I feel really bad for this guy I know...

[NYRFan68]

Basically about a month or so ago, me, my bro were going to make a supplement order...my bros friend wanted to join in and we ordered a few tubs of size-on... Upon ordering it, I found out that his parents weren't going to let him get it until clearing it with a doc. So the stuff comes in and the kid waits to take it... His doc is on vacation so his parents ask a pharmacist and she tells him he can use it. So he gains about 7 pounds from size-on and eating in about 3 weeks... When he gets home his parents go to their family doctor and she tells them that it may have steroids in it because of the quick weight gain and creatine is bad for your kidneys. His doc also says that the doc that I see isn't a real sports doctor and possibly a chiropractor (which is just plain stupid)...So at this point its extremely doubtful he can continue and things look like they couldn't possibly get any worse...but it does. His parents then take him to some random "specialist" who says creatine causes kidney problems and that he should stop taking whey because who knows what the companies put in them and it can damage kidneys... So to sum things up, now he can use neither whey not creatine...
I'm so happy I don't have to deal with this kinda ****.

[Naven]

Hm, too bad, and we all know how safe pharmaceutical drugs are.

[TarheelMBS]

Yeah but whey and creatine in high doeseages and if aren't cycled properly can cause kidney damage.

[LJ57]

Yeah but whey and creatine in high doeseages and if aren't cycled properly can cause kidney damage.

Whey and creatine don't need to be cycled.

[Death From Above]

youre 19 and he is how old?

[TarheelMBS]

Creatine does need to be cycled to keep optimal kidney function and health where it needs to be. Steroids don't NEED to be cycled either but they SHOULD be if you enjoy things like healthy liver function and a functioning endocrine system.

[NYRFan68]

youre 19 and he is how old?

18

[Death From Above]

18

are you not an adult when youre 18 in canada?

[Hammy907]

that sucks. It's too bad that doctors will slander anything that they aren't getting paid to prescribe. But in reality, look at what they are prescribing to their patients; medications which will lead you onto further medications. And they say what they prescribe is safer? It's just part of a shameless life that some (doctors) choose to live.

[NYRFan68]

are you not an adult when youre 18 in canada?

yeah...but he is living under his parents roof.

[TarheelMBS]

that sucks. It's too bad that doctors will slander anything that they aren't getting paid to prescribe. But in reality, look at what they are prescribing to their patients; medications which will lead you onto further medications. And they say what they prescribe is safer? It's just part of a shameless life that some (doctors) choose to live.

True but its your doc's job to keep you healthy not to get you big. If he has even the least amount of question regarding a supp. its his ethical duty to RECOMMEND (again recommend not dictate) what products he believes are completly safe and those that he believes not to be.

[rizzog466]

Screw it maybe his parents would like it better if he picked up a nice drug habit instead of doing something good for his body.

[MoonMan12]

Yeah but whey and creatine in high doeseages and if aren't cycled properly can cause kidney damage.

Time to step out of the supplement section for a while.

Water in high dosages can cause damage as well...

[MattyH7688]

Yeah but whey and creatine in high doeseages and if aren't cycled properly can cause kidney damage.

show me one scientific study of this please

[Skigazzi]

This thread does not deliver.

[MoonMan12]

show me one scientific study of this please

Notice he saved himself with the "in high dosages". Good thing we have so many "experts" in this section.

[cap10raygun]

yeah...but he is living under his parents roof.

Either he's going to have to wait until he moves out or he can take advantage of his parents and ask them to buy him a whole bunch of food.

[TarheelMBS]

I continually get questioned on this and have continually answered the same. Side effects from creatine and whey products are rare but at the same time VERY POSSIBLE. There have been numerous studies that have shown kidney function suffer from not taking or cycling creatine correctly. Anything you put in your body your body has to process. Most things in a pill and powder form are processed through your kidneys at one point or another. Take too much tylenol and see what your liver does. Take too much naproxen and see how your kidney's react. Same principal applies to Supplements. If I went and downed my WHOLE BOTTLE OF ORANGE TRIAD. Pretty sure my body wouldn't respond positively.
Yes we get creatine in meats but not 10grams of it. There is no possible way to get that amount from just eating meat alone. YOU'de be eating red meat all day long.
The term "Everything in Moderation" applies to supplements too. So by his doctor saying creatine and protein can cause kidney damage he's right and wrong. But with only two kidneys you should always air on the side of caution. Get blood work done (as I do every 3 months) and see how your body handles it.

