Best physique - Jay Cutler or Lee Haney?

[liamcarter]

lol yeah i meant Vince Taylor not Quincy Taylor sorry

LOL!...i thought u was seeing something that i wasnt

[liamcarter]

i find it funny that jay cutler showed up in his best conditioned and still had back wrinkles.

hmm i just dont think that can be helped...maybe its cause over the years hes gotten upto a heavy off season wieght that (for him) has stretched the skin more in that particular area

[wala]

Must be a troll who started this thread.

Quite possible yes.. or he was sick of the stomp pic and used some original pics.

[Everylastone]

I'm a fan of Jay more.

[stealth_swimmer]

There is a reason why Lee won 8 in a row.....

cus he faced different competitors...



Some of the "logic" thrown around in these kinds of threads is pure nonsense.

That being said, I say Haney's got the better physique. More aesthetic but doesn't give up tons of size and of course also had a great back.

[stealth_swimmer]

Haney. Cutler is a freak, but he's always been a hit or miss at show time, and his first 2 wins were against lesser competition than Haney faced. Of course, as other's have pointed out, it's hard to compare eras.

Actually, no he hasn't. He's been off like 4 times in his entire career. The 07 and 08 Olympias, the last Arnold Classic he won(and not off by much, just a bit flat), and that time Dexter beat him at one of the smaller shows.

[wala]

Actually, no he hasn't. He's been off like 4 times in his entire career. The 07 and 08 Olympias, the last Arnold Classic he won(and not off by much, just a bit flat), and that time Dexter beat him at one of the smaller shows.

Haha, I think its funny how people say Jay is hit and miss just because he came to 2 Olympias not in the best condition.

[NeoSeminole]

Not even close. Haney > Jay

[Reisinger850]

Wow every thread when Haney pictures are posted makes me realize how boring and uninteresting I find his physique.

[BEEFYCAKY]

Yeah, because you're 21 and haven't seen pics under 10 mpixels yet.

[lancs_hotpot]

Not even close. Haney > Jay

Jay looked absolutely awsome this year, best hes ever looked, but if Haney stood next to him in the front double bi Jay would look awful. Not sayin that alone makes Haney better but that waist is phenomenal for a big guy.

[Reisinger850]

but that waist is phenomenal for a big guy.

I don't know if Haney could be considered a "big guy" to be honest...

[Black Hercules]

I don't know if Haney could be considered a "big guy" to be honest...

Being 5'11" and competing at 240 lbs qualifies you for big guy status.

[KevinSorbo]

Being 5'11" and competing at 240 lbs qualifies you for big guy status.

Not in today's bodybuilding terms. He would look small next to Cutler.

[Black Hercules]

Not in today's bodybuilding terms. He would look small next to Cutler.

Arnold was 6'1" and he competed at 240. Would Jay's shrimpy 5'9" ass make him look small too?

[KevinSorbo]

Arnold was 6'1" and he competed at 240. Would Jay's shrimpy 5'9" ass make him look small too?

Arnold was 6'2, and yea Jay would make him look pretty small considering he was 20 pounds heavier and 5 inches shorter. He would look just massive next to Arnold and Haney. lol @ you saying the 3- time Mr. Olympia is "shrimpy"

[Black Hercules]

Arnold was 6'2, and yea Jay would make him look pretty small considering he was 20 pounds heavier and 5 inches shorter. He would look just massive next to Arnold and Haney. lol @ you saying the 3- time Mr. Olympia is "shrimpy"

Please.

Jay easily outweighs Dexter by 20 lbs and doesn't blow him out of the water.

The problem with a lot of you youngsters is you think bodybuilding is all about size, and fail to factor in the other essentials like shape, symmetry, and proportion.

[Hardcore Natural]

Taking into consideration that Haney is from a past era of bodybuilders where technology, supplementation etc., were not where it is today, Haney has 8 Olympia wins, whereas Jay has 3. Simple logic tells us that Haney > Jay...at least at this point.

As well, obviously Ronnie is tied with Haney for greatness.

Whether or not one likes Jay's, Ronnie's or Haney's body the best is subjective and is simply opinion, which is going to vary from person to person.

In my opinion, Ronnie has produced the greatest physique of all time to date...just my opinion though.

[KevinSorbo]

Please.

Jay easily outweighs Dexter by 20 lbs and doesn't blow him out of the water.

The problem with a lot of you youngsters is you think bodybuilding is all about size, and fail to factor in the other essentials like shape, symmetry, and proportion.

LOL, Dex is also 2-3 inches shorter than Jay. Now imagine Dex's weight on someone 5'11 like Haney, or 6'2 like Arnold. Even with Dex being short he is very outmassed by a superior Jay. Jay would make Haney and Arnold look quite small. And its not just size, Jay had the best conditioning in the show aside from Branch. His shape is good, and he has improved his symmetry, no one is perfect.






Yep.

Taking into consideration that Haney is from a past era of bodybuilders where technology, supplementation etc., were not where it is today, Haney has 8 Olympia wins, whereas Jay has 3. Simple logic tells us that Haney > Jay...at least at this point.

As well, obviously Ronnie is tied with Haney for greatness.

Whether or not one likes Jay's, Ronnie's or Haney's body the best is subjective and is simply opinion, which is going to vary from person to person.

