toe comparison. So what makes Montana qualified to write an article on calve training? Ironically, anyone with outstanding calve development is the last person to be giving advice on improving the lower leg. They're the ones who have it easy. That's because, more than any other muscle group, the size and shape of your calves is determined by heredity. People with a genetic disposition for shapely muscular calves need only to walk and their calves will look good. Bastards! For the rest of us mere mortals, it's almost impossibly hard. After years of trial and error, Montana finally found the secret to adding precious muscle tissue onto those stubborn calves. The Bodybuilding Truth explains how.

Article 4. Working Your Biceps To Their Fullest - The secret formula for loaded guns!

Everyone knows the appeal of the bicep muscle and its importance to one's overall appearance. Instead, let's get right to the point: Biceps training is probably the simplest form of all bodybuilding exercise, yet thousands of bodybuilders fail to stimulate bicep growth with ample success. There's a reason for that. There's also a solution. If you never seem to get a good bicep pump and would like to rectify the situation, get this. The standard bicep curl doesn't directly affect the bicep -- at least that's the case with most people. The Bodybuilding Truth explains how to pump the biceps so hard you'll feel it all week.

Article 5. Terrifying Traps -- How To Build Traps So Big They're Scary

Large and powerful traps are an awesome sight. Huge hulking trapeziuses are a statement. They exude power. You don't get hefty traps by playing sports. You get them by lifting weights! The Bodybuilding Truth contains an innovative trap routine, which is sure to pack on size and strength through the traps and upper back. And it explains all the ways to avoid the trap, traps that can hinder growth and strength gains.

Article 6. Ten Steps To Killer Quads (Load The Rod and Thrash The Quad)

It's leg day. You either dig in and accept the fact that in order to obtain more thigh size, you'll have to endure some pain, or you wimp out and "take it easy" - "work 'em light" -- do a "little bit." Any way you choose to rationalize the latter, it'll still spell the same result. No growth. Okay, so it's gonna hurt. But leg growth doesn't occur through pain alone. Training smart is just as important as training hard and when it comes to working the legs effectively, you may be shortchanging yourself out of optimum results. This can be the result of following erroneous advice or simply not taking advantage of some little known yet highly efficient quad building strategies. In The Bodybuilding Truth, Montana reveals ten strategies guaranteed to produce maximal growth in minimal time.

Article 7. Build Melon Sized Deltoids -- While Hardly Moving a Muscle

Everybody has a favorite body part that they love to show off. Short sleeves allow the world to see a muscular pair of arms. If someone's got great legs, there's a good chance you'll see them wearing short pants, long after the weather starts turning cold. Good abs? Open up that shirt! But even fully clothed, nothing depicts the image of masculine muscularity more than a broad set of shoulders. Without that classic "V" shape that a well-built set of delts provide, the other body parts will fail to impress. It all starts at the shoulders. But, as imperative as the shoulders may be to a bodybuilder's overall appearance, they are an often-misunderstood body part. Often neglected, and more often--over trained.

By adding just a half an inch onto the lateral head of each deltoid, the "width" of the shoulders will appear to increase dramatically. Incidentally, wide shoulders will also make the waist appear slimmer, further enhancing the complete package. So how do we properly stimulate deltoid growth while simultaneously avoiding over training? In The Bodybuilding Truth, Montana shows you how.

Article 8. Total Triceps Training -- The Secret to Becoming "Well Armed"

Nothing looks more impressive in its relaxed state than a meaty pair of triceps. When the arms are hanging loosely at the sides in a short-sleeved shirt, it's the triceps, which dictate the overall appearance. Novice trainers work the biceps to death in an effort to increase arm size. It makes more sense to emphasize tricep training since they comprise the majority of the arm's potential size. If the tris look good, your arms will look good. Montana's routine for training the traps shows you how to hit all three heads of the triceps and help you build bigger arms faster than you ever thought possible.

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So, those are some of the claims made... NO. I'M NOT ADVERTISING THE BOOK! In fact, if you can provide any spoilers that provide the answers to these outlandish claims, I'd like to hear your theories, publicly! Thanks.

[Lencho]

Without buying the book, I'd like to ask you guys about the claims made the ad and see if you can tell me this is BS... or are there REALLY "secrets" about working out. I'll give a few of the points made in the ad, here, and look forward to your feedback:

There are no secrets. The stuff you posted looks just like 1,000 other ads for books and programs that will "get you ripped in only 4 WEEKS!"

