Did a cycle of Tren/epi with Nolva PCT, now i need help!

[darkscythe69]

Here's my cycle:

1-4 weeks epi 20/20/30/40
3-7 weeks x-tren /60/60/90/120

of course I was talking cycle support and all the goodies you take while on cycle.

PCT:

weeks 1-4 nolva: 40/30/20/10
weeks 1-4 Inhibit-E tapered up: 1/2/3/3

ok I just finished PCT about 5 days ago, the problem is I have no F***ing libido and im starting to feel a little depressed. I know that libido is important because of a number of things, namely this is a direct representation of the health of your natural test production.

What should I do?

*I know in the future I am going to run cycles differently and yes I will do even more research before doing a cycle like this.*

I know my HPTA is recovering because I've regained size in nuts since the start of my pct... but still libido is low.

I should also point out I've been trying to take"Testo Jack" by NOw vitamins(2 caps/day) to restore my libido, but with very little effect.

I have a spare bottle of Activate Xtreme I got a while back...


-please don't question my stupidity or anything of the sort, if you don't care about helping me please don't flame me, or encourage others too-

[THEHUGE]

Tamoxifen and ATD are both known libido killer. You've discontinued both now, right?

[style41]

Here's my cycle:

1-4 weeks epi 20/20/30/40
3-7 weeks x-tren /60/60/90/120

of course I was talking cycle support and all the goodies you take while on cycle.

PCT:

weeks 1-4 nolva: 40/30/20/10
weeks 1-4 Inhibit-E tapered up: 1/2/3/3

ok I just finished PCT about 5 days ago, the problem is I have no F***ing libido and im starting to feel a little depressed. I know that libido is important because of a number of things, namely this is a direct representation of the health of your natural test production.

What should I do?

*I know in the future I am going to run cycles differently and yes I will do even more research before doing a cycle like this.*

I know my HPTA is recovering because I've regained size in nuts since the start of my pct... but still libido is low.

I should also point out I've been trying to take"Testo Jack" by NOw vitamins(2 caps/day) to restore my libido, but with very little effect.

I have a spare bottle of Activate Xtreme I got a while back...


-please don't question my stupidity or anything of the sort, if you don't care about helping me please don't flame me, or encourage others too-

tren + epi = pct nolva + clomid..... and for the libido sustain alpha liqua

[THEHUGE]

tren + epi = pct nolva + clomid..... and for the libido sustain alpha liqua

Again this serm+serm nonsense....

[darkscythe69]

Tamoxifen and ATD are both known libido killer. You've discontinued both now, right?

yes I have, does this mean libidi will naturally come back?

Anything I should take to speed this process up?

Again this serm+serm nonsense....

I know that now... did you mean AI+SERM nonsense?

[LiftHardOrDie22]

You had an interesting dosing scheme going on there... tren all the way to 120 for the last week.

Im on day 10 of my tren/epi cycle right now. But I'm dosing at 30 and 90 throughout the 4 weeks.

[THEHUGE]

yes I have, does this mean libidi will naturally come back?

Yes.
Please tell me you didn't use some liquid reasearch crap.

I know that now... did you mean AI+SERM nonsense?

Nope, I mean serm+serm nonsense(as per the above poster's reccomendation).

[put5onyo]

Yes.
Please tell me you didn't use some liquid reasearch crap.

This was going to be my question.


An ATD only PCT after that cycle would not be enough to do anything.

[THEHUGE]

This was going to be my question.


An ATD only PCT after that cycle would not be enough to do anything.

Exactly. You can't rely on the quality of that stuff and ATD has no place in any pct IMO.

[csabatka1]

Go to a doctor and get bloodwork done if you're worried about it. Might not be test related and you have something else going on.

[darkscythe69]

So you guys think I should run the activate xtreme?

A lot of people have told me that this cycle with that PCT would just shut you down pretty hard, to get on a test booster ASAP

people have recommended T-bol...

[namean]

Again this serm+serm nonsense....

lulz

[ryanr623]

So you guys think I should run the activate xtreme?

A lot of people have told me that this cycle with that PCT would just shut you down pretty hard, to get on a test booster ASAP

people have recommended T-bol...

We need an answer to the question of "was it research chems" (liquid nolva)

[rc121]

Go to a doctor and get bloodwork done if you're worried about it. Might not be test related and you have something else going on.

this x2 (the getting bloodwork part)

[TunaBreath]

Again this serm+serm nonsense....

It works. Not nonsense.

[Honkey_Kong]

Again this serm+serm nonsense....

It works. Not nonsense.

What would be the point in stacking two SERMs? And I mean I want an actual legit answer, not some broscience response.

[firasnas]

What would be the point in stacking two SERMs? And I mean I want an actual legit answer, not some broscience response.

Whats your LEGIT answer not some broscience response to not using a nolva clomid pct ? Tested , works and is a great pct, maybe check up on some forums that actualy know a thing or two about PHs, AAS.

