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08-16-2012, 08:19 PM #1
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If I want to run faster should I squat heavy low reps or light high reps?
-Some people say good things come to those who wait, truth is, good things come to those who work..... who work later.....who work harder...... who are willing to go further than anyone else to get them. If you're waiting for good things to come to you, you'll be waiting for a pretty long time.
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08-16-2012, 08:31 PM #2
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Faster meaning what? 100m sprint? 5k? Really depends what you mean by "faster." For short distances you need burst and acceleration, so definitively work on power and overall strength, so lower reps, higher weights. If you are talking longer distances, then higher reps for sure.
Also work in accessory work along with the squats like weighted lunges, leg curls, and leg extensions.
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08-16-2012, 08:37 PM #3
- Join Date: May 2011
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-Some people say good things come to those who wait, truth is, good things come to those who work..... who work later.....who work harder...... who are willing to go further than anyone else to get them. If you're waiting for good things to come to you, you'll be waiting for a pretty long time.
-I'd rather live life saying "I failed" than "I could have"
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08-16-2012, 08:42 PM #4
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08-16-2012, 10:18 PM #5
Heavy squats, deadlifts, power cleans are good for explosiveness, sled push/pull if you have access. There are some great exercises with resistance bands you could also do. Any core strength is important as well so work abs. Plyo is awesome for speed and power too, so try some box jumps and stuff like that. keep reps under 6-8 if you want short bursts of speed like a 100m sprint or 40 yd dash. Hope this helps man.
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08-16-2012, 10:44 PM #6
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08-16-2012, 10:55 PM #7
Get one of those cd's that have the beeps which have a shorter spread with each beep. You'll start with a beep and sprint maybe 10 yrds and back before it beeps again. Each time it gets faster and eventually you won't be able to keep up. Judge improvement by how many times you can make it back and forth. It is an amazing work out and will do wonders for exploding off the start because that's all that it is!
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08-17-2012, 12:32 AM #8
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08-17-2012, 06:36 AM #16
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08-17-2012, 07:00 AM #17
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08-17-2012, 07:09 AM #18
You need to be strong to run fast. Speed is determined by stride length and stride frequency. To maximize your stride length, you need to increase your strength and minimize body fat. (That is why heavier NFL players do not run 4.4 40s because of excess weight.) Plyometrics will help increase your stride frequency.
What I stated is common knowledge in the sprinting world so please don't dispute it without citing references. I am not interested in your opinion.
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08-17-2012, 07:57 AM #19
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08-17-2012, 08:10 AM #23
It allows one to push off the ground with more force which will obviously increase one's stride length. This is one of the reason's that make Usain Bolt fast. He takes 41 strides in the 100m where most other runners take 43.
I suggest you watch a 100m sprint to see what I am talking about. Also, take a look at the size of the runners posterior chain. They get that way from squatting.
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08-17-2012, 08:12 AM #24
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08-17-2012, 08:19 AM #25
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08-17-2012, 08:23 AM #26
No. These methods have been completely debunked (parachutes, weighted vests, sleds). What they have found is that variations in weight alter your natural gait, which then trains a different set of motor patterns and ultimately isn't of much use to someone interested in speed. These MAY have some use in terms of football players as they do run encumbered by pads and against resistance in the form of potential tacklers. Still, the best practice there would seem to be A) running in pads and B) playing the game to become used to tackling situations.
All Olympic sprinters (college, high school, etc) ALSO spend a sh!t ton of time working on the mechanics of sprinting. Starting block work, acceleration in 5-15 yard runs, etc all play a MUCH more important role in racing than squats. Proof? Well, take two kids out and time them in a 100. Doesn't matter what their times are initially. Then, work on squats with one, and sprint the other. Who do you think will make a greater improvement? If squats were as important (or a major contributing factor), then you would see improvement in sprint times. I'll wager you will see no significant improvement in someone that squats. At a high level, there may be compelling reasons to squat a sprinter for general health and fitness reasons. Even in those situations, you aren't going to squat them the same way as a a powerlifter or a bodybuilder. The outcomes of those methods don't support sprinting.
I agree that you need to be strong to be fast. Your power generation must accelerate and move your body... but most people are adequately strong to accomplish this without heavy squats. While body mass plays a role, the determining factor is power production to weight ratios. So long as the ratio is equal, two individuals with varying body mass will still accelerate and sprint at the same speed. Just dropping mass isn't the issue. Obviously large amounts of bodyfat don't contribute to power production and drive down the ratio, but don't assume that a big man can't move. Most college/NFL linemen post very impressive times in the 40. Not wide receiver levels of speed, but a good bit better than 99% of the population with far less body mass. Again, the key is power production to mass ratios, not mass alone.