[Miketoc]

There are no secrets. The stuff you posted looks just like 1,000 other ads for books and programs that will "get you ripped in only 4 WEEKS!"

Yeah, my favorite part is the calves part. That's quality advertisement!

[Wildtim]

Elite isn't BS they cary a lot of really solid equipment and have a lot of good information on their site.

That book? Who knows? heres an excerpt from the bicep chapter

http://www.davedraper.com/nelson-montana-excerpt.html

[Lencho]

Elite isn't BS they cary a lot of really solid equipment and have a lot of good information on their site.

That book? Who knows? heres an excerpt from the bicep chapter

http://www.davedraper.com/nelson-montana-excerpt.html

I think you might be confusing Elite FTS with Elite Fitness. The stuff in the OP doesn't look like anything you'd find on Elite FTS, which is why I love that site so much.

[kitarpyar]

There are no secrets. The stuff you posted looks just like 1,000 other ads for books and programs that will "get you ripped in only 4 WEEKS!"

FAIL.

My book will get you rippedz in 4 DAYS. DAYs.. DAys...

[nithin23]

check this site,interesting. http://how2bodybuild.com

[jtlfive]

I got an email from Elite Fitness (I don't know a lot about them, except that they take a very libertarian view of steroids)... it was advertising "The Bodybuilding Truth" by Nelson Montana.

Without buying the book, I'd like to ask you guys about the claims made the ad and see if you can tell me this is BS... or are there REALLY "secrets" about working out. I'll give a few of the points made in the ad, here, and look forward to your feedback:

* A simple modification to your bicep training. (It will give you bigger guns than you ever thought possible. And it's so simple!)

* A unique ab exercise that almost never appears in print. (No, it isn't a variation of a sit-up or leg raise. It's ten times more effective!)

* Want a great chest? (Forget about bench presses! Here's why.)

Article 1. A Different Abdominal Exercise for perfect abs.....REALLY!

Oh NO, you say! Not another ab article. You must be kidding. That's the stuff you find in those wimpy fitness mags, which have titles like "Trim Down and Tone Up By Summertime!" They're everywhere -- every month. You would think that nobody had ever heard of a sit up before. That's what it comes down to, you know. Every ab exercise out there is just a variation of the sit up or leg raise. That's the problem. And don't get Montana started on those ridiculous "abercisers" that attempt to circumvent the neck strain by providing a head rest that winds up pulling your head into an even more unnatural position. The abs are no fun to work and the slowest muscle to grow.

But, the abs are the "showpiece" of your body. You can be muscular beyond belief but if your abs are soft, to most people you're just a big fat guy. But someone with an average physique and killin' abs can look spectacular! The Bodybuilding Truth tells you the truth about how to train abs once and for all.

Article 2. Chest In Time -- Perfect Pecs In Just 20 Minutes a Week

For most bodybuilders, the chest responds faster and more favorably than any other body part. In other words, they're easy to "pump." At any rate, if the chest is so easily developed, why is it that so few people have great looking chests? We've all seen the guys with the big bunchy chest or the chest that bulges or hangs. This is the result of improper chest training. The pecs run across the top of the rib cage and should be slab-like in appearance -- wide, high and tight -- this requires even development. Since the pecs develop quickly, it shouldn't take more than one workout per week (approximately 20 minutes) to achieve perfect pecs. But training has to be done right. The Bodybuilding Truth explains how.

Article 3. Cooked Calves -- In Under 4 Minutes

How are your calves? Mine suck - and Montana's aren't so hot either. Actually, by normal people's standards, Montana's are pretty good. But by bodybuilding standards...well, let's just say that Dorian Yates wouldn't be intimidated by a toe-to-toe comparison. So what makes Montana qualified to write an article on calve training? Ironically, anyone with outstanding calve development is the last person to be giving advice on improving the lower leg. They're the ones who have it easy. That's because, more than any other muscle group, the size and shape of your calves is determined by heredity. People with a genetic disposition for shapely muscular calves need only to walk and their calves will look good. Bastards! For the rest of us mere mortals, it's almost impossibly hard. After years of trial and error, Montana finally found the secret to adding precious muscle tissue onto those stubborn calves. The Bodybuilding Truth explains how.

Article 4. Working Your Biceps To Their Fullest - The secret formula for loaded guns!

