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**** the numbers. Get to a respectable body fat and post about that. It's easy to talk, but when it comes to actually doing the damn thing, it's a lot harder than it sounds.

Get bigger, genetics are genetics. Sculpt a physique and worry about the insignificant worries later.

Who cares, it's too high. Focus on getting leaner.

This is pretty simple to do whilst enhanced.

Js.

But that's evil and taboo. Which isn't how bodybuilding works.

Hey the gang is here now

Omw to the gym brahhs

Edit* lol

Of course I'm taking a stance, but I believe you misinterpreted the stance I was approaching at the time.

This was not a question in which to bash IIFYM from, though I later clarified that above,...

No, no, no.... lol. Not a concrete thought at all. You finally gave me the answer I was looking to see if you knew and you seem to have a general idea, though haven't grasped the complete thought to...

For anyone reading this, follow IIFYM.

This is just for debate's sake and I found someone who can be debated with on this site. IIFYM is what you should follow, I am in no way bashing it and you...

There will always be a point at which it is measurable, yes you're correct, but at what point does it become unreasonable to equate individual macro intake, especially when the amount of room for...

It's not just insulin. I said insulin as I knew it would be view able still. That is why I referenced lower level NPC/Physique guys in there too. There is a level at which it becomes irrelevant with...

I guess you could say I'm a GSF gawd and I've yet to hear of you tbh, but if you're ever down for serious, friendly chats that aren't allowed around here, you know where to find me.

You're assuming I don't know what I'm talking about, but good luck with your putting words in my mouth goals of 2014.

Insulin was all that was mentioned.

The elitist mentality around here is...

Sweet, I got negged by a non-lifter asking how to pose back muscles.

Anyways, no IIFYM is useless to a "pro" with the additional increase of specific bodybuilding drugs, such as insulin though...

But how much of you is legitimate muscle mass

Grow up and learn to accept criticism.

You really do need to get bigger back muscles, it will help a lot, but the best way I can explain is to point your fingers in the air as if trying to touch the sky and then bring your elbows down...

Why is IIFYM useful to a natural or even possible physique/lower level NPC competitive bodybuilder, but is rendered almost useless to pro level bodybuilders?

Any "one meal plan fits all" or "eat clean" diet is just an excuse to be lazy and not track your macros. Of course you're going to lose weight, you'll be in a deficit. Is it the best, healthiest way...

Oh please. What a pitiful excuse for an argument.