Carbs vs Fat

[kulex]

Just a curious question,
I'm currently eating a diet (working for me quite well)
that consists of 240g protein 265g carbs 35g fat
I'm looking for some opinions as I know this isn't a 40/40/20 split as I usually shoot for (and never obtain)
I can make a slight change to my diet (not atm as it's working well now, but later perhaps)
to make it 232g protein 240g carbs and 50g fat which is almost a 40/40/20 split

My question is really just this, Would you personally rather have a diet with a little bit higher number in the carbs and a little lower fat OR
sacrifice a few carbs and increase your fat. I'm rather curious what people's opinion on that matter is.

[ParsonBrown]

Your fat intake is very low. You need fat for hormone regulation etc. If it were me I would at least triple the fat intake in your diet.

BUT...read the stickies to learn how to put together your entire diet together.

[Calebyeah]

Definitely increase fat, Dont be scared, eating fat doesnt mean you'll put it on

[kulex]

I Definately understand the necessity of needing fats, and I don't think by adding them I'll just get fat. Just mainly more curious than anything.

[harebearva]

Yes, don't fear the fat. I do between 80 and 90 a day. as long as meets your daily caloric total. Like parson said, read the sticky's and figure protein first, then fat then carbs fill in the gaps. Hope this helps

[WonderPug]

Please see: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=121703981

[andrerox80]

1. the fat vs carbs thing is personal preference. i'm more of a carbs person, but a lot of people feel more satieted w/ higher fat and/or find that more carbs increase cravings for even more carbs.
2. this point is moot b/c you need a ton more fat. at least .4 g / lb.
3. 40/40/20 is crap. ratios are meaningless. read the sticky on calculating cals and macro's for more on this and what you should be aiming for.

[kulex]

1. the fat vs carbs thing is personal preference. i'm more of a carbs person, but a lot of people feel more satieted w/ higher fat and/or find that more carbs increase cravings for even more carbs.
2. this point is moot b/c you need a ton more fat. at least .4 g / lb.
3. 40/40/20 is crap. ratios are meaningless. read the sticky on calculating cals and macro's for more on this and what you should be aiming for.

Well if I were to get .4 g/lb as a minimum that'd be 94g x9 846 calories of a 2330 calorie diet 36.3%
If I get 1-1.5g/lb of Protein that'd be 235g-352.5g x4 940-1410 40.3-60.5%
Leaving only 544-74 Calories left to devote to Carbs which is only 136g-18.5g carbs or 23.3%-3.2%

I'm not a rocket scientist or anything, but I'm pretty sure my body needs a whole lot more than 3.2-23.3% Carbohydrates to operate correctly
BUT Regardless it surely doesn't need a diet that is 36.3% FAT, that's ludicrous.

[Rambo26]

Well if I were to get .4 g/lb as a minimum that'd be 94g x9 846 calories of a 2330 calorie diet 36.3%
If I get 1-1.5g/lb of Protein that'd be 235g-352.5g x4 940-1410 40.3-60.5%
Leaving only 544-74 Calories left to devote to Carbs which is only 136g-18.5g carbs or 23.3%-3.2%

I'm not a rocket scientist or anything, but I'm pretty sure my body needs a whole lot more than 3.2-23.3% Carbohydrates to operate correctly
BUT Regardless it surely doesn't need a diet that is 36.3% FAT, that's ludicrous.

strong assumptions

[SDC77]

You don't need much fat for hormone regulation. While your intake is definitely on the low side, it isn't that big of a deal. I prefer an overall fat intake of 15% - 20%.

[andrerox80]

You don't need much fat for hormone regulation. While your intake is definitely on the low side, it isn't that big of a deal. I prefer an overall fat intake of 15% - 20%.

what? in what world is 35 g of fat for a 235 lb person just "on the low side" and not "that big of a deal"? dude, at least .4 g / lb.

[kulex]

what? in what world is 35 g of fat for a 235 lb person just "on the low side" and not "that big of a deal"? dude, at least .4 g / lb.

did you even bother to do the math on that one(or read my post...), I'm not going to eat a diet consisting of 36.3% fat, that's really wrong.

[parkmad]

I am really new to this, but as suggested please read the stickies. Even if you put some stock in ratios, your calculations won't be the same if you truly assess your requirements for daily caloric intake and macros, meaning it won't be 36%. A 2330 calorie plan for your weight is too low. I am 6'2" and less than 150lbs (yes, I am starting a bulk, 1st time) and I can cut on 2200 calories and lose more than a 1lb a week.

For a generic answer to your question, personally, I find that while fats consume a higher portion of calories, they are not as filling as carbs for me. However, I still target 75g a day (0.5g) and still have enough grams for carbs even with a 1.5g/lb of protein target.

[serenity45]

1g protein per lb bodyweight .4g fat per lb bodyweight and fill the rest with carbs. Thats just a general standard.

[kulex]

I am really new to this, but as suggested please read the stickies. Even if you put some stock in ratios, your calculations won't be the same if you truly assess your requirements for daily caloric intake and macros, meaning it won't be 36%. A 2330 calorie plan for your weight is too low. I am 6'2" and less than 150lbs (yes, I am starting a bulk, 1st time) and I can cut on 2200 calories and lose more than a 1lb a week.

For a generic answer to your question, personally, I find that while fats consume a higher portion of calories, they are not as filling as carbs for me. However, I still target 75g a day (0.5g) and still have enough grams for carbs even with a 1.5g/lb of protein target.

I think it's great that you can lose a lb/week on 2200 calories (first off that's not my goal, mine happens to be 2lbs/week) that doesn't mean Anything as far as my metabolism goes. I wasn't asking for a critique on my diet plan, I was only asking for personal opinions on carbs vs fats, and just gave a little bit of background to even out the story.
On your diet ratios, 75g/day x 9 = 675 and 1.5g protein/lb you weigh 150 lbs = 225g x4 = 900 calories, If you were to be cutting on 2200 calories as you said you were able to. These would be your ratios.
Fat 30.6 Protein 40.9 Carbs 28.4 That's fine and dandy. That shows me that your personal preference is to forgo some Carbs and eat Fats instead, basic mathematics. That's the kind of answer I was looking for , personal opinion on preference.

[kulex]

You don't need much fat for hormone regulation. While your intake is definitely on the low side, it isn't that big of a deal. I prefer an overall fat intake of 15% - 20%.

Thank you, I appreciate your opinion.

[parkmad]

Sorry if I made some assumptions about your plan....if you found something that works, great. Guidelines are guidelines and the best thing is to pay attention and figure out what your body needs.

Actually, my personal preference (target) is to keep the protein intake high as that for me reduces cravings. I eat carbs/fat to keep from going bonkers because I can only go so long without a pbj sandwich, or ice cream, or a biscuit, or french toast.

[kulex]

Sorry if I made some assumptions about your plan....if you found something that works, great. Guidelines are guidelines and the best thing is to pay attention and figure out what your body needs.

Actually, my personal preference (target) is to keep the protein intake high as that for me reduces cravings. I eat carbs/fat to keep from going bonkers because I can only go so long without a pbj sandwich, or ice cream, or a biscuit, or french toast.

No prob,high protein is very good, I would love to eat those things again, but those are only options on my 1 cheat day/month =) this month's day is already slated for a pizza =).

[SDC77]

what? in what world is 35 g of fat for a 235 lb person just "on the low side" and not "that big of a deal"? dude, at least .4 g / lb.

Says who. Dude.