Everyone knows the appeal of the bicep muscle and its importance to one's overall appearance. Instead, let's get right to the point: Biceps training is probably the simplest form of all bodybuilding exercise, yet thousands of bodybuilders fail to stimulate bicep growth with ample success. There's a reason for that. There's also a solution. If you never seem to get a good bicep pump and would like to rectify the situation, get this. The standard bicep curl doesn't directly affect the bicep -- at least that's the case with most people. The Bodybuilding Truth explains how to pump the biceps so hard you'll feel it all week.

Article 5. Terrifying Traps -- How To Build Traps So Big They're Scary

Large and powerful traps are an awesome sight. Huge hulking trapeziuses are a statement. They exude power. You don't get hefty traps by playing sports. You get them by lifting weights! The Bodybuilding Truth contains an innovative trap routine, which is sure to pack on size and strength through the traps and upper back. And it explains all the ways to avoid the trap, traps that can hinder growth and strength gains.

Article 6. Ten Steps To Killer Quads (Load The Rod and Thrash The Quad)

It's leg day. You either dig in and accept the fact that in order to obtain more thigh size, you'll have to endure some pain, or you wimp out and "take it easy" - "work 'em light" -- do a "little bit." Any way you choose to rationalize the latter, it'll still spell the same result. No growth. Okay, so it's gonna hurt. But leg growth doesn't occur through pain alone. Training smart is just as important as training hard and when it comes to working the legs effectively, you may be shortchanging yourself out of optimum results. This can be the result of following erroneous advice or simply not taking advantage of some little known yet highly efficient quad building strategies. In The Bodybuilding Truth, Montana reveals ten strategies guaranteed to produce maximal growth in minimal time.

Article 7. Build Melon Sized Deltoids -- While Hardly Moving a Muscle

Everybody has a favorite body part that they love to show off. Short sleeves allow the world to see a muscular pair of arms. If someone's got great legs, there's a good chance you'll see them wearing short pants, long after the weather starts turning cold. Good abs? Open up that shirt! But even fully clothed, nothing depicts the image of masculine muscularity more than a broad set of shoulders. Without that classic "V" shape that a well-built set of delts provide, the other body parts will fail to impress. It all starts at the shoulders. But, as imperative as the shoulders may be to a bodybuilder's overall appearance, they are an often-misunderstood body part. Often neglected, and more often--over trained.

By adding just a half an inch onto the lateral head of each deltoid, the "width" of the shoulders will appear to increase dramatically. Incidentally, wide shoulders will also make the waist appear slimmer, further enhancing the complete package. So how do we properly stimulate deltoid growth while simultaneously avoiding over training? In The Bodybuilding Truth, Montana shows you how.

Article 8. Total Triceps Training -- The Secret to Becoming "Well Armed"

Nothing looks more impressive in its relaxed state than a meaty pair of triceps. When the arms are hanging loosely at the sides in a short-sleeved shirt, it's the triceps, which dictate the overall appearance. Novice trainers work the biceps to death in an effort to increase arm size. It makes more sense to emphasize tricep training since they comprise the majority of the arm's potential size. If the tris look good, your arms will look good. Montana's routine for training the traps shows you how to hit all three heads of the triceps and help you build bigger arms faster than you ever thought possible.

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So, those are some of the claims made... NO. I'M NOT ADVERTISING THE BOOK! In fact, if you can provide any spoilers that provide the answers to these outlandish claims, I'd like to hear your theories, publicly! Thanks.

The truth is Nelson Montana's advice is probably the best or in the top three of people who help many of us that train. He explains his reasons for what you were used to hearing and believed and what is the truth. For example the calves: He tells you why, the type of muscle, the constant repetetions through out the day etc: I have gained inches-4-6, in 6 weeks and for example, I use a few calf excercises, my seated calf with both legs went from 180 lbs to 290 lbs.

The ab work out is exactly like it said it is, brutal. I showed guys in the gym and they couldn't do any reps or only a couple. I, train my abs hard, hanging leg raises with a 35 lb medicine ball, inverted crunches with a 45 lb plate, etc: These things were tough and I could do my ten but I now do them all the time. Like anything new the coordination takes a little time, a week or two, but once you have it these are great.

I did the biceps workout as he instructed, twice a week for four weeks, and bang 1.75 inches and growing. I also incorporated his triceps workout on my own for balance and the tri's are two thirds of your arm size.

If you want I could go on. 99.99% of the training techniques have to do with the sale of some product about to hit the market. I won't tell you to buy or not buy anything. Nelson Montana's the real thing.