In my opinion, Ronnie has produced the greatest physique of all time to date...just my opinion though.

actually no, the thread is nothing about who was more dominant, or who won more Sandows. It is talking about the physique. So taking the two side by side, Jay would win. More size and better conditioning.

[samurai_mart]

I personally don't like Cutler's physique. So I voted for Haney.

[Flex500]

I personally don't like Cutler's physique. So I voted for Haney.

haney would wipe the floor with cutler virtually every year except this past one and in 2001. I would say those would be a toss up with the edge going to jay.

[Hardcore Natural]

actually no, the thread is nothing about who was more dominant, or who won more Sandows. It is talking about the physique. So taking the two side by side, Jay would win. More size and better conditioning.

Well, that is YOUR opinion. I think Haney would win...better waist line, better flow, better X-frame and taper, plus awesome conditioning. Better overall physique. Again, that is just my opinion.

And just for the record...the reason why Haney and Ronnie have won 8 Olympias is BECAUSE they both had the BEST physiques during their era. BEST PHYSIQUE = MOST SANDOWS WON...it's simple math...so my previous post has merit.

[Reisinger850]

Well, that is YOUR opinion. I think Haney would win...better waist line, better flow, better X-frame and taper, plus awesome conditioning. Better overall physique. Again, that is just my opinion.

And just for the record...the reason why Haney and Ronnie have won 8 Olympias is BECAUSE they both had the BEST physiques during their era. BEST PHYSIQUE = MOST SANDOWS WON...it's simple math...so my previous post has merit.

One could think that you put Haney on the same level than Coleman... Sandows don't always say it all, just look at Cutler 2007 or Haney's relatively weak competition...

[captainhorseboy]

haney is only like 5 years older than ronnie

kind of interesting to think

[Reisinger850]

haney is only like 5 years older than ronnie

kind of interesting to think

x2, so much for the whole "another generation" discussion...

[John Doe X]

Just for starters:

Aside from Ronnie Coleman.....

Kevin Levrone
Shawn Ray
Chris Cormier
Dexter Jackson
Nasser El sonbaty
Melvin Anthony
Markus Ruhl
Gunter Schlierkamp
Dennis James
Lee Priest

Just a legendary as any you listed from Lee Haney's era.

I wouldn't have said that Jay has beaten a stellar field by any means

Going by the Mr O only

Jay became competitive from the 2001 Olympia onwards


Kevin Levrone-
Was at his best from 92 to late 90's. Only competed against Levrone twice from 2001 onwards, beating him by 1 place in 2001, and in 2003- Levrone's worst Mr O perfromance due to a torn tricep shortly before the contest.

Shawn Ray-
Prime was during the 90's. Retired in 2001, following 4th place.

Chris Cormier - Only competed against each other 3 times in the Olympia post 2001. Although squared off in the Arnold classic on a number of occassions

Dexter Jackson

Nasser El sonbaty-
Nasser was well past his prime when Cutler became competitive in 2001. Nasser got 9th in 2001, and 15th in 2002 his last Mr Olympia

Melvin Anthony- legend?

Markus Ruhl-
fan favourite, but has by no means a great competitive record, certainly not legend status

Gunter Schlierkamp- legend?

Dennis James- by no means a great competitive record, highlight 4th in 2003 Mr O

Lee Priest- Only competed once post 2001, and Lee came 15th in the 2003 Mr O.


I'm not necessarily saying that Jay couldn't have beaten some off those listed above or hasn't, but it's not great competition.

Dexter, and Cormier- yes.
Levrone, Ray, Nasser- never competed during their respective primes.
Anthony, Ruhl, Schlierkamp, James, and Priest- not the greatest of competitors, certainly not legends

[xpeterx]

Please.

Jay easily outweighs Dexter by 20 lbs and doesn't blow him out of the water.

The problem with a lot of you youngsters is you think bodybuilding is all about size, and fail to factor in the other essentials like shape, symmetry, and proportion.

And Dex is what, 4 inches shorter than Haney and they weigh around the same (correct me if I?m wrong on this). And to the person who said something about Jay having a gut, come on! Show me another 260 lbs + bbler under 6" with such an excellent stomach control as Jay...

[John Doe X]

And Dex is what, 4 inches shorter than Haney and they weigh around the same (correct me if I?m wrong on this). And to the person who said something about Jay having a gut, come on! Show me another 260 lbs + bbler under 6" with such an excellent stomach control as Jay...

Dexter claims to be 240-245 or something, but most people believe that Dex is the biggest liar when it comes to his weight. He refused to attend a compulsory weigh in at the 2005? ironman. Shawn Perine, a senior flex writer puts Dex no more than 225 tops

[brwnbear]

Kinda strange how the two mostwinning olmpians of all time have allmost the same physique and lines. Haney looks like a smaller Coleman.

Also, I think Lee Haney is not admired enough around here. Winning 8 straight olympias and never lost. Could probably set the bar for the record even higher, to maybe 10.

no wonder you're in the red. you showed opposition to jay in the most NOWjaynuthugging forum on the web. sorry bro. yes lee haney is the better physique

[brwnbear]

x2, so much for the whole "another generation" discussion...

well keep in mind...

Lee Haney started his olympia reign at 25, ronnie didn't start his till he was 34.