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    Originally Posted by Thelonebadwolf View Post
    Lets get some data on which worked better vaccines in the 20th century...or thoughts and prayers during the Dark Ages.
    Lots of people died during that period, but here and now, white Europeans are the most resilient race on the planet, largely (or wholly) due to this period in history. It was so disgusting and filthy and disease was so rampant that those able to tough it out ended up passing that resilience along.

    But, to your point, yes you are absolutely correct. Leeches, thoughts and prayers didn't do the trick. While the human immune system is a pretty powerful thing and I do think it should be left to deal with many problems (strep throat? Wtf, deal with it and get tougher in the process), there are plenty of diseases that are going to have a high fatality rate and those should be dealt with using modern medicine and/or vaccination.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    They hand out flu shots like candy, seriously just have tables set up and run people through like an assembly line. I've never got that one so I don't know what you have to show/prove but seems entirely plausible that they don't keep records.
    They're free if you show proof of insurance. I'm sure you have to fill out forms to get a shot, so they can keep immunization records on file. If not, you still have to check in at the kiosk. I'm guessing there's a zero chance they give out shots without having a record of it. I got my dad one at a walgreens or something and he had to fill out a consent form, iirc.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Haha, what a weak human being. No exercise for immmune system, runs to big daddy government for protection LOL
    It's more about exposure. You ever take international flights during flu season, get stuck near someone coughing and sneezing the whole way. I do avoid kids as much as possible.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    They're free if you show proof of insurance.
    Wait, so magical vaccine fairies create them out of thin air? Or, by free you mean, we all pay for them, something to the tune of between $150-200 a shot, whenever anyone gets one?

    Of those two scenarios, which do you think is a better representation of reality?
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    - Hey bro, I can sell you this shot here, if you take it you are less likely to sneeze a couple of times, but you might get seriously f*cked up.
    - Sure, sounds great!


    Me: wtf??? ^^^

    The first two retards: you’re wrong! Get the shot! It’s best for you! All medical science carries risk! You’re Alex jones conspiracy nut!

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    Idiot. Obviously you've never heard the saying "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
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    Originally Posted by JUSA View Post
    Lots of people died during that period, but here and now, white Europeans are the most resilient race on the planet, largely (or wholly) due to this period in history. It was so disgusting and filthy and disease was so rampant that those able to tough it out ended up passing that resilience along.

    But, to your point, yes you are absolutely correct. Leeches, thoughts and prayers didn't do the trick. While the human immune system is a pretty powerful thing and I do think it should be left to deal with many problems (strep throat? Wtf, deal with it and get tougher in the process), there are plenty of diseases that are going to have a high fatality rate and those should be dealt with using modern medicine and/or vaccination.
    I dont know what the point of bringing up race in this thread is.

    The same can be said for the Spanish flu, polio, Pertussis, Measles, Diptheria etc.

    Do people in this thread know just how many kids were dying of Diptheria and Pertussis back then?

    An anecdotal side effect story (which most forms of medicine east or west have) while unfortunate does not discredit millions of cases of successes.

    See smallpox and how its basically gone from the world due to careful procedures to limit it.

    One of the only good reports I've seen from VICE showed how the last place on earth with polio is the Islamist strongholds of Pakistan and how women who try to vaccinate kids there get killed by Islamist dudes who think the polio vaccine is an Israeli ploy to poison Muslims. This the type of people antivaxxers associate themselves with
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    Idiot. Obviously you've never heard the saying "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    If you get one, that’s good exercise for immune system. If you don’t get one your immune system is strong.

    Logic isn’t strong with you brah. Get the logic shot too! I’m sure one exists. If not propose one to Phizer or whatever. You need the shots bro!
    - You get the flu, you are sick as a dog, your body makes flu antibodies, next time you come in contact with that strain of flu you don't get sick.
    - You get the flu vaccine, you don't get sick at all, your body has the flu antibodies, next time you come in contact with that strain of flu you don't get sick.

    In other words, you get the same exact result, one by getting sick, the other by not getting sick. But people who get it done by not getting sick are the stupid ones. Cool story bro.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Cvs doesn't keep records of people who get a flu shot at their pharmacy? Story seems a lil suspect.
    Surely they must. I temporarily worked at Walgreens as a pharmacy technician and even we kept vaccination records for 2 years on-site. Then they were placed in a box and sent to an off site warehouse for storage for an additional 5 years.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Haha, what a weak human being. No exercise for immmune system, runs to big daddy government for protection LOL
    There are people with legitimate immunodefficiency conditions that cannott handle vaccinations that rely on herd immunity to not get sick. What about them?
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Polio was on the way down before vaccines. Vaccines did not even speed up the down trend. Even the polio vaccine guy said so too. Research before you parrot what you heard on CNN.
    Hm I never heard this, can I get a source? From all accounts, viruses dont just "vanish" overtime unless there is direct intervention, and nothing had been done to combat polio until the vaccine was invented by Salk.
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    Originally Posted by latverian41 View Post
    This.