Elite is also a good source of information and the chat rooms are good. They are in this to make money and I do not begrudge anybody for doing that. I don't believe in "You didn't build that" philosophy. I will not begrudge anyone making money and putting out a good product.

The claims are not out landish!

[Jasonk282]

I'll tell you the secret for free.

Consistency

[MichaelCJ]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jasonk282 again."

But yeah, dat dere post. ^^^

[ironwill2008]

I did the biceps workout as he instructed, twice a week for four weeks, and bang 1.75 inches and growing. I also incorporated his triceps workout on my own for balance and the tri's are two thirds of your arm size.

If you want I could go on.

Pics are worth a lot more than mere words, especially on a bodybuilding site. Anyone can post that they added nearly 2" to their arms in 4 weeks, but without actual pics, everybody knows it's just bull****.

Instead of "going on" post a few pics of yourself and the development you've attained from using the advices you mention.

[Jasonk282]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jasonk282 again."

But yeah, dat dere post. ^^^

Spread it around you wh0re...

[TheEnigmaOfLife]

The truth is Nelson Montana's advice is probably the best or in the top three of people who help many of us that train. He explains his reasons for what you were used to hearing and believed and what is the truth. For example the calves: He tells you why, the type of muscle, the constant repetetions through out the day etc: I have gained inches-4-6, in 6 weeks and for example, I use a few calf excercises, my seated calf with both legs went from 180 lbs to 290 lbs.

The ab work out is exactly like it said it is, brutal. I showed guys in the gym and they couldn't do any reps or only a couple. I, train my abs hard, hanging leg raises with a 35 lb medicine ball, inverted crunches with a 45 lb plate, etc: These things were tough and I could do my ten but I now do them all the time. Like anything new the coordination takes a little time, a week or two, but once you have it these are great.

I did the biceps workout as he instructed, twice a week for four weeks, and bang 1.75 inches and growing. I also incorporated his triceps workout on my own for balance and the tri's are two thirds of your arm size.

If you want I could go on. 99.99% of the training techniques have to do with the sale of some product about to hit the market. I won't tell you to buy or not buy anything. Nelson Montana's the real thing.

Elite is also a good source of information and the chat rooms are good. They are in this to make money and I do not begrudge anybody for doing that. I don't believe in "You didn't build that" philosophy. I will not begrudge anyone making money and putting out a good product.

The claims are not out landish!

Hmmm... No pics and only one post? You must be the pinnacle of male evolution and the master of everything that is righteous and true on these here bodybuilding forums.

[CamLeslie]

Hmmm... No pics and only one post? You must be the pinnacle of male evolution and the master of everything that is righteous and true on these here bodybuilding forums.

Lawlz. Repped, just for audacity of making this claim with only 19 posts.

[Rehz]

Sorry to make anyone butt hurt but there are no secrets.

I think this pains people cause they think "HEY!! I now have the upper hand at building muscle/losing fat. I can do it so much faster now that I have [insert mega super fast secret real truth bodybuilding book]."

The truth is already in your face. Face it. You need to workout. You need to workout intensely, you need to workout frequently (more than 3 days a week), you need to do enough volume, you need to eat eat eat until you are blue in the face, you need to sleep AT LEAST 8 HOURS, you need patience and determination.

HOW BAD DO YOU WANT IT? That is the real question...reading stupid books like this sometimes furthers you from your goals. Being true and consistent to your diet, your training, and your sleep is what is the non secret obvious truth.

But that is difficult and people would rather read a book.

[Jasonk282]

Sorry to make anyone butt hurt but there are no secrets.

I think this pains people cause they think "HEY!! I now have the upper hand at building muscle/losing fat. I can do it so much faster now that I have [insert mega super fast secret real truth bodybuilding book]."

The truth is already in your face. Face it. You need to workout. You need to workout intensely, you need to workout frequently (more than 3 days a week), you need to do enough volume, you need to eat eat eat until you are blue in the face, you need to sleep AT LEAST 8 HOURS, you need patience and determination.

HOW BAD DO YOU WANT IT? That is the real question...reading stupid books like this sometimes furthers you from your goals. Being true and consistent to your diet, your training, and your sleep is what is the non secret obvious truth.

But that is difficult and people would rather read a book.

You don't NEED to work out more than 3x a week. You don't NEED to eat, eat and eat till your are blue in the face(especially if you are cutting). All you NEED is hard work and consistency.

[Rehz]

You don't NEED to work out more than 3x a week. You don't NEED to eat, eat and eat till your are blue in the face(especially if you are cutting). All you NEED is hard work and consistency.