[Honkey_Kong]

Whats your LEGIT answer not some broscience response to not using a nolva clomid pct ? Tested , works and is a great pct, maybe check up on some forums that actualy know a thing or two about PHs, AAS.

Who tested and proved that it is more effective than using one SERM? I want to see an actual credible report that stacking nolva and clomid together would be more effective than just taking one or the other. Without that, you have no proof. And IF there is a legit benefit to using two SERMs stacked at the same time, I might want to do that. But just because some ****er was like "hey I bet you could recover twice as fast if you stack the SERMS" doesn't mean it will.

[pharaoh7]

I would say this is typical.
Atd and nolvadex are both absolute libido killers. Nolvadex has a very long half life so it will take a good 2-3 weeks until you start getting libido back.

No problems with erections right? A lot of people misunderstand what libido acctually means.

[TunaBreath]

Who tested and proved that it is more effective than using one SERM? I want to see an actual credible report that stacking nolva and clomid together would be more effective than just taking one or the other. Without that, you have no proof. And IF there is a legit benefit to using two SERMs stacked at the same time, I might want to do that. But just because some ****er was like "hey I bet you could recover twice as fast if you stack the SERMS" doesn't mean it will.

Nolvadex for its gynecomastia protection and cholesterol benefits.

Clomid for its benefit of getting the HPTA going.

BB.com is not the place to go for PCT information. Everybody here pimps these worthless herbal test boosters for PCT.

[deadsheepmill]

Whats your LEGIT answer not some broscience response to not using a nolva clomid pct ? Tested , works and is a great pct, maybe check up on some forums that actualy know a thing or two about PHs, AAS.

Because you advocate it, I must assume you've done it as well as a number of PH's etc.

Looking at your avatar and stats, I'm thinking it didn't work so well?

One would think an effective cycle with a good pct would yield noticeable results...

[ZachSmash]

[darkscythe69]

Because you advocate it, I must assume you've done it as well as a number of PH's etc.

Looking at your avatar and stats, I'm thinking it didn't work so well?

One would think an effective cycle with a good pct would yield noticeable results...

Oh, haha i haven't updated my stats in over a year i think.

The cycle went awesome actually,

I went from around 240 lbs with some bodyfat I don't know how much to around 220lbs very lean.

Strength at around week 3 was wayyy through the roof (225x8 at the beginning at week 3 225x23) and all they way up. My strength is still up.

I lost a lot of bodyweight to do other issues, not medically related, so I kept strength while losing a lot of BF%

"I would say this is typical.
Atd and nolvadex are both absolute libido killers. Nolvadex has a very long half life so it will take a good 2-3 weeks until you start getting libido back.

No problems with erections right? A lot of people misunderstand what libido acctually means."

Well without going into too much details, I no desire for sex at all... no morning wood... If i do force myself to get an erection, once it's up, its good to go.


I think Im going to try T-bol, if that doesnt work im going to see my doctor and get bloodwork done

[firasnas]

Because you advocate it, I must assume you've done it as well as a number of PH's etc.

Looking at your avatar and stats, I'm thinking it didn't work so well?

One would think an effective cycle with a good pct would yield noticeable results...

Being 35 years old and replying with this comment makes me feel sorry for you. Anyways ive only done one ph and no sides so iam happy. Second of all i compete in sports (mma) and fight at 170 , walk around at 185; So my goal is not to bulk up more. And lastly i garuntee i lift more then u So go on mr 35 year old that was a good comeback though.

No one is telling you to follow this pct this is imo, works for me and many others who run this pct with any ph, Your old enough son you can make your own desions about what pct to run.

[style41]

The best PCT for TREN and EPI

Nolva : 20/20/10/10 for its gynecomastia protection

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Clomid : 50/50/25/25 for its benefit of getting the HPTA

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Sustain alpha liqua : 10ml / day for the Libido

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Endoamp Max : one scoop / day for the Cortisol

[CodyK7]

We need an answer to the question of "was it research chems" (liquid nolva)

why does that matter?

[DanND33]

The best PCT for TREN and EPI

Nolva : 20/20/10/10 for its gynecomastia protection

+

Clomid : 50/50/25/25 for its benefit of getting the HPTA

+

Sustain alpha liqua : 10ml / day for the Libido

+

Endoamp Max : one scoop / day for the Cortisol

nolva AND clomid both provide gyno protection AND HPTA restart.... clomid just restarts the HPTA faster than Nolva and nolva is better at gyno protection....

its more of a preference thing I think on which one you run but running them together is a waste of money IMO

[BiGToMCaT28]

People on this website are idiots, if you need advice regarding PCT go to a real board, with real bodybuilders, not children and weekend warriors.

[DanND33]

People on this website are idiots, if you need advice regarding PCT go to a real board, with real bodybuilders, not children and weekend warriors.

PHF is a good one to go to

[style41]

People on this website are idiots, if you need advice regarding PCT go to a real board, with real bodybuilders, not children and weekend warriors.

bodybuilders....lol You make laugh !!!!!!!

You want advice Goes to see one Endocrinologist...................