    The human race got along fine before these vaccines
    Lol no they didnt, they died in mass numbers. It was only until the advent of vaccines and antibiotics that people started living longer which caused our population boom.
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    There are people with legitimate immunodefficiency conditions that cannott handle vaccinations that rely on herd immunity to not get sick. What about them?
    Never thought of that, good point. Repped.
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    I'm not an anti-vaxxer...i got a few vaxxes before i went to thailand last year but i never get the flu shot. last year it was only 16% effective IFFC. I'm up to date on all my other immunizations though.
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    There are people with legitimate immunodefficiency conditions that cannott handle vaccinations that rely on herd immunity to not get sick. What about them?
    This is my biggest reason for getting one, as well as having a young son who would obviously not fare as well as I would if he were to get the flu. Is there still a chance either of us could get it? Yeah, but I'd still rather lower that risk.

    It's unfortunate what happened, but the Vaccine Injury Fund exists for cases like this. I know that's nothing compared to permanent paralysis, but the risks are there and available for everyone to research.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    Except the hundreds of millions of people who died of smallpox before it was eradicated. Just one example.

    This is really caveman level thinking.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    If you get one, that’s good exercise for immune system. If you don’t get one your immune system is strong.

    Logic isn’t strong with you brah. Get the logic shot too! I’m sure one exists. If not propose one to Phizer or whatever. You need the shots bro!
    Except thats not how the immune system or vaccines work at all...The most vaccines will give you attenuated or pieces of the virus/bacteria in question. This allows your immune system to recognize the disease and will be able to produce antibodies. Literally the exact same thing being infected with the flu will cause your immune system to do without the side effects of having the flu.

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    Last year, there was a woman who was supposedly paralyze by a flu vaccine.

    Turns out, she was faking it and anti-vax groups were made to look like the idiots they are. I bet this woman is faking, too. There's no ingredients in a flu vaccine that could cause paralysis.

    Anti-vaxers and those who share their propaganda should be prosecuted for creating public health hazards
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    Lol no they didnt, they died in mass numbers. It was only until the advent of vaccines and antibiotics that people started living longer which caused our population boom.
    They forget about series pandemics that happened in recent human history, like the spanish flu in 1918 which killed tens of millions of people world wide. Or the Flu pandemic in 1957 which killed over a million people.
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    So the first hospital she went to told her to go home your faking it when she came in apparently paralyzed from the neck down? Sounds legit

    Do these people come from all around to be interviewed inside an anti-vaxxers RV or are these all people from the same RV park community?
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    Imagine thinking that one example of a woman being seriously injured by a flu shot because her body reacted in a way that hasn't been seen before means that vaccines are dangerous and doctors don't understand them.

    Seriously, wtf is the logic here?
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    Hm I never heard this, can I get a source? From all accounts, viruses dont just "vanish" overtime unless there is direct intervention, and nothing had been done to combat polio until the vaccine was invented by Salk.
    He's full of ****. The polio vaccine was researched and created because of the polio epidemic. There's slums in India that are horrible conditions that had polio until a decade or two ago, but once the vaccine was introduced there, new diagnoses of polio went away.
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    Originally Posted by bLinkMoore View Post
    Imagine thinking that one example of a woman being seriously injured by a flu shot because her body reacted in a way that hasn't been seen before means that vaccines are dangerous and doctors don't understand them.

    Seriously, wtf is the logic here?
    It's like knowing someone with a severe peanut allergy and because they go into anaphylactic shock from peanuts then that means noone should eat peanuts.
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    Originally Posted by mp83 View Post
    Last year, there was a woman who was supposedly paralyze by a flu vaccine.

    Turns out, she was faking it and anti-vax groups were made to look like the idiots they are. I bet this woman is faking, too. There's no ingredients in a flu vaccine that could cause paralysis.

    Anti-vaxers and those who share their propaganda should be prosecuted for creating public health hazards
    I remember another fake story where a girl claimed a vaccine prevented her from walking forward and that she can only walk backwards
    https://youtu.be/5xbXe2fyBp8

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    The pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine did injure/kill quite a few kids.

    The firm I work for at one time had handled more vaccine injury claims in US Claims Court than any other firm in the nation.

    See:

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...sation_Program
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    I remember another fake story where a girl claimed a vaccine prevented her from walking forward and that she can only walk backwards
    https://youtu.be/5xbXe2fyBp8

    I feel her pain... I got the flu shot and now I can't turn left...

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    LOL @ this garbage.

    Luckily more states are realizing the threat of unvaccinated lunatics walking around and are taking aggressive action to counter this trend.

    https://www.scpr.org/news/2019/02/28...al-to-vaccina/

    It is true that the flu shot isn't 100% effective, but even in cases where it isn't, it significantly reduces the intensity of the flu. I've been getting it for the last 4-5 years and haven't had the flu in that period (used to occasionally get the flu before then).
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