Like I said, depends on how bad you want it. If you are working out 5 days a week intensely...you WILL need to eat alot more. Your eating and training complement eachother.

[Jasonk282]

Like I said, depends on how bad you want it. If you are working out 5 days a week intensely...you WILL need to eat alot more. Your eating and training complement eachother.

If your training is that intense, by % of 1Rm, you won't be able to go 5 days a week.. hence why the majority of strength routines are 3-4 days a week.

[Rehz]

If your training is that intense, by % of 1Rm, you won't be able to go 5 days a week.. hence why the majority of strength routines are 3-4 days a week.

Alot of internet message boards routines are complete garbage imo. The recommendations that I see are either for strength or a very slow bulk. Also as you train with 5 days a week you are not training the same muscle 5x per week, the intensity at the beginning of each workout will be high and it will diminish as the workout goes on.

[jtlfive]

Yeah, my favorite part is the calves part. That's quality advertisement!

Hi Mike, I'm 6'3" around 243-247 with a waste of 35-36 depending on the tailor. I am a mesomorph for the most part but in my family calves are much slower to follow the rest of the body. I threw away all the old calf routines and switched my routine to Montana's calf routine. Sat on the donkey calf, got to a steady 180-225 pounds, lifted with both legs and removed one and went, usually or something similar 25, 22, 18,14,12 or 7 and 5. My strength and my gastrocs and soleus became really defined I went up 2.5 to 3.5 inches. I can't expalain the differnce. maybe dehydration. It does work. Now I take all the measurements and photos and put the on a memory stick. I lost the pphotos I had on my computer that crashed but they say I may be able to get it back but at a cost.

As for the abs, I was pleasantly surprised. My whole life I boxed, kiked, boxed, grappled but my main ab work out was has hanging legs raises, in arm supports with a medicine ball between 15 and 35 pounds. I would would isolate and work the obliques and tranverses with intense routines that had a 2 second crunch and hold at the contraction, on both sides of course, and the same with abdominals with front contractions and a 2 second contractions and hold at the the top and slow full extension.

When I tried the Montana sit ups I was able to do 8. I quickly was able to get up to 30 and 50. I had a group of guys from the gym who did all types of ab work outs and considered their ab routine exceptional, as you to think it was, but out of 28 guys only one guy could do one strict sit up and another 2. The tendency was to push the feet out side ways and out in front along with jerking movements. Allot of these guys can do these sit ups but they are brutal and they will burn. So, yes to the sit ups as well. My ab work out allowed me to jump up so fast ws because it also relied much less on the supplementing muscles.

[jtlfive]

Alot of internet message boards routines are complete garbage imo. The recommendations that I see are either for strength or a very slow bulk. Also as you train with 5 days a week you are not training the same muscle 5x per week, the intensity at the beginning of each workout will be high and it will diminish as the workout goes on.

The reason is unless your juicing, your muscles need 72-96 hours to repair. If you train anymore than that, even if you feel good in most cases you may diminish results.You can train the muscles every 5 days if you feel up to it but listen to your body not your mind or ego. To help with the diminishing work out you could be drinking BCAAs which help a little but mostly stop a catabolic state from existing. The muscles also need their ATP increased after each set. When you begin a set, the first 5-7 seconds, you will first burn ATP(adenosine triphosphate) as fuel, which will turn into into adenosine diphosphate, then you will start to burn glucose and some creatine(debatable) 7-9 seconds, then it goes to other available sugars and then fat. The if you keep going as marathoners do, you start burning proteins, muscle tissue, due to the lack of ATP, Glucose, other sugars and starches, fats and then the slow burning protein. It takes the body about 4 minutes to replenish the ATP. But if you are taking creatine, which you can take prior or with your BCAAs, The Adenosone Triphosphate you burnt up in the first 5-7 seconds, then converted to Adenosine diphosphate will immediately convert back to ATP Adenosine Triphosphate and fuel for your muscles. This will help your work out. But watch out, some people get cramps from Creatine monohydrate so you may want to try a different blend and you will notice a pump from the creatine. That is the creatine pumping critical energy producing chemicals/fluids into your cells. Most guys like the pump. One more thing I and allot of my freinds noticed the creatine didn't increase strength but increased reps. Foe example. Your bench max is 300 for one rep you could do 2-3. Curling you were working with 50 pounds and maxing at 7-8 now 9-10.