While I agree that stride length and foot turnover are key factors in sprinting, neither of these issues are determined or effected by strength. Stride will specifically be a factor of leg length. Foot turnover will be determined by the ability of the athlete to efficiently move in terms of how quickly they can apply force and then inhibit that force production (relax). This same issue plays out in any sport where quick movement is key, such as boxing, MMA, Oly lifting, etc. The items I'm mentioning are common knowledge in the world of sports performance.GoRuck Challenge Journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=150446113
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." -Edmund Burke
"Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also." -Marcus Aurelius
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08-17-2012, 08:27 AM #27
Pushing off with max force production means nothing if you can't quickly recover and do it again. Strength isn't determining stride length. If this argument were valid, then A) Usain bolt would be the strongest sprinter, and B) great sprinters would look like they were taking off for a triple jump because length of stride would matter.
Bolt v Powell comparisons in height would be irrelevant if leg length was what you needed to figure out. Find measurements on bolt's inseam compared to the rest of the field. That would be a metric worth evaluating.GoRuck Challenge Journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=150446113
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." -Edmund Burke
"Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also." -Marcus Aurelius
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08-17-2012, 08:32 AM #28
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08-17-2012, 08:32 AM #29
Certainly agree with you about mechanics but the OP was asking about squats so my responses were in that direction.
I disagree about stride length because 2 people of equal height and weight will have different stride lengths.
Here is link to an article by Kelly Baggett. He is well respected in the vertical jump and sprinting world.
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/speedtraining.html
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08-17-2012, 08:35 AM #30
First off, this is a completely retarded conversation. In about 15 seconds worth of Google searching, I found the following information regarding stride length...
"Stride Length
Stride length must be proportional to the leg's length (not that the bigger is good). It's an inaccurate idea recommending male sprinters to run the 100m in 45 strides. Take a look at relevancy and check out on Tim Montgomery 9.78 sec / 48 strides, Walter Dix (9.92s / 48s), Kim Collin (9.98s / 48s), Michael Frater (9.97s / 48s), Trindon Holliday (relatively short sprinter, 5'4", 10.00s / 50s) and many more. Usain Bolt took 41 strides in Berlin (9.58s) but he is 6"5 and has longer legs.
Best example Trindon Holliday & Walter Dix won the 2007 World Championship slots with 50-51 and 49-50 total strides respectively: Trindon Holliday 10.00s / 50.5 strides (2009 NCAA Championship - Gold) here (video not included)
Topic of stride length VS frequency is HOT in sprinting! Research have shown that optimal stride length for maximal speed in sprinting is usually between 2.3 – 2.5 times of the athlete’s leg length. So athletes who have 1.0 m leg length may take a maximum 2.50 m stride length at maximal speed, and you don't really need to match Usain Bolt's 2.8 m average stride's length!.
When athletes trying to take longer stride results in reduced in turnover or leg speed. Remember, overstriding creates a decelerative force and slows movement. Improvements in stride length and frequency must happen by making adjustments in overall mechanics and force production.
I would recommend those athletes (with 1.0 m leg's length) NOT to take the maximal stride length that suggested in scientific researches. Why? to sprint faster. The best example would be Ben Johnson (1.78m tall) who added his total's stride frequency from 45 in 1987 World Champs to 46 during the 1988 Olympics, which then enabled him to run 9.79s (despite of slowing down at 95m). Even Tim Montgomery (same height 1.78m) took shorter stride length (48) when he broke Maurice Greene's World record with a time of 9.78s in 2002.
It's clear that world class male sprinters (sub 10.10s) took 41 to 50 strides (not necessarily 45) to cover the whole 100m distances, which is basically dependent on a sprinter's leg length. It's all about to make sure that you running with a proper sprinting mechanics and thus an efficient and faster running can be achieved." http://www.adriansprints.com/2011/03...e-charlie.html
There... I'm not an expert on sprinting, but I understand movement and this all makes perfect sense to me. Now, Jimbo, please stop talking about things you know nothing about... much as you have accused others of doing.GoRuck Challenge Journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=150446113
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." -Edmund Burke
"Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also." -Marcus Aurelius
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