[TarheelMBS]

Notice he saved himself with the "in high dosages". Good thing we have so many "experts" in this section.

Yeah go for it man you know you have two kidneys whats losing one??
Ive got the blood work and kidney function papers to PROOVE a difference and fluctuation in kidney function from supplementation. Just as most people taking AAS see a change in REd blood cell count.

[TarheelMBS]

Screw it maybe his parents would like it better if he picked up a nice drug habit instead of doing something good for his body.

True that.

[jules_d1]

Ask the doctors/parents to show them a study where creatine in the amounts he is taking has caused damage.

While you're at it, you find some studies showing that there is no problem with it. You cant argue the facts.

[extremenergy3]

Ask the doctors/parents to show them a study where creatine in the amounts he is taking has caused damage.

While you're at it, you find some studies showing that there is no problem with it. You cant argue the facts.

Smart man.

[TarheelMBS]

Ask the doctors/parents to show them a study where creatine in the amounts he is taking has caused damage.

While you're at it, you find some studies showing that there is no problem with it. You cant argue the facts.

Key word being amounts.............Just tell your boy to play it safe. Explain that there are worst supplements he could be taking and he's responsible enough to be open and honest about what he wants to do and how he's doing it. As well as he's mature enough to regulate what and how much he puts in his body in a responsible and safe fashion.

[TarheelMBS]

This is a great study to use it talks about creatine being used in athletes with safe and desierable results. Tell him to check it out. Just google the phrase below and check out that study. Good luck

The American College of Sports Medicine Roundtable on the physiological
and health effects of oral creatine supplementation.

[MattyH7688]

I continually get questioned on this and have continually answered the same. Side effects from creatine and whey products are rare but at the same time VERY POSSIBLE. There have been numerous studies that have shown kidney function suffer from not taking or cycling creatine correctly. Anything you put in your body your body has to process. Most things in a pill and powder form are processed through your kidneys at one point or another. Take too much tylenol and see what your liver does. Take too much naproxen and see how your kidney's react. Same principal applies to Supplements. If I went and downed my WHOLE BOTTLE OF ORANGE TRIAD. Pretty sure my body wouldn't respond positively.
Yes we get creatine in meats but not 10grams of it. There is no possible way to get that amount from just eating meat alone. YOU'de be eating red meat all day long.
The term "Everything in Moderation" applies to supplements too. So by his doctor saying creatine and protein can cause kidney damage he's right and wrong. But with only two kidneys you should always air on the side of caution. Get blood work done (as I do every 3 months) and see how your body handles it.

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[TarheelMBS]

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There is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine, although there are reports of kidney damage, such as interstitial nephritis. Patients with kidney disease should avoid use of this supplement. Similarly, liver function may be altered, and caution is advised in those with underlying liver disease
Has your friend been tested for kidney disease??? My nephrologist (KIDNEY SPECIALIST/DOC) believes there is a link in kidney inflamation in people with normal kidney function as well. My blood work certainly suggest so and I have yet to be diagnosed with any kidney disease as well.
BOTTOM LINE is FOR MOST PEOPLE creatine used in a manner that's safe will be effective and safe but for people to say his doctor is wrong about it risking kidney damage may be a stretch. Nothing wrong with airing on the side of caution.

[MattyH7688]

There is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine, although there are reports of kidney damage, such as interstitial nephritis. Patients with kidney disease should avoid use of this supplement. Similarly, liver function may be altered, and caution is advised in those with underlying liver disease
Has your friend been tested for kidney disease??? My nephrologist (KIDNEY SPECIALIST/DOC)

stop talking out of your ass please

dont say ohhh so many studies when you cant back up a word you say

you are like a friggen politician

[TarheelMBS]

that is his doc's job.

[TarheelMBS]

lol, I'm a political science major.

[BuckeyeMuscle]

Creatine does need to be cycled to keep optimal kidney function and health where it needs to be. Steroids don't NEED to be cycled either but they SHOULD be if you enjoy things like healthy liver function and a functioning endocrine system.

LMAO....you're an idiot

lol, I'm a political science major.

Obviously